Here's example tren ace is 5 times as anabolic and androgenic as test so why waste money taking any test with it? The tren already covers those growth pathways and deca is unnecessary because tren is chemically based off deca. I found winni, anavar, primo, mast all went really nicely with tren. Serge Nubret told me via email you never need more than 75mgs of tren eod take it with 5 dianabol 5xs a day for added mass. He never told me how many actual mgs of dbol that was but I'm assuming 125mgs. Sergio Olivia's old training partner in Chicago said he took one amp of sust daily which he later blamed for ruining his joints. Hed also do the 5 dbol 5xs a day adding 5 winni tabs 5xs a day for shows. Sergios sust use is why I believe he was closer looking to a 90s bodybuilder than 70s or 80s. To hear Sergio and Serge lie about their use was disappointing, they set a standard so now when a pro does tell the truth nobody will believe them. Saying he took 3 dbol haha I guess he didn't realize that for a time dbol was marketed at 5 to 10mgs for women with excessive menstrual pressure, cramp, and headaches