what do u guys think of this...???

[eddie1]

This is what Ulter told me regarding gear when i asked how long can i wait until i start my next cycle, on week 3 now of pct and i wanna start again soon.


Time on = time off is arbitrary. It's not based in any science whatsoever.
When you're on your HPTA is shut down. When you come off and do PCT, unlike what many people post, the PCT is NOT to keep your gains. It's to start your HPTA up again and restart your natural test. Okay. So now your 3 weeks into your HPTA running again and your endocrine system is pumping out Test, LH, FSH, and you feel good. Now what? What are you staying off for now? Come on all you people saying to stay off for 12 weeks tell me what you're staying off FOR.
Are you going to tell me, as some post, you're going to clean off your receptors? You're giving your body a rest? A rest from what?
The fact is there is no reason to stay off once you've established that you can get your HPTA back up and running again.

 

[Kachunga]

I think he's right on the money. If your asking for any vets to go against Ulter, you are barking up the wrong tree little doggie.

 

[ben dovergurl]

I think he's right on the money. If your asking for any vets to go against Ulter, you are barking up the wrong tree little doggie.

yea bro..he is like the fuckin guru on this shit..

 

[black sheep]

Once blood test shows I am recovered and everything is normal - I get back on.

 

[solidspine]

When I first started,


I followed time on time off religiously,

followed form,

Sleep,

Diet,

Everything as if I was in the Marines.

I would intentionally be off much longer than on, maybe 3-1, Cycle for 8 weeks, off for 24 weeks,


I was off for about 2 years, stayed in really good shape, lost some, but not a lot of strength,


Now, I am on, and have been on about 6 months, and don’t have any plans to go off, with out another cycle, in mind, purchased and in my house, which means, gear, PCT, AIFM, Needles, Syringes even the friggen alcohol sponges.

The only thing I will purchase during the cycle is a ton of food.

 

[reaper99]

This is what Ulter told me regarding gear when i asked how long can i wait until i start my next cycle, on week 3 now of pct and i wanna start again soon.


Time on = time off is arbitrary. It's not based in any science whatsoever.
When you're on your HPTA is shut down. When you come off and do PCT, unlike what many people post, the PCT is NOT to keep your gains. It's to start your HPTA up again and restart your natural test. Okay. So now your 3 weeks into your HPTA running again and your endocrine system is pumping out Test, LH, FSH, and you feel good. Now what? What are you staying off for now? Come on all you people saying to stay off for 12 weeks tell me what you're staying off FOR.
Are you going to tell me, as some post, you're going to clean off your receptors? You're giving your body a rest? A rest from what?
The fact is there is no reason to stay off once you've established that you can get your HPTA back up and running again.

Well if you already know all this then why ask questions? You seem to have made up your mind so jump back on nobodys's telling you not to. You asked for advice ulter gave it to you but you know what your doing so why listen.

 

[acneman]

reaper i might be wrong but i believe he has advice to get back on and is hesitant to do so


heres a possible different opinion
why jump back on after 3/4 weeks
who besides the top bodybuilders needs to be on 9 months out of the year
not counting hrt which is of couerse a different ball game all together


remember this is not based on any kind of studies or anything but here goes

hpta recovery in my opinion is not complete after a few weeks
while your tes levels may be good and so forth i believe it takes longer to truly be balenced. there might be small variations that may be likely to be missed, that do not normaly cause a problem
also the pct drugs cause an artificial effect on the tes levels and LH and other things
so at that time are you recovered or mearly substituting other drugs for a truly recovered HPTA

so wait
why not?
there is always time to go on again later

if you take a 12 week cycle and do pct for 4 weeks and start another cycle of 12 weeks i feel you are on cycle for 28 weeks
there is no way the pct drugs have cleared in a week showing that you have a recovered, truly recovered, HPTA
thats my opinion
take it for what its worth
and remember there are few studies on self administered gear usage so most of the info you get is supposition and logical progession on theory

so this is my theory "if you err, err on the side of caution"
others will have different theories
it dosent make thier theory less relavant

 

[glover]

Why go to the trouble to start your HPTA up again and restart your natural test, just to get on another cycle. I don't see the point for PCT if your just going to go into another cycle and shut it all down.

Shouldn't PCT be reserved for when you plan on an extended off time?

 

[rakasha681]

Why go to the trouble to start your HPTA up again and restart your natural test, just to get on another cycle. I don't see the point for PCT if your just going to go into another cycle and shut it all down.

Shouldn't PCT be reserved for when you plan on an extended off time?

The PCT is not necessarily to get your HPTA up again, but more so to make sure it CAN start back up again. If your having trouble recovering, and you hop right back into another cycle, your going to have even more problems when you come off that one.

PCT should be reserved for the end of EVERY cycle.

 

[eddie1]

so do u think i should do one week of pct (one week 3 now of nolva @40mg)? for my forth week should i drop the nolva down to 20mg? should i wait at least one week with no pct before i start another cycle or does it matter?
thanks

 

[rakasha681]

so do u think i should do one week of pct (one week 3 now of nolva @40mg)? for my forth week should i drop the nolva down to 20mg? should i wait at least one week with no pct before i start another cycle or does it matter?
thanks

I would finish your whole PCT, but 20mg of nolva should be fine for the last week. Time is relative to alot of different factors.. as many have said before, it really depends if your recovered, some people recover faster then others depending on the cycle you were on. I recall you saying it was 12wks, but dont remember if you said what those 12wks consisted of. After your last week of nolva i would get bloodwork done to make sure everything is A-OK, and if it is, no reason you cant hop right back on.

