Ur journey before and after TRT.

[badguysingh]

Hey guys jus gathering information here. if u guy can take ur time 2 answer a couple of question about UR TRT joirney.
1.how long did u suffer from low T.
2. How long did u suffer limp dick/low libido/or no sex drive. Months years ??
3. What made u Try TRT thearpy cause when u think about it its a LIFEEE long commitment nd its kind of scary/stressful at first nd then u might get used 2 the protocall.
4. What is ur TRT protocall test dose and Ai or if using HCG. Wt dose?
5. How long after u started did u start having real hard errection and maintaining errection throwout sex.
6.. If u have low sex drive and weak errections or no errection over a year or 2,3,4 or 5 years will TRT get u back on track to having good hard errections?
7.How has it helped u mentally/ ur moode and depression.
8.Do u ever regret TRT.
guys if u can take ur time and answer with detail plz i would really appreciate it.

Just gathering info before i will start TRT. Jus a lil worried if it will work for me or not. nd jus lil scared of should i start. I have read alot of stuff but would like 2 know ppls experience . Thanks and GOD BLESS.

 

[MaxxReps]

I suffered for years with low T. Over 5. I had no sex drive for 5 years.

I am divorced and was single for 5 years after my divorce and didn't really care much but then I got this hot little girlfriend and when she was on my lap making out I felt NOTHING. Its not about ED, its about desire. I had no desire. Thats what finally pushed me to try steroids.

I self administer TRT dose of 200mg/week. I don't use HCG yet. Within weeks I was getting aroused at every female I saw. I was waking up with morning wood, and even had a wet dream for the 2nd time in my life.

Now, it is about 10 months later and I just feel 'normal'. My GF and I have sex quite often, but i have to admit that the TRT has not really helped me perform in bed. I am in my 40's and hate to admit still do have some issues in that department but we are working through them and still have a fantastic sex life regardless. My desire/libido is way up there. I have started making gains again in the gym and don't regret it one bit.

 

[badguysingh]

Maxx reps u said u had no libido for 5 years then u started TRT. nd u also stated u and ur gf have sex often,but Ur still having issues in dat department??
So when u started TRT did dat help u get better errections nd sex drive? i mean may b ur not bak 2 hundred percent like u were when ur were young, but how would u rate date 1-100 how u r errection nd libido, sex drive wise ?

 

[MaxxReps]

First, its kind of hard to read your post with all the abbreviations.

Yeah I have issues with staying hard during sex but like I said we work around them. I can cum if I do myself and she has no problem with sucking me off which I love, and letting me jerk off on or in her so for the times that penetration just won't work as well as I would like we work around it. I also make sure she is completely satisfied however I can - we have an amazing sex life regardless.

Low test is only one potential source of ED or sexual problems. TRT isn't the answer to everything but if you do have low T its a godsend.

Libido + sex drive: 100 (was 0 before trt)
erection: 25 (was 0 before trt)

Also to note I self administer TRT so I'm not 100% sure I have my E in check. Bloodwork is hard to do here once I can afford it I will take a trip to the US and get my blood checked. I am hoping once I get everything as it should my erection probs may get better.

 

[Zyglamail]

Keep in mind most of the time low T is a symptom of a much larger problem. Adding testosterone can help alleviate the symptoms of low T but it does not address the underlying problems.

Its like smashing your thumb with a hammer and splitting it open. You can put a bandaid on it to stop the bleeding BUT it doesnt do anything for the pain or the fact your finger got smashed, you simply addressed one symptom.

 

[MaxxReps]

Zyg, you've beaten that drum so much I think about it all the time. Personally, I think my current ED issues are mostly psychosocial but I am interested to hear your theories on what sort of things outside of hormones and psychological issues cause ED. My BP is excellent as is my lipid profile.

 

[Zyglamail]

Zyg, you've beaten that drum so much I think about it all the time. Personally, I think my current ED issues are mostly psychosocial but I am interested to hear your theories on what sort of things outside of hormones and psychological issues cause ED. My BP is excellent as is my lipid profile.

