VETS: Please comment - 1st cycle

[NY1Muscle]

OK I've revised things alot. I've decided that I'm going to simplify my first cycle.

I'm going to do a TEST ONLY cycle:

Sust 500 mg/w weeks 1-10
Clen - weeks 11-13
Clomid - weeks 12-15
Nolvadex on hand

Probably:
My second cycle will be Deca/Anavar
My third will be D-bol/EQ/Sust

What do you guys think??? PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE comment (even if it's only one word) I'm going to Mexico in a few days and I want to hear opinions before I go to buy.

Thanks

 

[MadCow1]

500mg of sust works.

-others will tell you to add test to your deca cycle

Sort of strange to have 3 cycles planned out before starting your first.

 

[gwl9dta4]

Well if this is your first cycle then i think you will be best off not stacking, so you have the right idea there. Now for a test only cycle. Well, I like it.

But the only difference i suggest is that instead of doing it 500mg straight through, pyramid the dosage.


Week
1 250
2 250
3 500
4 500
5 500
6 250
7 250
8 250
9 125
10 125.

Well you get the idea. I know that the diamond pattern is considered obselete by some but it was in use for decades and produced excellent results. And since you are new you will get results regardless. If you have your diet and training all straight that is.



Sincerely.

 

[Ulter]

We used the pyramid for two reasons, because we were idiots and we didn't have clomid coming off. Dont do it.

Don't use only test get some deca or eq. I prefer the deca/test but some, liike Huck, get worried about tracing back your sides to one or the other should you get them. The odds are very much against you getting sides and this is the only time you will do a virgin cycle so don't waste it on test only. Get some arimidex.

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[gwl9dta4]

We used the pyramid for two reasons, because we were idiots and we didn't have clomid coming off. Dont do it.

Don't use only test get some deca or eq. I prefer the deca/test but some, liike Huck, get worried about tracing back your sides to one or the other should you get them. The odds are very much against you getting sides and this is the only time you will do a virgin cycle so don't waste it on test only. Get some arimidex.

WWW.ANABOLICFITNESS.NET

Well then i guess i am an idiot. Because if I frontload i get high blood pressure and bloat. I realised that my body needs time to adjust to various dosages. I can't shock it. And besides i gat great gains off the pyramid scheme. All my stuff usually kicks in at the beginning of the second week. And as far as coming off? Never had a problem, i always use the taper AND clomid of hcg. BUt recently i have not even used hcg or clomid , just a long taper and i recovered faster. I took a doctors advice on the matter, in which he stated that clomid and hcg prolong the HPTA recovery due to your body being fooled into test production. Best thing in my opinion is a good taper with the right drugs and the usage of a good anit-aromatose. Never had a problem.




Sincerely.

 

[Nimrod25]

Sust is self tapering, hence the 4 esters. Just pic a dose and keep it steady. Frontloading will help, but isnt necessary.

 

[genarr3]

Good cycle nice and simple. Don't change a thing.

 

[badazzwhitedude]

OK I've revised things alot. I've decided that I'm going to simplify my first cycle.

I'm going to do a TEST ONLY cycle:

Sust 500 mg/w weeks 1-10
Clen - weeks 11-13
Clomid - weeks 12-15
Nolvadex on hand

Probably:
My second cycle will be Deca/Anavar
My third will be D-bol/EQ/Sust

What do you guys think??? PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE comment (even if it's only one word) I'm going to Mexico in a few days and I want to hear opinions before I go to buy.

Thanks

Start Clomid therapy week 13. It wouldn't hurt to have an extra week off due to the Decanoate ester in the Sust.

As far as the second cycle, which would be Deca/Anavar: Ditch the Anavar. You see, Deca and Anavar work by the same means in a lot of ways, which is by way of the AR. You would do better to stack the Deca with some Winny since Winny is not potent at binding to the AR and produces anabolic effects away from the AR. So, in a way, the Deca/Winny combo would be more "complete" and produce anabolic effects using more pathways.

 

[badazzwhitedude]

I had to edit my post some since it was a little unclear at first. I was in a hurry to write it.

 

[genarr3]

badazzwhitedude is right, you're starting the clomid a week early. Change that.

 

[NY1Muscle]

Appreciate the input...thanks everyone.

Planning 3 cycles at once b/c I am going to buy all the gear on vacation in Mexico. Don't know when I'll have another chance to bein a country where you can buy gear so easily.

So when is it appropriate to use Anavar? It is supposed to have almost no side f/x so I figured it'd be good to follow up a 1st cycle. Just forget it altogether? Or when is it good to use?

Re: tapering. Seems logical to me even if it's a "self-tapering" med...it'll still just taper slower if you reduce the dosage....over 4 weeks instead of 2 then. After all, that is the point of the Clomid. But that's just the way it strikes me.

 

[genarr3]

over 4 weeks instead of 2 then <- no don't do that. It'll mess up the clomid therapy.
Here read for yourself, good post on the subject:
http://209.11.101.244/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=29091&highlight=clomid+faq

 

[badazzwhitedude]

Anavar is good to use as a bridge in between cycles. But it also goes good in a stack with Test and/or Winny.

 

[NY1Muscle]

Amazing Clomid reference......THANKS!

Is there another clear post about using Clen at the end of a cycle to reduce the catabolism?

Last question: should I take Nolvadex with the Clomid b/c Clomid is an estrogen....or wait to see if I develop gyno and only use Nolvadex then?

 

[MadCow1]

clomid is an anti-est. although nowhere near as strong as nolv.

Don't get too bogged down in the technical aspects of designing the 'perfect' cycle. Everyone always wants to tinker it and in the end it probably makes a difference of about 1% and there's no way to know what will work for a particular person. The KISS principle should be employed and then the focus should be training and diet.

 

[OMEGA]

Well then i guess i am an idiot. Because if I frontload i get high blood pressure and bloat. I realised that my body needs time to adjust to various dosages. I can't shock it. And besides i gat great gains off the pyramid scheme. All my stuff usually kicks in at the beginning of the second week. And as far as coming off? Never had a problem, i always use the taper AND clomid of hcg. BUt recently i have not even used hcg or clomid , just a long taper and i recovered faster. I took a doctors advice on the matter, in which he stated that clomid and hcg prolong the HPTA recovery due to your body being fooled into test production. Best thing in my opinion is a good taper with the right drugs and the usage of a good anit-aromatose. Never had a problem.

Sincerely.

the front loading thing, gave me massive headaches, and bloating, and a GENERAL SENSE of uneasy ness.

too much bang in too short a time IMO