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!!very Important Post Workout Meal Info You Had Better Know!!

imkrayzie

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Many people I can see are under the impression that Sugar and Dextrose are the best thing to take in after a workout. I've heard from some very reliable sources that never is refined sugar at all good for you. The most its going to do is make you fat. Carbs are important post workout, 30-45 minutes after, but not straight up sugar. You will get much better results by adding oats to your protein shake with a banana if your going to have a protein shake. Im going to give you some info straight out of "Maximum Growth", a book written by Shawn Phillips, I'm sure most of you have heard of him, I'm doing a 4 week program right now that i just started. I'm going to post about 2 posts a week on my results and how im doing along the way. Anyways, take this info into consideration -

"Half of your carbs should come in the form of what's called low-glycemic and the other half in high-glycemic carbs. Typically, this means you'd try and consume a starchy carb, something like brown rice, a yam, or oatmeal (low glycemic) combined with a sugary carb, such as a piece of fruit, like a banana or apple. Soi why the half-half carb? well i wont bore you with all the details, but heres the down and dirty.... too many high glycemic carbs can cause a sudden, uncontrollable rush of insulin in the body, Low-glycemic carbs don't. Too much insulin will quickly create an environment to store all of those extra calories as bodyfat. Cklarly, this is not what we want. It's for this reason I recommend not eating more than half hight glycemic carbs. You especially want to avoid those dreaded fat-storing carbs like sugar and dextrose.

Heres what a good post-workout meal should look like:

Around 75-90 grams of carbohydtrates (half and half)
Anywhere from 25-30 grams of Protein."

This should all take place in your open window of maximum growth, within 45 minutes of your workout
 
I don't buy it.

It's after a workout that you're looking for that insulin spike. Naturally, having a protein drink spiked with some table sugar isn't good, but having low glycemic carbs won't give you the spike you need.
 
Think about it, are your muscles going to take in every bit of sugar you take in after your workout? No. It can only take in so much, after that the sugar you have taken in will be stored as fat that has not been absorbed. What do your muscles have to feed off of after that? Nothing if you haven't taken in low-glycemic carbs which naturally take longer to digest. It makes perfect sense
 
Nope, still not buying it.
Let's say I take in 80g of carbs and 40g of protein post workout.
Even if my muscles only took in half of those carbs, the 160 calories that are going to be stored as fat (as you say) is not nearly as important as the quick replacement of muscle glycogen.

I can burn 160 calories rubbing one out everyday. Hardly something to worry about.
 
You are correct for the most part but... that's why it is important to know your own body and how many simple carbs you do require PWO. I've been cutting by adding dextrose to my PWO shakes for 5 months now and have drastically changed my body composition at least 6.5% lower in BF. I weigh 230lbs and I have found that 40g carbs from dextrose works for me. It may be a bit low but I like the leeway so I know that I will not be storing them.

Then, once I've exhausted all of my carbs PWO, I eat low glycemic carbs with protein 1.5hr later so that my muscles may continue to recover.
 
I'm sticking with the dextrose myself. You get better insulin response, and therefore more carbs and protein into the muscle, as well as better cortisol blunt and creatine absorption.
 
its all relative, i won;t have go over the top with my post workout drink, but i will still have it
 
The key is to use the CORRECT amounts for you, and include glucose disposal agents WITH the pwo drink, not before, not after, so that you still get the spike in slin, yet have these agents circulating in the bloodstream to help deal w/any excess glucose in a positive/beneficial manner, should you over-shoot the amount your body really needs. It's a delicate balance, but if you know what you are doing, there's no comparison.

He said Shawn Phillips, lmfao! Yeah, remember Bill Phillips and his "Body for Shit"......:rolleyes:

~SC~
CEO
www.gotswole.com
 
I used VS for two months and got zero results. I looked for scientific data with a lot of trial issues and nothing. Placebo group did just as well. Try it for yourself and change nothing other, i hope you get the results. if you do not then the current data was right. Picolnate, waste of money
 
w/e, my bro was one chubby ass fool till he did body for life for like 2 months and came out of it with a 6 pack.... no matter who says that diet doesn't work, sorry but it does and thats a fact
 
wtlftr said:
I used VS for two months and got zero results. I looked for scientific data with a lot of trial issues and nothing. Placebo group did just as well. Try it for yourself and change nothing other, i hope you get the results. if you do not then the current data was right. Picolnate, waste of money


agreed
 
vertigo said:

Source of raw materials with V.S. is a bit of an issue, I wonder about the purity of alot of the products out now as some seem to work well and others tend to suck.

I've seen the studies that show that minimal insulin is needed for protein uptake but that completley disregards coritsol and a whole host of other things that carbs are responsible for.

