What are your favorite compounds for keepable gains?

[MattJS]

I think it would be interesting to see which compounds people attribute most of their long term gains to... To be clear I'm talking about muscle mass gain...

For me its Tren, Nandrolone and Anavar...

I've used Test Tren Masteron Nandrolone Boldenone Dbol Anadrol Winstrol Anavar Epistane Halodrol and MENT, currently on week 3 of primo so too early to say as far as that compound...

 

[dylangemelli]

Primo FOR SURE

 

[louisiana]

Primo!

 

[Arabian]

I just started EQ and hope this will be mine however Dylan has talked me into doing a Primo run in a couple of months so we will see.

 

[stevesmi]

the best way for keepable 'gains' is slow compounds. anything fast is gonna be harder to keep. i would put tren as in the company as the worst for this.. fast gains and when you come off guess what happens?

EQ, primo, anything that is slow building is gonna be good.. i ran deca years ago twice in a year and it permanently changed my body, but i wouldn't recommend it over eq or primo.. we don't know what would of happened had i run primo or EQ instead.

 

[NegroPops]

I think we all know there is a lot more to keeping your gains then just the compound you ran.

I am going to go with Tren.. and here is my logic.

You run a 16 week cycle with Test and EQ. You put on say.. 10 pounds of lean muscle over that time. After PCT, you keep 8 of those pounds. So in 5 months you put on 8 pounds of LBM. I think that is very realistic.

You run a 10 week cycle of Test and Tren. You put on say.. 15 pounds of lean muscle over that time. After PCT, you keep 8 of those pounds. I think that is realistic.

So although you kept the majority of your gains from EQ, and lost around half your gains from Tren.. you still managed to put on the same amount of size. But with Tren you did it in a shorter period of time.

 

[stevesmi]

'gains' is a relative term.

gains could mean a lot of things

it can mean strength, it can mean losing fat, gaining mass, etc etc

a lot of newbs have X goal and they think they can take steroids and magically reach X goal. it doesn't work like that.. you can't wish upon the steroid gods to grant you your wish. one newb wants to use them to lose weight, the other wants to use them to gain weight. i guess if you just wish for what you want it will happen like magic

 

[El Hefe]

^^^ Yeah, I often compare this to a kid walking into a sporting good store, picking up a baseball bat and then asking the clerk "Sir, How many Home Runs does this bat hit? Because I only want a bat that hits 20+ Home Runs".

 

[C0LUMB0]

tren will change your body like nothing else...eat smart and train hard to keep that physique.

 

[Nelson Montana]

"Dramatic change" isn't necessarily "keepable" gains.

For actual solid muscle tissue growth -- Primo.

The reason people don't like Primo is because they're rather believe that 10 pounds of water is more muscle.

Remember -- they are anabolic/androgenic steroids. The androgen makes you stronger and harder, but it's the anabolic quality that builds muscle.

 

[stevesmi]

"Dramatic change" isn't necessarily "keepable" gains.

For actual solid muscle tissue growth -- Primo.

The reason people don't like Primo is because they're rather believe that 10 pounds of water is more muscle.

Remember -- they are anabolic/androgenic steroids. The androgen makes you stronger and harder, but it's the anabolic quality that builds muscle.

i agree 100%

usually newbs with low fitness IQ's believe that its an accomplishment to 'gain' a ton of water/fat.. i would rather gain a few pounds of quality muscle mass with no fat or water which is why primo is the best and the ONLY aas i have ever taken that gave me those results

 

[MattJS]

Sure there's always a lot more to it than the compound used but that's another thread, obviously people develop preferences as far as certain compounds for certain goals... I agree with Negropops on Tren, you might not keep as much, but the gains are so incredible it makes up for it.... I'd rather keep eight of fourteen pounds than six of eight...

Having said that Tren is a harsh compound and even if the short term side effects are tolerable to you as an individual, you have to consider the potential impact on your health from using it often, which is why I'm hoping Primo works out for me...

 

[dylangemelli]

"Dramatic change" isn't necessarily "keepable" gains.

For actual solid muscle tissue growth -- Primo.

The reason people don't like Primo is because they're rather believe that 10 pounds of water is more muscle.

Remember -- they are anabolic/androgenic steroids. The androgen makes you stronger and harder, but it's the anabolic quality that builds muscle.

Well said bro

 

[dylangemelli]

'gains' is a relative term.

gains could mean a lot of things

it can mean strength, it can mean losing fat, gaining mass, etc etc

a lot of newbs have X goal and they think they can take steroids and magically reach X goal. it doesn't work like that.. you can't wish upon the steroid gods to grant you your wish. one newb wants to use them to lose weight, the other wants to use them to gain weight. i guess if you just wish for what you want it will happen like magic

Exactly! Gains is not just what the scale says... I know for a lot of people, gains have a completely different meaning... They are relevant to the desired goal

 

[NegroPops]

Speaking of side effects.. I'd rather have a little high blood pressure and a disappointed liver than have an ass cheek that feels like it got stabbed with a rusty fork everyday. But that's just me.