There are so many possible causes its hard to even know where to start. Lets step back and just talk through the issue, what do we know?

Sex drive is a complex subject it involves an emotional "desire" if you will along with a physiological response (ie an erection) to the emotional desire.

We know that test levels and libido are not necessarily tied tightly together. Many people have no/low libido and test levels are fine. On that same note many people have fairly low test levels and no libido issues at all.

We know that a how/low BP can effect physical performance but doesnt usually affect desire.

We know that low test levels, high/low estrogen levels can also effect physiological response as well as desire but once again not a clear cut 1:1 connection.

For many with a weak physical response testosterone (and estrogen control if needed) seems to help where desire is not an issue. It can also help with desire for many. I know personally when my test was low my desire was there but not as strong. For some, high test levels can make the desire very strong, almost problematic.

There is a well documented connection between thyroid function and sex hormone production. Actually thyroid function is related to all hormone production in the body, not just sex hormones.

There are many nutrients that are crucial to the proper functioning of sex organs as well as the thyroid. Specifically iodine is a crucial element needed by both the thyroid AND both male and female sex organs.

Google hypothyroidism and you will frequently see sexual function listed as a symptom.

Heck if you google "<nutrient name> deficiency" a good portion of nutrients will have a direct impact on sexual function.

Whats involved with "desire"? Its hard to quantify what desire is, its a feeling, a longing. So ask yourself, what kind of disorders/diseases/conditions are there that have to do with the brain and feelings? ADD, ADHD, alzheimers, dementia, asburgers, autism, depression and the list goes on. If you spend enough time researching these various things you will once again start to see trends and various things these conditions have in common. Many of them are associated with certain nutrient deficiencies, specifically those responsible for nerves like B12, B9, SAMe, melatonin etc. Other common factors are various toxins either due to direct exposure or due to waste products and/or influence from intestinal pathogens.

Many heavy metals collect on the blood brain barrier and certain nutrients like methylcobalamin (ie the form of b12 our body uses) bind to these heavy metals and are filtered and excreted via urine. In doing so the required B12 that our brains need for proper nerve signaling never makes it to the brain.

There are also gene abnormalities that reduce peoples ability to make use of various nutrients. Simply getting older also makes our bodies less efficient and getting certain nutrients as well.

Its very rarely as simple as just take this or that supplement and your problem will be fixed. It generally involves careful trial and error, adding things in in stages and evaluating the results over weeks or months. The good news is that many supplements can be taken to excess without causing problems. Others should ideally be consumed in a direct relationship with 1 or more other supplements to make sure your not intentionally causing any imbalances that bring about problems.

 

[pdelta]

I've been on TRT for about 9 months. Low T in the 200 range. I started out with Androgel but have switched to AndroForte5. It's much cheaper and works well. My libido is much improved as is my overall wellbeing. I have two issues that concern me. One my PSA took a pretty big jump when I first stated but seems to have stabilized. Second my pre-existing glandular gyno has flared its ugly head. I'm countering with formestane and Novadex and its much better but it hasn’t completely subsided. I may try [FONT=&quot]Letrozole if these two items don’t work. [/FONT]As long as I can control these two issues I will probably be on TRT the rest of my life.

 

[MaxxReps]

There are so many possible causes its hard to even know where to start.

Not to derail this thread too much but I find it interesting where its going. I am going to look into my thyroid function/health but I don't seem to have other symptoms.

sexual physical performance and libido issues are complex, and can be caused by each other. Physical issues can cause anxiety and depression which can lead to libido/desire issues. I think in my case my performance issues are mostly psychological as I don't seem to have a problem until it comes time to perform. Even with ED drugs I get incredibly hard very easily but still have issues when its time to perform.

To keep things somewhat on topic, I will reiterate the fact that taking testosterone has greatly increased my desire/libido. Now I'm not sure whats worse - having no libido/desire and ED, or having a large libido/desire and not able to perform to your satisfaction. TRT isn't everything its just one piece of the puzzle.

