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Wealth = different treatment

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Should wealth be a factor in how one is treated under the law??

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..under the law??

Do you feel it's fair??

No need to debate on WHETHER it happens, as we al know that it does


VOTE
 
How could anyone possible vote that it's fair? Life is not fair and never will be.
 
rush linbaugh, oj ...........what do they have in common??


RICH MAN'S JUSTICE!!!!!!
 
Who in the hell voted yes?
 
no
 
rnch said:
rush linbaugh, oj ...........what do they have in common??


RICH MAN'S JUSTICE!!!!!!
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OJ was accused of murdering two people with DNA evidence tying him to the crime.

Limbaugh was accused of crimes in the press by a prosecutor who was forced to admit in court that he had no evidence of any crimes having been committed
 
Holy shit, we've got some lowlifes here.
 
Why in the hell do you pieces of shit think you should be treated better because you have more money?
 
what are you proposing, exactly? its already happening in the form of % income based fines, asset seizure etc. as well as richer people having more to lose when in jail (opportunity cost, strictly financial stuff)

in some cases i think its fine eg rich people can pay some insane amount of money to avoid a DUI or something. you could rationalise it in terms of public good, easily.

cheers
 
time is more important than money swolenole.

Also, having a personal chef come in a few times a week is rather nice. But time is still better.
 
I think it's fair.

I could write a short essay as to why and how - but I don't have time right now.

Also, wealth is not just money and treatment is not just based on wealth it's based on the people that CHOOOSE to treat different people differently.

It's everywhere in everything you can choose o or not choose to buy changing society as a colective whole will never happen.
 
in the meantime I would recommend abandoning consumerism as your personal ideology.
 
gjohnson5 said:
I guess it is fair if you believe we should be giving the wealthy tax breaks and at the same time making people who are already below poverty level pay more taxes...
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The only widespread justice we're ever gonna see is in the afterlife. If there is one. A lot of people better hope not.
 
gjohnson5 said:
I guess it is fair if you believe we should be giving the wealthy tax breaks and at the same time making people who are already below poverty level pay more taxes...
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one of the dumbest post I have seen ...the more you make the more they take ... look it up the top incomes of this nation pay the bulk of all taxes collected

not a flame ...the statement was just lame and incorrect



Only The Rich Pay Taxes

Top 50% of Wage Earners Pay 96.03% of Income Taxes

October 10, 2003

There is new data for 2001. The share of total income taxes paid by the top 1% fell to 33.89% from 37.42% in 2000. This is mainly because their income share (not just wages) fell from 20.81% to 17.53%. However, their average tax rate actually rose slightly from 27.45% to 27.50%.




*Data covers calendar year 2001, not fiscal year 2001 - and includes all income, not just wages, excluding Social Security


This proves that it was not the tax cut that caused revenues from the rich to fall, but the recession and the stock market crash. In other words, you live by the sword, you die by the sword. If you are going to benefit from the rich paying more taxes, due to progressivity, on the upside, you are going to lose more revenue from these people on the downside. This is a good argument for reducing progressivity.

Think of it this way: less than four dollars out of every $100 paid in income taxes in the United States is paid by someone in the bottom 50% of wage earners. Are the top half millionaires? Noooo, more like "thousandaires." The top 50% were those individuals or couples filing jointly who earned $26,000 and up in 1999. (The top 1% earned $293,000-plus.) Americans who want to are continuing to improve their lives - and those who don't want to, aren't. Here are the wage earners in each category and the percentages they pay:

Top 5% pay 53.25% of all income taxes (Down from 2000 figure: 56.47%). The top 10% pay 64.89% (Down from 2000 figure: 67.33%). The top 25% pay 82.9% (Down from 2000 figure: 84.01%). The top 50% pay 96.03% (Down from 2000 figure: 96.09%). The bottom 50%? They pay a paltry 3.97% of all income taxes. The top 1% is paying more than ten times the federal income taxes than the bottom 50%! And who earns what? The top 1% earns 17.53 (2000: 20.81%) of all income. The top 5% earns 31.99 (2000: 35.30%). The top 10% earns 43.11% (2000: 46.01%); the top 25% earns 65.23% (2000: 67.15%), and the top 50% earns 86.19% (2000: 87.01%) of all the income.

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He was talking about as a percentage of their income. Statistics are often quite confusing. 20% of 1 million is far more than 20% of 15 thousand. So of course nearly all the taxes are going to be paid by the wealthiest.