Dextrose PWO will NOT make you fat.
 
imkrayzie said:
w/e, my bro was one chubby ass fool till he did body for life for like 2 months and came out of it with a 6 pack.... no matter who says that diet doesn't work, sorry but it does and thats a fact

ROFLMFOA!!!!

Thanks for the "fact"........ :rolleyes:

~SC~
CEO
www.gotswole.com
 
imkrayzie said:
w/e, my bro was one chubby ass fool till he did body for life for like 2 months and came out of it with a 6 pack.... no matter who says that diet doesn't work, sorry but it does and thats a fact



when people are concerned about keeping muscle mass body for life isnt the right program



your chubby bro could have gotten on any diet and gotten a 6 pack
 
You know what I hate? people acting like they are the fuckin shit because they make lots of posts on their computer....and know lots of computer jargon .... (LOLROFLAO)?? dude what the fuck? i bet you I have been working out for longer than u. Just because you spend more time on your computer than me doesn't mean shit, I spend that time in the gym, on the ice, on the rugby field, in the boxing ring... you spend that time working out your fucking fingers, ~SC~, don't talk to me like I'm a fuckin idiot- heres a pic of me btw : http://www.ratemybody.com/profile.aspx?id=krayziefresh
 
sorry, didn't mean to act like that, I have kind of a short fuse attached to me... still you shouldn't be disrespectful for no reason like that
 
body for life and eating for life was a good read. I like to keep abreast on new data to the field and others experience. It will work for somene who has been sedentary or out of the loop for awhile. I think the diets are quite calorie restricted.It shows, look at BP in the book jacket, thin as a rail. He loked better a few years back IMO. But nonetheless, different strokes for different folks. Calories in + calories burned = wt loss.
 
imkrayzie said:
You know what I hate? people acting like they are the fuckin shit because they make lots of posts on their computer....and know lots of computer jargon .... (LOLROFLAO)?? dude what the fuck? i bet you I have been working out for longer than u. Just because you spend more time on your computer than me doesn't mean shit, I spend that time in the gym, on the ice, on the rugby field, in the boxing ring... you spend that time working out your fucking fingers, ~SC~, don't talk to me like I'm a fuckin idiot- heres a pic of me btw : http://www.ratemybody.com/profile.aspx?id=krayziefresh

hey bro, don't know if you realize, but ~SC~ is the guy who does personalized diets for people. there are quite a few people on here, including me, who have had alot of success with Swolecat's diets. and BTW, if you wanna see the guy you "have been working out for longer" than, go to www.gotswole.com. yeah, he's the jacked mofo you see in that intro.

and i don't think SC was trying to talk down to you. from my experience working with him, he's not the kind of guy to try and make people feel ignorant. i think it was more of a matter him getting a laugh out of you stating a "FACT" about a diet that for many people, has not been the solution they were looking for. glad to hear it worked for your buddy. but many people lose muscle on that diet, and for many people getting a six pack is not worthwhile if you lose a shitload of muscle size in the process.

so before you get pissed at other people for disgreeing with your opinion, remember it is just your opinion, not a fact. in your opinion it worked b/c he got a 6-pack.
 
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imkrayzie said:
You know what I hate? people acting like they are the fuckin shit because they make lots of posts on their computer....and know lots of computer jargon .... (LOLROFLAO)?? dude what the fuck? i bet you I have been working out for longer than u. Just because you spend more time on your computer than me doesn't mean shit, I spend that time in the gym, on the ice, on the rugby field, in the boxing ring... you spend that time working out your fucking fingers, ~SC~, don't talk to me like I'm a fuckin idiot- heres a pic of me btw : http://www.ratemybody.com/profile.aspx?id=krayziefresh


after posting your pic, do you feel sort of DUMB? Here's a friendly suggestion, don't rant and rave #1, without knowing whom you are speaking to and #2, don't post a pic unless you are prett confident that you look somewhat decent.......cause neither were taken into account before your post........
 
I have been using Dextrose immediately after workouts while on a cutting diet designed by Swole and let me tell you that I am definatley not fat, and my muscles have never looked so full in my life. The shit works very well. Bam
 
Looks like you got a serious case of bitch tits there bro. Seriously, I wouldn't get into any pissing contest with Swole about who looks best, or about who knows more dieting. I promise you, you will lose. He knows his shit about diet and I can certainly verify that for you. Sounds like you may be "raging" from all that test and d-bol you are on. That shit will make you hold a lot of water too, and I can see you are full of water. Not being an ass to you, just truthful. Bam

imkrayzie said:
You know what I hate? people acting like they are the fuckin shit because they make lots of posts on their computer....and know lots of computer jargon .... (LOLROFLAO)?? dude what the fuck? i bet you I have been working out for longer than u. Just because you spend more time on your computer than me doesn't mean shit, I spend that time in the gym, on the ice, on the rugby field, in the boxing ring... you spend that time working out your fucking fingers, ~SC~, don't talk to me like I'm a fuckin idiot- heres a pic of me btw : http://www.ratemybody.com/profile.aspx?id=krayziefresh
 
