var only pct

[DaveTSI]

i tried a search and didnt really find what i was looking for so here goes..

im running a var only soon and i want to know what i should do for pct. im getting hcg so i dont shut down. im only getting 5000iu's so i will start it 2 weeks into the cycle and take 500iu e4d until im out. should i need a pct after this? clomid or nolva, whats every one think?? running 10 wks at 50mg ed.

 

[supervegitto]

I will be trying var very soon for my first time. Curious about answers also, but i don't think var will shut you down so you don't need hcg. Clomid for pct wouldn't hurt.
Everyone praises var so i thought i would try it out for myself and see why. I am not sure what to expect in regards to gains, strength etc. If i take var alone I don't think i will notice i got any bigger since you don't gain that much? wonder if thats true

 

[DaveTSI]

actually though var is very mild, it does shut you down

 

[genarr3]

"im getting hcg so i dont shut down" - This will not prevent HTPA suppresion. The only thing HCG will do for you is restore testicular size This will make recovery easier, but by itself does nothing for recovery<the simple answer>.
Yes you should use either Nolvadex or Clomid post cycle. All steroids will suppress natural test production.

 

[jcam222]

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lol I was just getting ready to ask this same question tonight. I am also getting ready to start a 50mg ED Var only cycle. After tons of research and a host of side concerns that will be my first cycle ever. I read of plenty of people who have gained some quality mass on var only high dose cycles I think. comments on that would be welcome.

I had planned on Nolva for pct but in reading the sticky on pct I see several folks saying that Var DOES shut you down and that HCG is needed. Would love to hear some feedback on that. I have researched my ass off and I cant find a definitive answer on this anywhere. If I have to add HCG I will probably change the cycle entirely. LOL was looking to avoid darts the first go round (maybe asking for a flame there). If I have to poke the HCG I may as well add EQ and maybe even a two week Dbol kickstart.

 

[seymoor]

The theory that Var cannot shut you down is BS - I am currently doing 25mg with nothing else and after 4 weeks my balls have tightened up - I am going to start HCG at 300 IU's twice a week or until my nuts come fully back and following the cycle I will runs clomid for 2 weeks.

 

[DaveTSI]

well then i guess my question is will hcg be necessary with a var only cycle, will the var atrophe the testes enough to bother? im sure it wouldnt be like a gram a week of test correct.

genarr: i read somewhere that hcg makes your body produce test. they said something like 500iu of hcg will make you produce 20mg of natural test. are they wrong?

 

[wnt2bBeast]

"im getting hcg so i dont shut down" - This will not prevent HTPA suppresion. The only thing HCG will do for you is restore testicular size This will make recovery easier, but by itself does nothing for recovery<the simple answer>.
Yes you should use either Nolvadex or Clomid post cycle. All steroids will suppress natural test production.

^^^This answers every question on this thread..Var will shut some down others may not be affected, but why gamble..HCG is not necessary but it cannot hurt to run it near the end of the cycle to prime yourself for pct with either nolva or clomid or both..hcg doesn't make your body produce test it can mimick LH which stimulates the testes to produce test..