90% of the nation's wealth is controlled by 5% of the population last time I heard and the gap between rich and poor is still growing.
 
biteme said:
He was talking about as a percentage of their income. Statistics are often quite confusing. 20% of 1 million is far more than 20% of 15 thousand. So of course nearly all the taxes are going to be paid by the wealthiest.

90% of the nation's wealth is controlled by 5% of the population last time I heard and the gap between rich and poor is still growing.
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yes but would it be out of line to say that the poor or low income depend on tax funded programs more than the rich due to the fact that the rich cant qualify for them


its like saying that you made more money so you should pay a larger percentage ..just because you can afford to

if you went out to eat and the manager said you have money so that stake will cost you $65
and the person next to you who ate the same stake only paid $ 10
would you say that is fair


I did not mean to get into a debate on this ..it was just a wrong statement
The more you make the larger the percentage of taxes you pay ..that is why there is a tax scale
 
jafo said:
one of the dumbest post I have seen ...the more you make the more they take ... look it up the top incomes of this nation pay the bulk of all taxes collected
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I'm sorry Mr Republican...
The only lame thing is you jumping onto something that you dont understand
The comment has nothing to do with the amount of taxes you pay....

Please read again before jumping to conclusions
 
gjohnson5 said:
I'm sorry Mr Republican...
The only lame thing is you jumping onto something that you dont understand
The comment has nothing to do with the amount of taxes you pay....

Please read again before jumping to conclusions
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nice ...way to label me ..you dont know anything about me
 
jafo said:
yes but would it be out of line to say that the poor or low income depend on tax funded programs more than the rich due to the fact that the rich cant qualify for them
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And one of thse programs is the county public defender...
Should one get preferrential treatman because they afforded Al Shapiro.

Does wrong turn to right because you could afford it???

These conversations are devoid of material because the point of view people use to post with is so out of reality it's just useless.
 
jafo

Most of the taxes that are collected actually benefit wealthy people much more than they benefit poor people.

The defense budget and Medicare are two examples of wealth redistribution which actually is disproportionally beneficial to the top income earners.

That's about half the budget right there. The highest income earners do pay the most taxes, yes, but they also benefit the most from the redistribution on the back end of the tax policy.
 
MattTheSkywalker said:
jafo

Most of the taxes that are collected actually benefit wealthy people much more than they benefit poor people.

The defense budget and Medicare are two examples of wealth redistribution which actually is disproportionally beneficial to the top income earners.

That's about half the budget right there. The highest income earners do pay the most taxes, yes, but they also benefit the most from the redistribution on the back end of the tax policy.
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Ok .. I am not going any further down this road as that is not what C&C is about

nobody wants to pay taxes (at any income level)

and as far as the topic goes ...I voted no its not fair ...but if you can buy a good lawyer that can get you off ...are you saying that it is not fair only because you can afford it ...where a poor person could not


here is the truth on that ....DONT BREAK THE LAW you wont have any troubles
 
jafo

Nice dodge.
 
jafo said:
Ok .. I am not going any further down this road as that is not what C&C is about

nobody wants to pay taxes (at any income level)

and as far as the topic goes ...I voted no its not fair ...but if you can buy a good lawyer that can get you off ...are you saying that it is not fair only because you can afford it ...where a poor person could not


here is the truth on that ....DONT BREAK THE LAW you wont have any troubles
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The justice system has never convicted an innocent person?
The justice system hasn't put someone to death found out later via DNA that they killed the wrong person???

Now I'm done

This just proved my point right there
 
gjohnson5 said:
The justice system has never convicted an innocent person?
The justice system hasn't put someone to death found out later via DNA that they killed the wrong person???
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You right but you've missed the part about how corupt nature of "knowing the right people" is - WHO you know can be more power than how much money you have to burn and the color of your skin.

As for justice - it has to be flawed - justice is deemed and decided by man and man is flawed so will his judgement.

Unfortunate to say the least.

I can't imagine the people that are found guilty but are not and those that are not found guilty, nor even faced with the position of being judge.
 
We should graduate each person's lifting maxes like we graduate taxes.

So if you are a 135 bencher due to work schedule, gym effort, genetics, tolerance for pain, diet, etc. etc. -- you'll pay no gym "tax". We'll even give you a 10% gym tax credit so now you can bench 148.5

If you are a 225 bencher for any reason, we'll give you a 15% tax on your bench. So now you only bench 191.

But if you are a 405 bencher let's hit you with 35%. So now you only bench 263.

See, I think this new graduated max system is only fair since you heavier benchers obviously have exploited the system or been born with a silver barbell in your hand. Besides, you shouldn't be working that hard in the gym hogging all the equipment and making everything sweaty and smelly anyway.

