Vegetarian Cutting Diet?

[txmike]

I'm just beginning a cutting cycle for 12 weeks. It's my first.
I don't eat meat, so choices aren't as much as the typical carnivore gets.

Does anyone have cutting diets they've used for vegetarians that are good?

I eat 6 meals a day.
Protein:
Two meals have these types of products each day:
--egg whites, seitan(wheat gluten), Boca products

Four meals each day are of whey protein mixed with water.

During the week I eat out and have:
Greens, non-starchy vegetables, 2T dressing about 4 meals during the week.
Oriental meals with brown rice, tofu and vegetables. 1x-2x during the week.

I avoid a lot of tofu and other soy products, because it is estrogenic.

Any other ideas? 12 weeks of this should cure my need to graze.

Thanks,
Mike

 

[Ulter]

Are you strict? So you don't eat fish or seafood either?

 

[blueta2]

Eat some nuts and lentils for more protien.....Almonds would be my choice. They fill you up and are filled with good fats.

 

[solidspine]

What do you eat for protein?


Why are you a Vegetarian?





Tofu and other soy protducts are estrogenic?



I didn't know that, my wife is chinese and makes it 24/7


Man you learn something like this and it can throw your diet and schedule in to a tail spin. My wife is always trying to cook high protein meals, and includes a lot of Tofu, and obviously soy.

 

[blueta2]

Soy does cause estrogen to fluctuate. Some peeps can tolerate it, some cannot.

 

[solidspine]

I think it is OK, nothing special certainly don’t drink soy protein, but,

Try to eat a ton of protein a day, realistically about 300 grams, and I want to get that from real food,

For me that means chicken, hamburger, ham, beef, fish meat, red meat, more meat and then some red meat,

But I will eat anything.

Everyone says they are trying to gain weight and get lean,


Crazy

But I am actually slow achieving that goal, getting leaner, but the last few pounds of muscle are really hard to achieve and I am at the end of my cycle.

 

[solidspine]

txmike just a guess are you from Minnesota,




blueta2

I love nuts and almonds, in particular, and can easily eat a pound a day.


Its funny when I get to max and I am healthy, staying thin is not a big deal, right now, it is critical, so I cool it on certain things, almonds, are up there with ice cream,

If I have access I will eat it until gone.

 

[blueta2]

They are addicting I admit! I am pretty good, I will eat a handful 2-3 times a week. Doritos are my friggin demon...hehe!
Believe it or not, a good alternative to almonds are soy nuts. Unsalted. They are low in fat but again may play with hormone levels. Best bet......eat Doritos ;-)

Also about being a vegetarian...I was one for many years only b/c meat grosses me out big time. I now incorp chicken and salmon in my diet only b/c I was anemic and weak. I think if I did not work out, I would still be a vegetarian.

 

[Quadsweep]

Is this a Peta thing or a religious thing...fact is we (Homo Sapien) are Omnivores. We are hunters...our eyes face forward...all predators do. We have canine teeth...only meat eaters do. We have a medium length intestinal tract indictive of both plant and animal consumption. Vegatarinism is not a health diet choice IMHO. If you insist on this type of diet check out Bill Pearls writings. He is the only Pro vegan I know of.

Quadsweep

 

[Ulter]

And oh BTW this is what Bill looked like in his 62nd birthday.

Good luck with that Omnivore's

 

[blueta2]

Actually, humans are designed to be herbivores. I used to work in the medical field and if you speak with a knowledgeable Gasto. he will tell you, our digestive tracks are not equipped to to digest meat properly.
Not going to have a debate on meat vs non meat eaters. This is neither a peta or religious thing, consumption is a personal choice.

 

[boxerjake]

Actually, humans are designed to be herbivores. I used to work in the medical field and if you speak with a knowledgeable Gasto. he will tell you, our digestive tracks are not equipped to to digest meat properly.
Not going to have a debate on meat vs non meat eaters. This is neither a peta or religious thing, consumption is a personal choice.

