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Want to gain and keep 10 real pounds after a cycle

chazk said:
If i were you run Primobolan - methenolone - again at 600mg ew with 40mg of anavar a day.
You will see quality gains and hold on to them for awhile.
But you know as well as i do that after 6 months the gains start slipping away and after a year your softer and almost back to normal again.

Another vote for training nattie.

You keep your gains, it's great.

:heart:
 
Tatyana said:
Another vote for training nattie.

You keep your gains, it's great.

:heart:
LOL tatyana " almost back to normal "
juicers can expand the fascia around the muscle sacks and cuase some growth that would have never been achieved being natural.

I garantee you show me a massive lean " all natural " and I bet 99% of the time he juiced many years ago.

take for example a guy 6'2 240lbs all natural ,, then a guy 6'2 240lbs that have been off roids for even 5 years but as built him self back up.
I know the ex juicer will have more seperation, fuller muscles and better shape even if they are both the same exact weight and body fat.
 
chazk said:
LOL tatyana " almost back to normal "
juicers can expand the fascia around the muscle sacks and cuase some growth that would have never been achieved being natural.

I garantee you show me a massive lean " all natural " and I bet 99% of the time he juiced many years ago.

take for example a guy 6'2 240lbs all natural ,, then a guy 6'2 240lbs that have been off steroids for even 5 years but as built him self back up.
I know the ex juicer will have more seperation, fuller muscles and better shape even if they are both the same exact weight and body fat.


sorry Tat, i love ya and all, but i have to agree with my man chazk. if you look at all natty guys, and then look at the guys who 'supplement', the guys who 'supplement' always look better(those with like training regimens, diet etc). it's just a fact, if they didn't, nobody would be willing to risk anything. :D

bro, just do another test/deca cycle, kickstart it with d.bol. and start now, that way you're doing it in the winter time when you're wearing bigger bulkier clothes, and it'll make your size gains less noticeable. or if people see you with your shirt off a lot, go with prim.o and anava.r like mentioned above. just my 2, hope this helps.
 
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I'd try running the test higher, at least 500-750 mg/week, and bumping the Deca to 600/mg/week. Always made my best kept size gains (even on my first cycle when I knew nothing of PCT) on that combo, so I'm surprised you lost the 10 lbs you gained.
Pich said:
I made 3 cycles:

1- 2000: Primobolan + Winstrol - stanozolol depot = gained about 5 pounds but was really hard.

2- 2002: Finaplix gold (100mg eod)+ Winstrol - stanozolol (50mg eod) + HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - - human chorionic gonadotropin - = went from 200 to 230 and was strong. 405lbs bench for 2 reps, 185 lbs barbell curl 5 reps, 405lbs squat 6 reps...

3- 2005: Test enanthate (only about 250mg/week) + Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - -Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - (no more than 400mg/week) + clomid + HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - = went from 210 to 220 quality muscle.

Im now back to 210/215.
 
Cal_21 said:
I'm a noob so my advice is bullshit...

But maybe consider t-bol as a lovely addition to whatever injectable you should choose... Primobolan - methenolone - /masteron/test p maybe? Just throwing shit out there. :evil:
You'll be ok as long as you give advice on things that have worked for YOU, thats what forum sharing is about..just dont be like (hehateme) and post abunch of shit you read, that way you cant be held responcible for some retards incorrect info ! LOL.
 
chazk said:
If i were you run Primobolan - methenolone - again at 600mg ew with 40mg of anavar a day.
You will see quality gains and hold on to them for awhile.
But you know as well as i do that after 6 months the gains start slipping away and after a year your softer and almost back to normal again.
great advice, very nice cycle
 
rghbgnbt said:
great advice, very nice cycle
Natural bodybuilders cant stay on a low carb diet.they need a substantial amount more than "assisted"bodybuilders.if you come off and keep your carbs high you will stay fuller longer.Ive seen natural bodybuilders waste away trying to get lean on low carbs like the others do.keep carbs high when you come off.
 
My next cycle for 16 weeks will consist of,
Equipoise (boldenone undecylenate) 300mg
sustanon 300mg ew
Proviron 50mg ed
The advantage of boldenone undecylenate is the quality of lean musel but the steady gains over a long cycle (16 weeks)
Instead of using sustanon you could use test testosterone cypionate.
 
chazk said:
If i were you run Primobolan - methenolone - again at 600mg ew with 40mg of anavar a day.
You will see quality gains and hold on to them for awhile.
But you know as well as i do that after 6 months the gains start slipping away and after a year your softer and almost back to normal again.

I will give it a try, seems like more anabolic than androgenic. Do i need anything else like hcg or clomid, and how long should be better?

What about the dosage: increasing than decreasing?
 
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