Doesn't that make sense Biteme?
 
mrplunkey said:
We should graduate each person's lifting maxes like we graduate taxes.

So if you are a 135 bencher due to work schedule, gym effort, genetics, tolerance for pain, diet, etc. etc. -- you'll pay no gym "tax". We'll even give you a 10% gym tax credit so now you can bench 148.5

If you are a 225 bencher for any reason, we'll give you a 15% tax on your bench. So now you only bench 191.

But if you are a 405 bencher let's hit you with 35%. So now you only bench 263.

See, I think this new graduated max system is only fair since you heavier benchers obviously have exploited the system or been born with a silver barbell in your hand. Besides, you shouldn't be working that hard in the gym hogging all the equipment and making everything sweaty and smelly anyway.

Doesn't that make sense Biteme?
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LOL


All those greedy power lifters hogging all the strength
 
Man you make some of the most F'ed up analogies ever...

mrplunkey said:
We should graduate each person's lifting maxes like we graduate taxes.

So if you are a 135 bencher due to work schedule, gym effort, genetics, tolerance for pain, diet, etc. etc. -- you'll pay no gym "tax". We'll even give you a 10% gym tax credit so now you can bench 148.5

If you are a 225 bencher for any reason, we'll give you a 15% tax on your bench. So now you only bench 191.

But if you are a 405 bencher let's hit you with 35%. So now you only bench 263.

See, I think this new graduated max system is only fair since you heavier benchers obviously have exploited the system or been born with a silver barbell in your hand. Besides, you shouldn't be working that hard in the gym hogging all the equipment and making everything sweaty and smelly anyway.

Doesn't that make sense Biteme?
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The Shadow said:
..under the law??

Do you feel it's fair??

No need to debate on WHETHER it happens, as we al know that it does


VOTE
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duhh.

it's not that they have money, it's that THEY CAN AFFORD GOOD LAWYERS.

OJ had like what 5 lawyers? What ghetto trash can afford 5 lawyers?

The poor get railroaded to jail, cuz they're stuck with public defenders who spend 5 mins on their case.

It sucks but that's life. What can we do? Use taxpayer monies to afford people in the ghetto high-priced lawyers?
 
BlondeBombshell27 said:
Rich people get away with anything and everything and it has always been that way. It's never going to change. Money makes the world go round.
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Knock on wood
 
We also treat unattractive or less eye appealing people differently.

We're flawed like that as humans.

And no one give me that "I don't judge a book by its cover" - because you're either full of shit or in denial.
 
jafo said:
Only The Rich Pay Taxes

Top 50% of Wage Earners Pay 96.03% of Income Taxes
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That is a misleading article, there are taxes other than income taxes. There are progressive & regressive taxes.

Progressive taxes like the income tax are paid more by rich people, yeah.

Regressive taxes like social security, sales taxes, gas taxes, FICA taxes are paid more by poor people.

In the end we all pay about the same as a % of income irregardless of income, we just pay it in different taxes.
 
MattTheSkywalker said:
Most of the taxes that are collected actually benefit wealthy people much more than they benefit poor people.

The defense budget and Medicare are two examples of wealth redistribution which actually is disproportionally beneficial to the top income earners.

That's about half the budget right there. The highest income earners do pay the most taxes, yes, but they also benefit the most from the redistribution on the back end of the tax policy.
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Weird that you'd say that. I remember when you felt the opposite, that the taxation system in general was progressive.

How does medicare disproportionally benefit the wealthy? If you earn 1 million a year you pay $29,000 a year in medicare taxes. Even if you own a company and medicare (instead of private, company sponsored insurance) ends up paying for the worker's healthcare at 65 the company still has to pay 50% of medicare taxes.
 
velvett said:
We also treat unattractive or less eye appealing people differently.

We're flawed like that as humans.

And no one give me that "I don't judge a book by its cover" - because you're either full of shit or in denial.
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This is why I really don't like people in general. I have compassion, sympathy, and empathy, but I've been listening to people's shit for 40 years now and it's always the same. I'd rather often be feared so people will leave me alone.
 
MattTheAssSniffer has been banned and will not respond to that

Lao Tzu said:
Weird that you'd say that. I remember when you felt the opposite, that the taxation system in general was progressive.

How does medicare disproportionally benefit the wealthy? If you earn 1 million a year you pay $29,000 a year in medicare taxes. Even if you own a company and medicare (instead of private, company sponsored insurance) ends up paying for the worker's healthcare at 65 the company still has to pay 50% of medicare taxes.
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velvett said:
We also treat unattractive or less eye appealing people differently.