Babe ... by the look of the transformation in you avatar whatever the hell your eating is working . LOL

 

[ego boner]

txmike, this may be a stupid question, but, why are you running a cutting cycle if you are vegan? i have never known a plant eater that needed to cut, they all have needed to eat some meat to gain weight ...


Ego Boner

 

[blueta2]

That is an "all grain fed" body baby...hahah! Lots of good lighting also ;-)

 

[txmike]

txmike, this may be a stupid question, but, why are you running a cutting cycle if you are vegan? i have never known a plant eater that needed to cut, they all have needed to eat some meat to gain weight ...


Ego Boner

I'm an ova-lacto, vegetarian. I don't eat meat and choose not to eat a few other foods for spiritual reasons. A vegan eats no animal products or byproducts. It's been a long time, so I don't argue for or against vegetarianism.

I knew a fresh and raw vegan who was proud of her new body after 7 years on her diet. She was 15 pounds over weight, because she liked avocados and could get them almost free anytime. Avocadoes are 80% fat just like butter. They have a better fat, but that's still a lot of calories.

About 5 years ago I had a series of events throw me a curve that weren't too nice. Part of my response was to eat. I'm 6'5", about 350 and 28%bf. I'm strong and solid under a coat of fat. During the past few years I've dieted off the same 60 pounds 4 times. My goal is to get to 270-280 solid.

Recently a former pro bodybuilder offered to help me reach my goals. I'm doing it now in a different way thanks to him and a lot of good people on this board. He doesn't understand vegetarian diets and weightlifting. Mostly he'll tell me what I need to do and then I find out how to put it into my life.

Thanks for the tips on food choices. If anyone has a vegetarian cutting diet they've tried, I'd sure like to check it out.

Nuts, like almonds, are high in protein, but they are also high in fat. Raw nuts have a substance that inactivates enzymes so the nut won't grow until water washes it away. If you like almonds, try buying raw and soaking them in water for 3 days. Change the water every day. This sprouts them. They become sweeter and the protein is more available.

What's really odd to me on this diet and these products I'm taking, is that it's hard to eat enough to get in all my protein. This has really curbed my appetite and cravings. That's great, but I'm supposed to get 350g protein in my diet per day?

Thanks ya'all.....close Solidspine...I grew up in Wisconsin

 

[blueta2]

Nuts are high in fats, but not the fats that make you fat. They have the unsaturated fats and essential fats needed. Course if you eat 1/2 lbs, the calories will be too much, but a small handful of almonds a day will in NO WAY add fat on your body.

The prob. with vegans or vegatarians, is they suppliment their diets with foods that tend to be fillers. Like breads, pasta's etc.
You can always google some good vegans site (their msg boards) they prob have a ton of good info for you.
I understand your plight...tough finding choices in this case.
Good luck

 

[boxerjake]

Katie lang was a vegitarian .... she is also a lesbian

Guess that makes her a " Vagitarian " ....... LOL

 

[Quadsweep]

Actually, humans are designed to be herbivores. I used to work in the medical field and if you speak with a knowledgeable Gasto. he will tell you, our digestive tracks are not equipped to to digest meat properly.
Not going to have a debate on meat vs non meat eaters. This is neither a peta or religious thing, consumption is a personal choice.

Thats cool but I still disagree. Humans survived Ice ages by being carnivorous. I do not feel most Vegans look healthy and I still disagree about Homo Sapiens not being predators. Name an herbivore with forward facing eyes and canines and a medium length bowel tract. Herbivors eyes are designed for 180 degree sight. (so they are not eaten while grazing they can see behind them.) They have flat teeth designed to grind plant matter and usually more than one stomach and the ability to reguratate their cud. I also do not hold with most docs and their nutrition advice as they have about 6hrs nutrition training...sad actually. Plant protiens are of low biological value so its difficult to get enough complete protien without getting to much carb. Every other Primate is an Omnivore...why would we be different...we aree just animals really.

