What do you guys think

[squatzilla]

172 lbs @ 6 ft? 24 yrs old. I believe that you can still gain significant size/strength naturally. Gear should be the 'icing on the cake'.

 

[cartaz]

i eat more than that but just cant get past the weight . i only do cardio twice a week thats playing football (soccer).
i am now considering taking 500 mg/week
200 ml of deca week with armidex .5 hgc through out and nolvadex 2 weeks aftwr last injection. when doing cutting cycle do i do time on/off or carry on training hard eating the same then go for something like winstrol tabs clen i want to get bigger and cut auguss is this a reality or am i being to optimistic.
i really appreciate all advice given to me im not doing it untill i find something that is right for me

 

[squatzilla]

Feel free to pm me about training ideas. Basically, you can get awfully big from SQUATS. More of a power routine as opposed to isolating a bodypart 1x per week. I believe that you can get to 205-210 natural. Eat LOTS of good wholesome natural foods; 5-7 meals per day (shakes count). Not giving you a hard time bro. I'm 40 & believe me, I have an idea of what works & what doesn't.

 

[d_rson]

i eat more than that but just cant get past the weight . i only do cardio twice a week thats playing football (soccer).
i am now considering taking 500 mg/week
200 ml of deca week with armidex .5 hgc through out and nolvadex 2 weeks aftwr last injection. when doing cutting cycle do i do time on/off or carry on training hard eating the same then go for something like winstrol tabs clen i want to get bigger and cut auguss is this a reality or am i being to optimistic.
i really appreciate all advice given to me im not doing it untill i find something that is right for me

I'm not sure you're listening to the advice you're given.

Do Test only. Deca has it's own sides to worry about ESPECIALLY if you don't know what test will do to you - Deca and high amounts of estrogen don't mix, so if you are not well versed in how to control estrogen with exogenous test, then you're in for some problems.

And you are apparently not listening about PCT. Forget about the nolva, there are better PCT products.

As for bulking and cutting, you need to concentrate on one or the other right now. Do you want to do a bulker, a lean gainer, or a cutter? Because in the end, it's all about the diet at that point, as you can do all three with test...

Personally, I think you should continue bulking natty, and even try to cut a little natty, before you do the gear. I don't think you're mindset is correct for jumping on. Guys in your mindset tend to jump on, run crazy cycles, don't come off when they should, try to make the gear do it all, etc. I think you need to figure out what's holding you back from hitting atleast 190lbs @ 10% BF naturally, and then when you plateau at that point you've probably learned enough and got a good routine down enough that AAS can take you to the next level.

However, if you do end up running a cycle, it deffinitely should be a test only cycle, and you need to make up your mind what you're going to run, how long, and stick to it.