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ariolanine
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The news keeps saying that "priceless artifacts" have been stolen. Then they don't tell you what the fuck they are. Anybody know?
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DcupSheepNipples
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As one who has read "Western Civilization" cover to cover and both volumes among other titles, I won't share my knowlege with you! Hint Cradle of Civlization! Now go read a history book!
vixenbabe
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There was mention of several pottery items(plaques) which was thought to be the first writings known to man. I did catch a show on TV of what the place looked like before they trashed it- was beautiful!
I also beleive that there was many jewelry items stolen as well.
It's sad in fact that these items will never be seen again, other than in a private collection somewhere!
Butttt..... If I were the director of the Mus. I would have taken these items to a safe place long before the war started.
I also beleive that there was many jewelry items stolen as well.
It's sad in fact that these items will never be seen again, other than in a private collection somewhere!
Butttt..... If I were the director of the Mus. I would have taken these items to a safe place long before the war started.
naturally anabolic
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Africa - a cradle of human evolution and civilization
By Katherine Stapp
NEW YORK: The beetle-browed skull of an early human who died a million years ago on the grasslands of Ethiopia is further evidence that modern humans evolved from a common African ancestor, scientists say.
The skull was discovered by a fossil-hunting American graduate student in December 1997. But it took two more years of meticulous scraping with dental tools to extract it from its resting place in the silty sand of what is now a hard-baked desert.
The value of the find is less its age and remarkable preservation - there are East African fossils of early humans dating back 1.8 million years - than the fact that it represents a continuum in the fossil record, researchers say.
Scientists generally agree that Homo erectus was the direct ancestor of peoples in Africa, Asia and Europe. Most believe that H. erectus emerged on the savannahs of Africa some two million years ago, eventually populating other continents thanks to superior technology like bone tools. But in the 1980s, some anthropologists decided that early African fossils were not H. erectus at all, but a distinct species they dubbed Homo ergaster. They pointed to differences in facial and skull bones, and theorised that H. ergaster was in fact an ancestor of Homo sapiens - modern humans.
The Ethiopian skull will not lay this argument to rest, but it does tip the scales toward those who assert that the two-species theory is false, says Tim White, a paleoanthropologist at the University of California, Berkeley, who led the team of US and Ethiopian researchers. "The findings are significant because they are so well dated and so complete and so similar to the Asian forms from China and Java," he said. "I'd say that the debate is far from over, but every fossil discovered helps to better understand where we came from."
Homo erectus is thought to have emigrated to Asia and Europe between a million and 500,000 years ago - although this estimate, too, is contentious. What is certain is that starting in the late 1800s, scientists began to unearth fossils in China, Indonesia and parts of Africa that seemed to share striking similarities. In the 1950s, the legendary evolutionary biologist Ernst Mayr proposed that they be grouped into one category - H. erectus.
The new find, reported in the journal Nature, is important because it helps fill a gap between the oldest H. erectus fossils and the later ones - showing, its proponents say, that H. erectus has maintained a constant presence in Africa.
"It is a good intermediate between these African specimens and the Asian ones - thus it answers many questions about H. erectus," said C. Owen Lovejoy, an anthropologist at Kent State University in Ohio who has examined the Ethiopian find. "It now appears," adds Lovejoy, that "erectus was a world-wide species that at some point gave rise to primitive forms of H. sapiens - almost certainly, it would now seem, in Africa," he explained. "Therefore the new specimen greatly simplifies our view of erectus evolution, and paves the way, as these authors point out, for new analyses of how and why erectus eventually gave rise to H. sapiens."
The skull was found near the village of Bouri in the Afar depression, a northern continuation of the Rift Valley, about 230 kilometres from Ethiopia's capital of Addis Ababa. Because the teeth and lower jaw were missing, researchers were unable to determine the individual's gender - although they did detect signs of gnawing by animals.
All fossils found in the country are curated and studied at the National Museum of Ethiopia in Addis Ababa. Last year, the same team of researchers found 4.4 million-year-old teeth and bones in the Afar from an ancient chimpanzee-like species that represents the earliest known hominids. They named the find Australopithicus ramidus. "This species is the oldest known link in the evolutionary chain that connected us to our common ancestor with the living African apes," White said at the time. "Clearly, Darwin was right - humans evolved from an African ape."