imkrayzie said:
You know what I hate? people acting like they are the fuckin shit because they make lots of posts on their computer....and know lots of computer jargon .... (LOLROFLAO)?? dude what the fuck? i bet you I have been working out for longer than u. Just because you spend more time on your computer than me doesn't mean shit, I spend that time in the gym, on the ice, on the rugby field, in the boxing ring... you spend that time working out your fucking fingers, ~SC~, don't talk to me like I'm a fuckin idiot- heres a pic of me btw : http://www.ratemybody.com/profile.aspx?id=krayziefresh

Again, LMFAO!!!!!!!! Yeah, computer jargon! :rolleyes:

I wasn't demeaning you in any manner, but your "fact" that you stated, is not a "fact" at all, that was the point of my post. Very cool that BFL worked in that manner for your boy, great!

It was not intended to tear YOU down personally. On another note, if you have been working out longer than I have, you better submit a far better pic than the blurry/bloated one you have at that "rate my upper body only" web location! I go in the gym, handle biz, go to my office and work to make money and my living and I grow while doing so. You seem to have too many activitites going on because you (1) have no Net etiquette at all (2) don't appear to spend enough time in the gym (physique), if you wanna call a spade a spade. Working out my fingers must be leading to some great growth then if that's the case, perhaps you should try it?

I'm not getting into a pissin' match here, just wanted to explain what I meant, and also let you know that if your pic was an attempt to "compare" yourself to me, that's more than okay w/me. I'm happy w/who I am, and you should be happy w/who you are too, but don't "compare" your 1 blurry/bloated/no leg pic to my entire website full of professional images, and think there is ANY comparison.

Good day!

~SC~
CEO
www.gotswole.com
As Seen In MuscleMag Issues
259, 264
 
Haha, I love this, you comparing yourself to SwoleCat?

wow.

BTW - you are gay for putting yourself on ratemybody.
 
MrMakaveli said:
Dextrose PWO will NOT make you fat.

Exactly. And I know this from personal experience. When I diet I still take in dextrose PWO, and lose fat while doing it.
 
imkrayzie said:
Many people I can see are under the impression that Sugar and Dextrose are the best thing to take in after a workout. I've heard from some very reliable sources that never is refined sugar at all good for you. The most its going to do is make you fat.
If you're interested in this stuff, look into exercise response physiology. Post-exercise, the body is in such a state that it will take advantage of high GI carbs in ways that it does not in a rested state. Post-exercise, your body is enzematically primed to utilize those high GI carbs and subsequent insulin spike to shift into an anabolic state and to refuel glycogen stores.
 
jaymis said:
whenever a certain dieting guru (lol) and someone else get into it, his little gay buddies join in. And it turns into a thread for morons.


woooooooooo.............. :yawn:
 
jaymis said:
whenever a certain dieting guru (lol) and someone else get into it, his little gay buddies join in. And it turns into a thread for morons.

I don't get it. One minute you are bashing myself/services/success, next minute you give me credit and appear as a halfway decent human being (thread the other day). Now I see you and your "lol" at Diet Guru (which you may laugh at all you want, I'm more than content w/my lifestyle thank you), and calling those I assist "gay". I'm sure they really appreciate that as well.

Really doesn't help out the board very much at all. No more than the threads in which you are complaining about. Irony is an amazing thing.

How about just an ounce of tact, and positive energy spent instead of ridicule and hate?


Just a thought. Happy Easter and God Bless.

~SC~
CEO
www.gotswole.com
As Seen In MuscleMag
Issues 259, 264
 
At least Jaymis there isn't dilusioned. He came into this post and saw that everybody was attacking me. I found it strange that one person didn't jump on the band wagon lol. I post a few posts and before I know it I got 50 of ~SC~'s groupies trying to insult me. You seem like you know what you're talking about SC, but can you call off your puppies lol
 
imkrayzie said:
At least Jaymis there isn't dilusioned. He came into this post and saw that everybody was attacking me. I found it strange that one person didn't jump on the band wagon lol. I post a few posts and before I know it I got 50 of ~SC~'s groupies trying to insult me. You seem like you know what you're talking about SC, but can you call off your puppies lol

Listen kid, you're way in over your head here. You need to just crawl back under whatever rock you came from because you obviously have no clue what you are talking about. SC is very well respected and he definitely knows his shit, not to mention that he has probably been doing this longer than you have been alive. SC wrote me a diet and training program last year. In August I was 193lbs at 17%bf, and I am currently 206lbs at 12% bf. Since on SC's program, I have yet to have a PWO shake that didn't include at least 85g of dextrose.
 