We're flawed like that as humans.

And no one give me that "I don't judge a book by its cover" - because you're either full of shit or in denial.
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Its worse than you think.

Abortions in the UK are up because we have the technology to see physical imperfections in the womb. Of course these are extreme cases.

http://www.balancednewsblog.com/?p=2213

Parents are less concerned about the safety of their unattractive children

http://www.futurepundit.com/archives/002711.html

Read the book the moral animal, it is good.
 
For you people that voted yes, you are truly pathetic insecure creatures.
 
might as well say 'attractive people = different treatment'

try getting a job in hollywood, or hooking up with a hot college chick when you're fat old and ugly.

Try being a rapper, and make it into mainstream, but you're korean.

we are a very superficial country. race, sex, age, looks, money. All take their place. Velvett hit it right on.
 
Of course it happens. Do I agree, NO.
I dont think that because Joe has plenty of money and plays golf with the judge or goes to the club and has formal family dinners with law enforcement that he should be able to get away with more.
It is nothing but dollar bills. All people should be treated equally. That is one of the thing that pisses me off in this world.
 
Yeah, it's unfair. That is the huge flaw in our legal system. I'm not sure how to fix it though. Money buys lots of expert witnesses, better lawyers, etc. Plus, jurors look at you differently if you have money. It's hard to imagine how to fix it unless we fund discovery and experts for people who don't have the funds to do so. This would be an enormous expense and would clog the courts with so many suits that the system would be crippled.
 
HeatherRae said:
Yeah, it's unfair. That is the huge flaw in our legal system. I'm not sure how to fix it though. Money buys lots of expert witnesses, better lawyers, etc. Plus, jurors look at you differently if you have money. It's hard to imagine how to fix it unless we fund discovery and experts for people who don't have the funds to do so. This would be an enormous expense and would clog the courts with so many suits that the system would be crippled.
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90-95% of people plead guilty rather than go to trial anyway so it wouldn't be a big deal. Getting more and better public defenders probably wouldn't be too hard.
 
On a related note, you ever notice how people kiss ass and want to be friends with rich people?

One thing I've noticed is that rich people are the most greedy, ungiving people there are.

Why anyone would want to kiss their ass and be their friend just for the sake of money is beyond me.
 
alien amp pharm said:
On a related note, you ever notice how people kiss ass and want to be friends with rich people?

One thing I've noticed is that rich people are the most greedy, ungiving people there are.

Why anyone would want to kiss their ass and be their friend just for the sake of money is beyond me.
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LOL!

The best selling peice of home furnishing in the Hampton is a pillow.

"You never know how many friends you have until you have a home in The Hamptons"

While I agree with you - it's a blanket statement and not necessarily true of all people - my depend on where one lives as well.

In the area where there are many people of extreme wealth (and not celebs) one thing does hold true - "there's always a MF*ker richer than you" - another local quip.

If it wasn't for wealthy people and the area of the country I happened to end up at - I wouldn't have a job but at the same time I'm not their whore either, treat me poorly and it's not hard to replace you.
 
Lao Tzu said:
90-95% of people plead guilty rather than go to trial anyway so it wouldn't be a big deal. Getting more and better public defenders probably wouldn't be too hard.
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I wasn't just referring to criminal cases but to civil cases as well, where there are no court appointed attornies. In addition, if you had more public defenders with better resources etc, then perhaps 90 - 95% wouldn't be pleading guilty and would take it all the way to trial, which would back up the system, too.

That isn't saying that I'm not in favor of paying public defenders better salaries and providing better resources.
 
alien amp pharm said:
One thing I've noticed is that rich people are the most greedy, ungiving people there are.
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I've seen the exact opposite. My friends and I have funded new school construction, donated to hurricane ravaged areas, and support the acquisition of land for preservation.

I can call some of my contacts and arrange donations within 48 hours.
 
gotmilk said:
I've seen the exact opposite. My friends and I have funded new school construction, donated to hurricane ravaged areas, and support the acquisition of land for preservation.

I can call some of my contacts and arrange donations within 48 hours.
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I applaud you for that good work.

btw, how about a contribution to the aap needs money charity?
 
Razorguns said:
where u be treated better - in the ghetto, or the hamptons?

i'll take my chance with rich folks
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Eh. People in Laos are among the nicest people on earth from what I've heard. They have no money.
 
Lao Tzu said:
Eh. People in Laos are among the nicest people on earth from what I've heard. They have no money.
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yeah to people who are just like them and broke.

try being successful and having some money, and notice how quickly they change and u become a target.

r
 
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