More and more evidence is piling up that Africa was indeed the cradle of both human evolution and civilisation. The discovery of bone tools in a seaside cave in South Africa has also bolstered the "Out of Africa" theory - this time, regarding the onset of so-called modern human behaviour.-Dawn/InterPress Service.
By Katherine Stapp
NEW YORK: The beetle-browed skull of an early human who died a million years ago on the grasslands of Ethiopia is further evidence that modern humans evolved from a common African ancestor, scientists say.
The skull was discovered by a fossil-hunting American graduate student in December 1997. But it took two more years of meticulous scraping with dental tools to extract it from its resting place in the silty sand of what is now a hard-baked desert.
The value of the find is less its age and remarkable preservation - there are East African fossils of early humans dating back 1.8 million years - than the fact that it represents a continuum in the fossil record, researchers say.
Scientists generally agree that Homo erectus was the direct ancestor of peoples in Africa, Asia and Europe. Most believe that H. erectus emerged on the savannahs of Africa some two million years ago, eventually populating other continents thanks to superior technology like bone tools. But in the 1980s, some anthropologists decided that early African fossils were not H. erectus at all, but a distinct species they dubbed Homo ergaster. They pointed to differences in facial and skull bones, and theorised that H. ergaster was in fact an ancestor of Homo sapiens - modern humans.
The Ethiopian skull will not lay this argument to rest, but it does tip the scales toward those who assert that the two-species theory is false, says Tim White, a paleoanthropologist at the University of California, Berkeley, who led the team of US and Ethiopian researchers. "The findings are significant because they are so well dated and so complete and so similar to the Asian forms from China and Java," he said. "I'd say that the debate is far from over, but every fossil discovered helps to better understand where we came from."
Homo erectus is thought to have emigrated to Asia and Europe between a million and 500,000 years ago - although this estimate, too, is contentious. What is certain is that starting in the late 1800s, scientists began to unearth fossils in China, Indonesia and parts of Africa that seemed to share striking similarities. In the 1950s, the legendary evolutionary biologist Ernst Mayr proposed that they be grouped into one category - H. erectus.
The new find, reported in the journal Nature, is important because it helps fill a gap between the oldest H. erectus fossils and the later ones - showing, its proponents say, that H. erectus has maintained a constant presence in Africa.
"It is a good intermediate between these African specimens and the Asian ones - thus it answers many questions about H. erectus," said C. Owen Lovejoy, an anthropologist at Kent State University in Ohio who has examined the Ethiopian find. "It now appears," adds Lovejoy, that "erectus was a world-wide species that at some point gave rise to primitive forms of H. sapiens - almost certainly, it would now seem, in Africa," he explained. "Therefore the new specimen greatly simplifies our view of erectus evolution, and paves the way, as these authors point out, for new analyses of how and why erectus eventually gave rise to H. sapiens."
The skull was found near the village of Bouri in the Afar depression, a northern continuation of the Rift Valley, about 230 kilometres from Ethiopia's capital of Addis Ababa. Because the teeth and lower jaw were missing, researchers were unable to determine the individual's gender - although they did detect signs of gnawing by animals.
All fossils found in the country are curated and studied at the National Museum of Ethiopia in Addis Ababa. Last year, the same team of researchers found 4.4 million-year-old teeth and bones in the Afar from an ancient chimpanzee-like species that represents the earliest known hominids. They named the find Australopithicus ramidus. "This species is the oldest known link in the evolutionary chain that connected us to our common ancestor with the living African apes," White said at the time. "Clearly, Darwin was right - humans evolved from an African ape."
More and more evidence is piling up that Africa was indeed the cradle of both human evolution and civilisation. The discovery of bone tools in a seaside cave in South Africa has also bolstered the "Out of Africa" theory - this time, regarding the onset of so-called modern human behaviour.-Dawn/InterPress Service.
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ariolanine
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Re: Re: what are Iraqis taking from the museums?
I know what COULD be found there. I want to know what was found there and put into a museum. Iraq is a third world shit hole. I am assuming interest in archaeology is slim to none.
2Thick said:
I know what COULD be found there. I want to know what was found there and put into a museum. Iraq is a third world shit hole. I am assuming interest in archaeology is slim to none.