Side effects are called that for a reason.. they belong on the side. The gains you make from Tren literally out weigh the risks of using it. '

Nothing against primo, I actually plan to run it at some point.. but Tren is the king. No matter what you are trying to accomplish.. Tren trumps everything.

 

[stevesmi]

Sure there's always a lot more to it than the compound used but that's another thread, obviously people develop preferences as far as certain compounds for certain goals... I agree with Negropops on Tren, you might not keep as much, but the gains are so incredible it makes up for it.... I'd rather keep eight of fourteen pounds than six of eight...

Having said that Tren is a harsh compound and even if the short term side effects are tolerable to you as an individual, you have to consider the potential impact on your health from using it often, which is why I'm hoping Primo works out for me...

yeah but you weres asking what is your fav compound for KEEPABLE gains.

you aren't gonna keep your tren 'gains' i'm sorry. on tren I can bench 4 plates. off of tren i don't see any chance of that happening .. tren takes you to another level strength wise that is beyond comprehension. but when you come off your strength tanks hard. even if you were to cruise with another compound you will deflate quickly. it kinda sucks.

 

[NegroPops]

I strongly disagree with that. My last cycle was 500 mg of test, and 600 mg a tren per week. I put on a little more then 15 pounds. It is now 6 months after PCT, and I have kept 100% of the size I gained, and the majority of the strength. I was on and off SARMS for the majority of the period, but I have been off of everything for more than a month now.. and have still maintained what I gained from the cycle.

 

[dylangemelli]

I strongly disagree with that. My last cycle was 500 mg of test, and 600 mg a tren per week. I put on a little more then 15 pounds. It is now 6 months after PCT, and I have kept 100% of the size I gained, and the majority of the strength. I was on and off SARMS for the majority of the period, but I have been off of everything for more than a month now.. and have still maintained what I gained from the cycle.

I dont doubt that bro but your in rare company... A lot of that has to do with your work ethic and knowledge of how to train and the use of sarms also enables you to keep gains... Steves point is relevant to most... There are always exceptions

 

[NegroPops]

oh.. I accredit a lot of my kept gains to SARMS.. I'd be an idiot or very naive if I said that had nothing to do with it. And I agree with steve to an extent. You won't be the same person when you are on cycle with tren, when you come off. But if you take what you were before and compared to after.. I don't think you can get better results in the period of time with anything else.

 

[stevesmi]

I dont doubt that bro but your in rare company... A lot of that has to do with your work ethic and knowledge of how to train and the use of sarms also enables you to keep gains... Steves point is relevant to most... There are always exceptions

I read it again and I think its easy for a lot of people to look at my post and assume I'm saying if you juice and then come off that all your gains will go bye bye. you understood what i meant

obviously there is no excuse for that to happen with the great supplements out there and assuming the person keeps working their ass off and eating well

 

[stevesmi]

I strongly disagree with that. My last cycle was 500 mg of test, and 600 mg a tren per week. I put on a little more then 15 pounds. It is now 6 months after PCT, and I have kept 100% of the size I gained, and the majority of the strength. I was on and off SARMS for the majority of the period, but I have been off of everything for more than a month now.. and have still maintained what I gained from the cycle.

as you make progress you will keep the majority of your 'gains' and strength. I am not saying you won't..

i probably should have been less broad with my post .. when i said you aren't gonna keep your gains its easy for someone to not understand what I mean so let me try and explain it in simple terms

you just have to go by your own experiences. i have run tren many times.. so I am stating my experiences with it. you should expect to max out while on tren but when you come off you are gonna have to accept less strength. notice I am referring to STRENGTH gains, not how you look in the mirror. I actually was talking to dylan and led about this earlier today.. i actually look more shredded and tighter when i come off juice then I do on. go and look at my threads where i posted my natty bridge cycle i did. i would say i actually look better, even though my weight/mass is down.. in fact the pic I have up on my profile pic was me OFF STEROIDS for about 3 or 4 months lol so yeah i would say i have kept the majority of my 'gains'.. however it is the STRENGTH gains that take a shit off of hormones

also a month off isn't very long, if you were to stop juicing/SARM's for lets say 6 months straight you would eventually lose quite a bit of strength and size.. I would say I was down a solid 5-7 pounds in my pic i have up from my peak and my bench press was down maybe 15-20% off its peak.

you won't magically keep what you put on with the help of hormones i assure you. there are some great natty supplements out there but I am not gonna sit here and bullshit you and say they have the ability to compare to AAS.

the OP's question is interesting and I really don't think there is a black and white answer to what he is getting at.. which to me is lets say you were to stop juicing entirely and continue working out.. would you go back to where you were before you made your first pin? the only real way to know this is talk to someone who juiced previously who now works for the govt or something where they honestly no longer can juice or risk major trouble. the only way the experiment would work though is if the person were to be consistent with their workouts and eating. that would be almost impossible to know. because a person gets smarter as they build experience and muscle memory is real. all things being equal lets assume that were to happen.. i believe the person would keep SOME of their progress they made when they juiced due to muscle memory. maybe 20% of it. if they were to quit lifting altogether i have no doubt they would lose it all

i've seen tons of guys who have quit on the gym and juicing and they totally lost it all and look worse than they did when they started