Var vs MHN for LBM?

[sundevil04]

MHN is one compound I'm not all that familiar with. I inderstand it's essentially an oral nandrolone and from the logs here it seems to be somewhat mild for mass. Can anyone give an opinion on how it would compare to 80mg of Var for LBM at around 25 mg per day of MHN as that's what I commonly see used here?

Stats
5'9"
185 lbs
12% bf
31 years old

I'm looking to use one or the other along side Prop at 100mg eod for a lean bulk cycle

 

[zwhit]

I've never used var but ran MHN a couple years ago. I loved it. One of my favorite orals. I wish more places carried it.

I ran it at 30mg/day for the last 4 weeks of a test/mast (100mg eod) cycle. It was mild as far as strength (I'd use something else if that's your goal if it were me). Good for recovery. Muscle fullness and pumps were great. Felt like I had a pump 24/7. I've run NPP at 100mg eod and MHN at 30mg/day was more effective, IMO.

 

[ballslee]

I would use tbol for a lean bulk
NPP, EQ.....injectable wise

havent used MHN, but I don't think many people have liked it. Var would be more for a cutter, and i wouldnt use it for a bulk.
superdrol might be a good option tho

 

[zwhit]

I would use tbol for a lean bulk
NPP, EQ.....injectable wise

havent used MHN, but I don't think many people have liked it. Var would be more for a cutter, and i wouldnt use it for a bulk.
superdrol might be a good option tho

I've heard nothing but good reviews here at EF, though not many people have run it.

its a much better option than superdrol as far as side effects, IMO.

 

[sundevil04]

I've heard a lot of reviews talking about the pumps and fullness, but what about for quality "keepable" LBM like with var?

 

[zwhit]

I didn't retain any water on it, if that's what you mean. So gains are as "keepable" as any other "dry" AAS, in my experience. I'd compare it to NPP with no water retention.

 

[sundevil04]

That's good to know as far as comparing it to NPP. Sounds like it would add more LBM than var if that's the case. Have you ever used var to be able to compare the two?

 

[beast1130]

superdrol is far superior to either of those compounds for lean muscle gain.

 

[zwhit]

That's good to know as far as comparing it to NPP. Sounds like it would add more LBM than var if that's the case. Have you ever used var to be able to compare the two?

No, never used var. You'll like it if you like NPP though.

 

[ballslee]

what i have read is people being extremely underwhelmed by it. They have said it was okay, but didn't cause substantial changes to body composition like others that have been mentioned. ive heard about the pumps and fullness, but that it wasn't very good for strength and didn't add much muscle size. it is much milder than superdrol yes, but I was suggesting that strictly based off of the goals he has.

superdrol will add 10-15 pounds of muscle, with almost no bloat, bad back pumps is the side but if you up the Taurine that isn't a problem
anavar will cut you up, maybe add 5 pounds or lose some fat depending on the workouts, and add serious strength
tbol will add about 10-15 solid pounds as well, not as watery as Dbol though so a perfect lean bulk compound
MHN from what i have read is a mild androgen, high anabolic that will not bring on a ton of water gain, but is not as good as either of the above orals.

NPP at 100mg EOD is really low though.....it is advised to be at least 150, and better off at 200mg EOD. so for me, the comparison is not a good one because you used a subpar dosage of NPP. and if you haven't used Var then how can you even compare? Var blows most orals out of the water, i would think especially so for MHN.

 

[zwhit]

what i have read is people being extremely underwhelmed by it. They have said it was okay, but didn't cause substantial changes to body composition like others that have been mentioned. ive heard about the pumps and fullness, but that it wasn't very good for strength and didn't add much muscle size. it is much milder than superdrol yes, but I was suggesting that strictly based off of the goals he has.

superdrol will add 10-15 pounds of muscle, with almost no bloat, bad back pumps is the side but if you up the Taurine that isn't a problem
anavar will cut you up, maybe add 5 pounds or lose some fat depending on the workouts, and add serious strength
tbol will add about 10-15 solid pounded as well, not as watery as Dbol though so a perfect lean bulk compound
MHN from what i have read is a mild androgen, high anabolic that will not bring on a ton of water gain, but is not as good as either of the above orals.

NPP at 100mg EOD is really low though.....it is advised to be at least 150, and better off at 200mg EOD. so for me, the comparison is not a good one because you used a subpar dosage of NPP. and if you haven't used Var then how can you even compare? Var blows most orals out of the water, i would think especially so for MHN.

Where did i compare anything to var? I only gave my opinion on MHN and compared it to NPP, which i have used. I'm giving info based on what I've used and have experience with, rather than profiles i read online.

30mg MHN was more effective than 100mg npp eod, for me. That is a valid comparison, regardless of what someone tells you a compound should be dosed at. All this "10-15 lbs for this compound" is great in theory, though.

 

[ballslee]

^hahaha okay, well i have run all those compounds and had those gains so that was actual numbers from you know actual cycles.

but your right i haven't run MHN, all i am saying is that it would be more popular if it was actually very effective. it isn't something one would consider one of the 'major' steroids and there is a reason for that.

 

[zwhit]

^hahaha okay, well i have run all those compounds and had those gains so that was actual numbers from you know actual cycles.

but your right i haven't run MHN, all i am saying is that it would be more popular if it was actually very effective. it isn't something one would consider one of the 'major' steroids and there is a reason for that.

you're right. it was purely cosmetic for me.

I was pretty lean and continuing to lean out when I ran it. I was starting to feel a little flat and while on the MHN my muscles were much rounder and fuller without bloat and I was a lot more satisfied with how I looked. so if your goals are similar to that, it could be worthwhile to use

 

[zwhit]

also, I think you're underestimating it. at 30mg/day it was pretty damn effective. I'm sure it could be very useful while in a calories surplus rather than deficit, like I was in.

 

[Deltoid_87]

Three different acting steroids being compared here
Iv used all 3 and this is how it is!

Var for hardness.
Superdrol for strength
Mhn for lean muscle gain.

No water with mhn but Nitrogen retention is crazy thats why u fill out and feel pumped. Im thick as fuck when on mhn.. the size just comes from no where..

 

[Deltoid_87]

Also mhn is rarely used because its hard to find. I only know of one lab that makes it. If more labs did it a lot more people would be running it.
Its also one of the most anabolic compounds out there, 2x as anabolic as tren in fact. Not quite as androgenic.

 

[ballslee]

^okay, well there you go. I think superdrol does a little more than just strength, because it does cause substantial body composition changes and var does help with strength A LOT, but the MHN feedback is good. may need to check it out soon

 

[ballslee]

what would your thoughts be on stacking tren with MHN? too much 19-nor?

 

[zwhit]

what would your thoughts be on stacking tren with MHN? too much 19-nor?

I had no 19nor related sides that I could really feel on MHN but had caber on hand anyway. As long as the doses and duration arent crazy and you have ancillaries are on hand, I think you could be fine. I dehydrated pretty easily on it but it was the middle of the GA summer in 100 degree heat.

Worst side effect I had was constipation lmao

 

[ballslee]

ya i read that it doesnt convert to progesterone, so it should be a fine combo. it will just shut you down wayyyyy hard