Very long PCT

[Hiver13]

Last cycle (test E/Deca) it took me 5 months to recover. When I've stopped the serms I've crashed again.
Can I do for my next cycle a three-months pct cause I have trouble in recovery ?

Are there cons to run clomid or t boosters or hcgenerate or Stack17/Unleashed/Post-Cycle for 3 months ?

 

[buddhabuilder]

Post up what your last cycle was including on cycle supports. Also, how many times have you had your bloods done, and when did you have them done, since your last cycle?

 

[Makaveli Tha Don]

What serm are you, or were you taking? You need bloodwork done. Shooting from the hip I'd say your estrogen levels are out of wack. Try running an AI with the serm next time. Check out ag guys if you need any ancillaries.

 

[RickRock13]

You can stretch PCT out as long as needed for recovery. You ran deca which takes forever to clear and thats why you had a hard time with recovery. Thats why I dont recommend deca for anyone that cycles. Guys that are on TRT won't have the issue.

Leave deca out of your next cycle, and if you need to run a nandrolone use NPP instead. It will clear quickly making recovery easier. You need to run caber on cycle to control prolactin from nandrolones as well.

This is what you should run for best results:

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[Hiver13]

1-10 Deca 400/week
1-11 Test E 250/week
1-12 Arimidex (anastrozole) as AI

A lot of clean meals and supplements.

PCT was Clomid/Nolva for 5 weeks. (Since that time I've heard Nolvadex is a no no with Deca.)
My balls went back so for me it was ok. Haven't done any blood work it is pretty expensive in switzerland.
A while after I've stopped the SERMs, 3 months post cycle, I felt like shit again, balls shrunk and I had a bloodwork. My test was almost nonexistent and LH/FSH very low.
I bought things from my source and did another PCT :

3 weeks HCG @ 500iU EOD with Nolva 20mg, Clomid 50mg, HCGenerate, Unleashed and Test Boosters (DAA, Vitamin D, ZMA, A-HD from BPI, etc etc)
I just stopped the 3 weeks of HCG now and will go with the rest for a few weeks again. Maybe I'm gonna crash again when I'll stop the SERMS..I hope not


I got High Blood Pressure from Deca (120/80 to 160/90 post cycle). 4 months after it is still there so I'm gonna fix this problem and do a last cycle in a few months (I need to recover and lower my BP). Taking a break is good to lower your bad cholesterol too.

I want to make a last deca cycle but this time with Anavar for best results (and deca/anavar is a good combo to keep your hair)

My next cycle is going to be :

1-6 Deca 400
7-9 NPP 400 (Nandrolone Phenylpropionate) (it is a deca with short ester to clear the system in 2 days)
1-8 Test E 250
5-9 Anavar 30mg ED
5-9 Liver protection
1-4 HCG 500/week then a 4 weeks break to avoid LH desensitization problems then
7-10 HCG 500/week and 2000 last week as kisckstart for PCT

Here I'vv got a few elements that could help me recover :

- The cycle is shorter
- Deca is gonna clear the system before PCT
- I use HCG to prevent staying too long shutdown AND show my testes how to work before PCT.

THEN MY PCT PLAN

1)Month 1

Clomid 50mg ED
NO NOLVADEX WITH DECA
Arimidex to help lower estrogen, it helps boost Test. Arimidex can't be used with nolva but I think it is ok with clomid, right ? Don't want to pay for aromasin..
HCGenerate
Post-Cycle
Unleashed
Stack-17
NO OSTARINE because it can cause HPTA suppression to some people.
Vitamin B6 (300mg ED) to lower prolactine
Test Boosters (ZMA, DAA, vit D-3, tribulus
Sexual boosters like "Horny Goat" (there is definetly a link between test and sexe drive)

I think it is the best PCT ever. Then blood work after 4 weeks. If I've recovered I drop the SERMS. If not I keep going a few weeks.

If I still have not recovered I'm gonna take another 3 weeks of HCG as kickstart then do another PCT.

But my question is, is it dangerous to use one of the products in my PCT for a few months ?

I know it has taken 1 year to recover from deca to some people !!

 

[Hiver13]

@RickRock thanks for the advice, I've heard cabergoline is dangerous for the heart (if you abuse) and is not often used during cycle.
Studies have showed that vitamin B6 at high dose (300mg ED) can really really lower the prolactine levels.
You cannot produce test if your prolactine is high. Actually I hate prolactine it has caused me a gyno a few years ago and I have taken letro but the problem was not estrogen...

Vitamin B6 is a must in PCT IMO

 

[RickRock13]

At 0.5mg twice per week, Caber is not going to give you any health problems I'm sure. PCT is fine, and those are all fine to run for 3 months if need be except SERMS. I would limit clomid to 4-6 weeks max

 

[Nelson Montana]

SERMS are useless since they just delay the inevitable. At best. Get some UNLEASHED, mucunu puriens PF POSTCYCLE and s-AME.