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ariolanine
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DcupSheepNipples said:
Thanks for being stupid!
the nature boy
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I'm pretty sure some tablets related to the code of Hamarabi were stolen.
naturally anabolic
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The Nature Boy said:
they have a description of that perpetrator....
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ariolanine
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Fonz said:
Actually it's it's, not its
And it's Hammurabi, not Hamurabi
You're welcome.
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DcupSheepNipples
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ariolanine said:
Actually this above is really stupid if you are trying to start an IQ/History flame!
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ariolanine
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DcupSheepNipples said:
I asked a specific question about what is held in an Iraqi "museum." Your response, "now go read a history book" is stupid. If you were just being sarcastic, then you have my apologies.
the nature boy
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Who gives a fuck about the spelling???? You get the point.
naturally anabolic
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point = penis.
the nature boy
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Fonz said:
anyone want to buy some tablets with funky writing on them?
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DcupSheepNipples
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ariolanine said:
Man you give a man a fish when you can teach him to fish!
Anyways:
The museums housed/contained the collections of objects antiquities, and materials from the Paleolithic Period, the Sassanian period, The Chaldaen and Achaemenid periods, the Sumerian Civilization, Akkadian, Babylonian Kassite cultures, many Assyrian Sculptures, along with thousands of priceless gold/gem artifacts! Not only did these help create the foundation of civilization they led to the discovery of mathematical, literary, administrative and legal matters which man benefits from today!
Now do I have to hunt down each of the stolen objects and then post every single one of them to make you happy? Dcup Indiana Jones if you will!
nevertoobig
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Apparently the original theorems by Pythagoras have been stolen, that about all I know of.
circusgirl
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surprisingly it seems Iraq had a fairly professional archaelogical operation.
BTW, museums in 3rd world countries tend to have lots of interesting artifcats, it's the labelling of the artifacts that tends to leave a lot to be desired. Also, the curators tend to know damn-all about the collections, as opposed to in Europe and the US, where the curators tend to have PhD's in archaeology or art history.
Anyone on hee been to the Egyptian museum in Cairo? It's cool if you already know a lot about the collection (I knew the labelling was going to be shit so I read up and brought a book), but otherwise the labels on the exhibits tell you very little about the period etc.
As opposed to, say, the British Museum in London, or the Louvre in Paris, who provide acres of documentation on-site so you can learn about the exhibits you are less familiar with.
Generally, 3rd world countries want to kiss western ass and charging tourists 10 bucks to get in is a nice moneyspinner so they tend to take good physical care of the more famous museums. (10 bucks will feed a family for a week in Egypt, due to the relative worth of the dollar there).
There has always been a black market in artifcats pilfered from sites though. An Israeli friend of mine used to see ancient stuff for sale in antique shops in Tel Aviv, and he knew the stuff must have been acquired through less than above-board channels. Unfortunaely, once an object is removed from a site without documentation it's of limited use to historians...
Archaeology is one of my interests. Can you tell?
BTW, museums in 3rd world countries tend to have lots of interesting artifcats, it's the labelling of the artifacts that tends to leave a lot to be desired. Also, the curators tend to know damn-all about the collections, as opposed to in Europe and the US, where the curators tend to have PhD's in archaeology or art history.
Anyone on hee been to the Egyptian museum in Cairo? It's cool if you already know a lot about the collection (I knew the labelling was going to be shit so I read up and brought a book), but otherwise the labels on the exhibits tell you very little about the period etc.
As opposed to, say, the British Museum in London, or the Louvre in Paris, who provide acres of documentation on-site so you can learn about the exhibits you are less familiar with.
Generally, 3rd world countries want to kiss western ass and charging tourists 10 bucks to get in is a nice moneyspinner so they tend to take good physical care of the more famous museums. (10 bucks will feed a family for a week in Egypt, due to the relative worth of the dollar there).
There has always been a black market in artifcats pilfered from sites though. An Israeli friend of mine used to see ancient stuff for sale in antique shops in Tel Aviv, and he knew the stuff must have been acquired through less than above-board channels. Unfortunaely, once an object is removed from a site without documentation it's of limited use to historians...
Archaeology is one of my interests. Can you tell?