~SC~ said:
I don't get it. One minute you are bashing myself/services/success, next minute you give me credit and appear as a halfway decent human being (thread the other day). Now I see you and your "lol" at Diet Guru (which you may laugh at all you want, I'm more than content w/my lifestyle thank you), and calling those I assist "gay". I'm sure they really appreciate that as well.

Really doesn't help out the board very much at all. No more than the threads in which you are complaining about. Irony is an amazing thing.

How about just an ounce of tact, and positive energy spent instead of ridicule and hate?


Just a thought. Happy Easter and God Bless.

~SC~
CEO
www.gotswole.com
As Seen In MuscleMag
Issues 259, 264

damn bro... you on PCT?
 
LOL, no actually but that's pretty funny and expected I guess, huh.

On the real, I was just trying to really understand where one was coming from. We've taken it off-line, and I'm content with the conversation we've exchanged. We won't be posting this kinda stuff anymore in threads, it makes us look ridiculous.

~SC~
CEO
www.gotswole.com
As Seen In MuscleMag
Issues 259, 264
 
~SC~ said:
LOL, no actually but that's pretty funny and expected I guess, huh.

On the real, I was just trying to really understand where one was coming from. We've taken it off-line, and I'm content with the conversation we've exchanged. We won't be posting this kinda stuff anymore in threads, it makes us look ridiculous.

~SC~
CEO
www.gotswole.com
As Seen In MuscleMag
Issues 259, 264


no offense SC, but so does bashing the "has been" bill/sean phillips, as they are/were a competitor of yours.....pretty unprofessional, but we all make mistakes.......don't get me wrong, I admire your thoughts and dedication....just don't stoop to that level........let's kill this thread.........
 
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imkrayzie said:
At least Jaymis there isn't dilusioned. He came into this post and saw that everybody was attacking me. I found it strange that one person didn't jump on the band wagon lol. I post a few posts and before I know it I got 50 of ~SC~'s groupies trying to insult me. You seem like you know what you're talking about SC, but can you call off your puppies lol




I think it just goes to show that 95% of the members here think you just acted like a fool, while 5% disagree.
 
JKurz1 said:
no offense SC, but so does bashing the "has been" bill/sean phillips, as they are/were a competitor of yours.....pretty unprofessional, but we all make mistakes.......don't get me wrong, I admire your thoughts and dedication....just don't stoop to that level........let's kill this thread.........

Well, when dietary practices are sub-par compared to other methods, so much now that it's damn near common knowledge (amongst the majority I deal with daily anyhow), I'll most definitely voice my opinion on the matter, not bashing in nature at all. Rather, I'll expose what bb'ers have known for years, and it's that the BFL approach will leave most a smaller, just as fat person, body comp wise. It really is "old school". I think it's great that someone made an attempt to help people, but alas there are better ways and they are more prominent than ever. As well, most of those programs/dietary approaches aren't developed by supplement company owners who also wish to sell numerous products.

Thanks for your opinion however!
~SC~
CEO
www.gotswole.com
As Seen In MuscleMag
Issues 259, 264
 
~SC~ said:
Well, when dietary practices are sub-par compared to other methods, so much now that it's damn near common knowledge (amongst the majority I deal with daily anyhow), I'll most definitely voice my opinion on the matter, not bashing in nature at all. Rather, I'll expose what bb'ers have known for years, and it's that the BFL approach will leave most a smaller, just as fat person, body comp wise. It really is "old school". I think it's great that someone made an attempt to help people, but alas there are better ways and they are more prominent than ever. As well, most of those programs/dietary approaches aren't developed by supplement company owners who also wish to sell numerous products.

Thanks for your opinion however!
~SC~
CEO
www.gotswole.com
As Seen In MuscleMag
Issues 259, 264

I agree 100%.....for the time, it was a decent program for those who have really never been in decent shape.......kept them motivated and set a goal (8 week challenge)...now, with the changing of times, the advice has NOT been updated and has been lost in the dinosaur era..........glad you didnt take my post the wrong way........

As a CPA (closet, lol), the golden rle is not to bash other firms when trying to attract new clients......makes you look bad and does little or nothing to recruit more business.......just a thought.
 
jaymis said:
whenever a certain dieting guru (lol) and someone else get into it, his little gay buddies join in. And it turns into a thread for morons.

:rolleyes: when you arrived, it became a thread with a moron, now have some red and STFU!
 
goddamm, is "J" still around. I thought he would have been reddded by know, but peeps are still hooking him up. Maybe his alias (if he has one). J/K
 
I've recently switched to a 2 shake night and I'm hoping for a solid return........droping the dextr. and then a meal to a shake with whey, egg whites and oats pw and then a thick one of skim, anpb, and casein before bed...........
 
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