 

[eddie1]

I would finish your whole PCT, but 20mg of nolva should be fine for the last week. Time is relative to alot of different factors.. as many have said before, it really depends if your recovered, some people recover faster then others depending on the cycle you were on. I recall you saying it was 12wks, but dont remember if you said what those 12wks consisted of. After your last week of nolva i would get bloodwork done to make sure everything is A-OK, and if it is, no reason you cant hop right back on.

I did 12 weeks of test e @500mg

4 weeks tbol @ 40mg
6 weeks var @ 80mg

I cant get blood work done dont have the money b/c im not on insurance at the moment and im a 23 year old college student on my own.

 

[pitbullrocco]

The fact is there is no reason to stay off once you've established that you can get your HPTA back up and running again.

read the bold bro. if you can't get blood tests right now, then how in the fuck are you gonna know "you've established that you can get your HPTA back up and running again."

now, instead of spending the fucking money on your next cycle, go get a goddamn blood test and stop repeating yourself on multiple threads.

or just start the fucking cycle and shut up.

sorry, i'm in a bad mood.

 

[eddie1]

read the bold bro. if you can't get blood tests right now, then how in the fuck are you gonna know "you've established that you can get your HPTA back up and running again."

now, instead of spending the fucking money on your next cycle, go get a goddamn blood test and stop repeating yourself on multiple threads.

or just start the fucking cycle and shut up.

sorry, i'm in a bad mood.

maybe i just want other people opinion besides yours, thats y i keep asking

 

[pitbullrocco]

i hear ya....well good luck bro

don't you have an on-campus clinic ("student health center") that since you're a student there, shit's a lot cheaper? mine did.....and they can probably just bill it on your tuition statement. no??

 

[Mr.Pumped]

It doesn't matter if you have insurance or not. If you go to a doctor-or your own prefferablly- and tell him/her what you need done, they will still authorize the needed work. All they will have to do is bill you and you can make payments. This makes sense since your health should be the main priority. Pitbullrocco may be in a bad mood but he is right!

 

[get456]

I think posting a PM that a well respected vet sent you after you asked him for advice... and then asking what other people think of it, is pretty fucking poor taste IMO He was nice enough to even respond to you with good info to begin with.

thats the only opinion i have for this post

 

[rakasha681]

maybe i just want other people opinion besides yours, thats y i keep asking

Most people are going to agree with pittbull on this one. Basically, what it boils down to, is:
How much is your health worth to you?

Option A: Spend $500(just a random number, hope it doesnt violate the no prices rule) for whole cycle. Finish said cycle and find out something was f'd up and have to undergo months or years of medical care to fix it.

Option B: Spend $200 on the bloodwork, find out everythings good to go, save up for an extra 2 months to get that money back into your original $500, and during those 2 months, work on your diet and training, so when you do, you'll have the best cycle ever. Or you could find out your not recovered, have to wait those 2 months, and still have the best cycle ever.

Personally, my health is priceless to me, so i would take option B every time. But i think the answer your looking for is "Since this was your first cycle(not sure if it is, but sounds like it,) and it was only test/tbol/var, and your only 23, your HPTA should bounce right back, and your probably alot safer getting right back on then say, a 40yo doing the same thing." I'm not endorsing or condoning that answer in any way, but i can tell you alot of us did the same thing in our earlier years, and leared the hard way that bloodwork is a must.

 

[rakasha681]

I think posting a PM that a well respected vet sent you after you asked him for advice... and then asking what other people think of it, is pretty fucking poor taste IMO He was nice enough to even respond to you with good info to begin with.

thats the only opinion i have for this post

It wasnt a PM, it was ulters response to his previous thread. Good point, but if you take 10 vets, ask them the same question, your going to get at least 2 or 3 different answers, if not 10 depending on the question, theres no harm in asking for a second opinion, or 10, especially when your health is concerned.

 

[eddie1]

It wasnt a PM, it was ulters response to his previous thread. Good point, but if you take 10 vets, ask them the same question, your going to get at least 2 or 3 different answers, if not 10 depending on the question, theres no harm in asking for a second opinion, or 10, especially when your health is concerned.

thanks rakasha681. didnt mean to piss anyone off. oh and that was my 5th cycle

 

[NURSEPIMP]

I was a college student running sauce too.

Go to Planned Parenthood. tell them you have no job and no insurance. You want a check up and blood work. Its cheap as hell there. Thats what I did man.
It was less than $50 for blood work.

Oh, dont do the the check where they stick that goddam Qtip in your dick though. Its pretty horrible

Good luck,
-NP

 

[pitbullrocco]

hey yo nursepimp......does the blood tests you get at a planned parenthood go on your medical record? do you know?

 

[NURSEPIMP]

Hmmm, its gonna be on their record.
I dont know if that can be pulled for any reason though.. Its PP, shit is all hardcore confidential.

SO I am not sure. Call and ask. They should know..

Good luck,
NP