 

[blueta2]

Thats cool but I still disagree. Humans survived Ice ages by being carnivorous. I do not feel most Vegans look healthy and I still disagree about Homo Sapiens not being predators. Name an herbivore with forward facing eyes and canines and a medium length bowel tract. Herbivors eyes are designed for 180 degree sight. (so they are not eaten while grazing they can see behind them.) They have flat teeth designed to grind plant matter and usually more than one stomach and the ability to reguratate their cud. I also do not hold with most docs and their nutrition advice as they have about 6hrs nutrition training...sad actually. Plant protiens are of low biological value so its difficult to get enough complete protien without getting to much carb. Every other Primate is an Omnivore...why would we be different...we aree just animals really.

Tmike..these sites are for you, but Quads, check these out also. This guy is a vegetarian, He looks pretty heathly to me.

http://vegetarianbodybuilder.com/index2.html
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/bbinfo.php?page=Vegetarians



Many dr's have few hrs of nutrician experience, but I not talking about those guys. I am talking about the dr's who actually study the human digestive track. Nutrician does not pertain to their research.
Like I said, to eat meat or not is a very personal choice. Some ppl actually get ill (very ill) eating an animal. They just cannot bring themself to eat a dead animal. Some ppl can....to each his own.

 

[CrazyK]

Nuts are high in fats, but not the fats that make you fat. They have the unsaturated fats and essential fats needed. Course if you eat 1/2 lbs, the calories will be too much, but a small handful of almonds a day will in NO WAY add fat on your body.

The prob. with vegans or vegatarians, is they suppliment their diets with foods that tend to be fillers. Like breads, pasta's etc.
You can always google some good vegans site (their msg boards) they prob have a ton of good info for you.
I understand your plight...tough finding choices in this case.
Good luck

Any fat can potentially make you fat. 1 gram of fat is 9 calories, doesn't change with the "type" that it is. One might be healthier for your heart, but they all do the same to the waistline if they are pushing you over your caloric needs.

 

[al420]

Just use Eggs for protien. If you will eat them I would rely on them.

 

[blueta2]

Any fat can potentially make you fat. 1 gram of fat is 9 calories, doesn't change with the "type" that it is. One might be healthier for your heart, but they all do the same to the waistline if they are pushing you over your caloric needs.

If you do not exercise and eat a 1/2 lb a day, than yeah!


Throughout history, almonds have been enjoyed not only for their delicate, versatile flavor and great crunch, but also their legendary healthful properties. The Almond Board of California’s nutrition research program has helped quantify almonds’ nutritious profile and health benefits. For example:

Almonds are nutritionally dense – a quality emphasized in the government’s Dietary Guidelines. Independent analyses show that almonds are the most nutritionally dense nut, whether compared calorie per calorie or ounce per ounce. The Dietary Guidelines for Americans 2005 encourage Americans to choose nutritionally dense foods – that is, to get the most nutrition possible out of the calories you eat. A one-ounce, 160-calorie serving of almonds, or about a handful, is an excellent source of vitamin E and magnesium, and a good source of fiber. It also offers heart-healthy monounsaturated fat, protein, potassium, calcium, phosphorous and iron.


Eating a daily handful of almonds a day may lower LDL, or “bad” cholesterol. In a clinical trial published in the American Heart Association’s journal Circulation, men and women who ate one daily ounce of almonds for a month lowered their LDL cholesterol by 4.4 percent. Those who ate two daily ounces of almonds lowered their LDL cholesterol even more – by 9.4 percent – and maintained their weight.


Eating almonds may help maintain or even lose weight. A 2003 study in the International Journal of Obesity found that adding a daily ration of almonds to a low-calorie diet enhanced weight loss, as well as significantly improved risk factors associated with heart disease, when compared to a low-fat, low-calorie diet. Researchers cited almonds’ heart-healthy monounsaturated fat as being very satiating, helping satisfy the appetite and prevent patients from overeating.

 

[txmike]

Thanks for the links Blueta2. There are a few vegetarians on the net and a couple very buff vegans who are natural bodybuilders.
I'm new to using gear, so I'm interested in vegetarian diets used to successfully go through a cutting cycle. I started mine ahead of schedule and I'm very pleased with the results in a short time. However, 11 weeks to go on just egg whites would be a tough menu to keep.
It doesn't surprise me that I'm in a minority on this board, but it would surprise me to discover I'm the only vegetarian here who has done this.

 

[al420]

It wouldn't supprise me. Not to flame, but a vegetarian BB is like a mechanic w/ no tools IMO. You need MEAT to grow - simple as that.

There may be a few ramdom people that are huge AND vegetarians, but they are probably genetic freaks and would be huge no matter what. If this is not you then get out the Eggs bro.

Best of luck either way. When it comes right down to it the journey is the prize, not the destination.

 

[al420]

Meat is good for you IMO. In my life's journey sometimes I come across an animal and I just have to let them have it. Slow down on the life's journey stuff on a fricking AAS board.

Nice bench, it's twice mine - what exactly do you mean by "press at least 1500". This is a typeo right?

And BTW - my Family is my #1. And we all enjoy meat daily...all the way down to the little princess. Hell, I think we feed our fish meat.

 

[Quadsweep]

Tmike..these sites are for you, but Quads, check these out also. This guy is a vegetarian, He looks pretty heathly to me.

http://vegetarianbodybuilder.com/index2.html
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/bbinfo.php?page=Vegetarians



Many dr's have few hrs of nutrician experience, but I not talking about those guys. I am talking about the dr's who actually study the human digestive track. Nutrician does not pertain to their research.
Like I said, to eat meat or not is a very personal choice. Some ppl actually get ill (very ill) eating an animal. They just cannot bring themself to eat a dead animal. Some ppl can....to each his own.

I am not saying it cannot be done at all. Most BB vegatarians are not Vegans though. I believe Bill Pearl is Lacto /Ova. I believe if a person gets ill from meat consumption it is mental issue. If they were stranded on top of a mountain in winter they would eat their horse if they had to.

Quad

 

[blueta2]

I am not saying it cannot be done at all. Most BB vegatarians are not Vegans though. I believe Bill Pearl is Lacto /Ova. I believe if a person gets ill from meat consumption it is mental issue. If they were stranded on top of a mountain in winter they would eat their horse if they had to.

Quad

call me a non-surviver, but I would rather die than kill and eat a horse.
And yes it's mental not physical about not eating meat.
And fyi, if I were stranded on top of a mountain with a horse, I would get on the horse and utilize him/her to get me off the mountain..haha!

 

[Quadsweep]

call me a non-surviver, but I would rather die than kill and eat a horse.
And yes it's mental not physical about not eating meat.
And fyi, if I were stranded on top of a mountain with a horse, I would get on the horse and utilize him/her to get me off the mountain..haha!

That was a good reply. I know what you mean as I hunt at the grocery! I am not a hunter but would do what it took to survive. Can you say that positivly or maybe a chance that when the survival instinct kicked in...we are animals in the end I say again. You nor I have ever been that hungry. Good luck in your endevours. You are on a already hard road my friend....And you are racing with a handicap. BB is the hardest sport. Good job so far as well.

Quad

 

[txmike]

It's nice to blaze a new path.
I never thought I'd do AAS but I've learned a lot from this board that has taken the concern out it for me. The change in this first week alone whether due to placebo or not, has been excellent. This will be one great Christmas gift.

--- Isn't that big, powerful horse I road on up the mountain a vegetarian?
--- Biggest land mammal in the world is a vegetarian - elephant.

I guess that means, the perfect cutting diet is straw with a side of peanuts.

Appreciate the thoughts and helpful info,
Mike

 

[al420]

T-Rex ate meat - Gorillas eat meat - Lions eat meat. Gazelles get eaten - so would a horse, or elephant by my first example.

Steroids and meat are like meat and potatoes or meat and muscles - they just go together. Good luck w/ the straw. Do know how many animals died having the AAS your shooting tested on them? Sorry, sometimes I get a little playful - must be the meat.

 

[txmike]

Yep must be the meat.