 

[Zyglamail]

Dont get me wrong, im on TRT myself but I also realize its a symptoms of a bigger issue and it can take quite some time to identify and resolve the bigger issue. In the mean time TRT helps in many areas.

The OP does seem somewhat concerned over taking the plunge and I just wanted to let him know that TRT can be of great benefit bit it also, more often than not, does not solve 100% of the issues most men seek out TRT for.

I've been on TRT for about 9 months. Low T in the 200 range. I started out with Androgel but have switched to AndroForte5. It's much cheaper and works well. My libido is much improved as is my overall wellbeing. I have two issues that concern me. One my PSA took a pretty big jump when I first stated but seems to have stabilized. Second my pre-existing glandular gyno has flared its ugly head. I'm countering with formestane and Novadex and its much better but it hasn’t completely subsided. I may try [FONT=&quot]Letrozole if these two items don’t work. [/FONT]As long as I can control these two issues I will probably be on TRT the rest of my life.

Many people who suffer BPH and various prostate issues have gotten complete reversal of symptoms by iodine supplementation. Iodine plays a critical role on testicular and prostate health as well as breast tissue. While generally its women who find significant help with breast tissue and iodine supplementation it wouldnt surprise me if it will benefit men as well. If I remember correctly your already looking to that so it will be nice to see how your PSA changes as your body becomes more iodine sufficient.

If I were lay down a basic game plane for someone with any issue it would be to first take an iodine loading test, about $100 and see if your deficient in iodine and if so then start up an iodine supplementation protocol including various co supplements like selenium.

Next I would say get a comprehensive GI diagnostic test, This can be ordered online and runs around $300 from Doctors data or genova diagnostics. This will let you know if you have any intenstical pathogens to worry about, its a lot more common than most people would realize. If present treat as needed.

After the detox often associated with the above settle down I would look at the various methylation components and try them, one by one titrating each up to significant doses to see if you have any response before moving to the next.


MaxxReps, pathogens, toxins and lack of methylation nutrients can all wreak havoc on ones mental state of well being. They interfere with neural signaling and proper release of various chemicals that affect the brain. As to thyroid function, there is very little in the way of tests that can actually tell you if your thyroid is functioning optimally. Look at it this way, T3 is the primary thyroid hormone, lab range considered normal is typically 2.3- 4.2 pg/mL.

To put it in terms to better highlight my point, lets look at test levels, typical lab range is 300 to 1000 ng/dL. Now if the highest your test levels have ever been is 400 and they are currently 400 then one could assume that for YOU 400 is an optimal natural number but I think both you and I can agree that if possible we would much rather have a natural level of say 700 .

The problem is most people dont have regular blood work throughput their life, they dont have a running average year after year. So when you roll into the doc at 45 years old and get thyroid lab tests done and everything comes back in say middle range, say 3.2pg/ml, and the doc says you are good to go BUT what if 5 years earlier your levels were actually 3.7 but you never got a test so you dont actually know that?

The point I am making is that without accurate historical data your current levels, if within lab range, simply means you dont qualify to have a syndrome like hypothyroidism written down in your chart. It does absolutely nothing to tell you if your thyroid function cant be improved.

There are all sorts of clinical studies linking underfunctioning thyroid to low sex hormone levels. So the fact that you have low test and I assume all the related symptoms also means you have the symptoms of an underfunctioning thyroid. According to Dr. Brownstien, he has all his new patients take an iodine loading test when they first see him and 95% of the multiple thousands of patients he has seen over the years are iodine deficient. So what that means is even if they are not currently exhibiting thyroid issues, they will seen enough. A much better way to judge thyroid function is simply take an iodine loading test. If your not iodine sufficient then you can just about gaurantee that your thyroid will function better with the addition of iodine and selenium.

 

[badguysingh]

Guys lets stay on topic nd not get into all this extra bull..
ZYY i think u have beat that dead horse many many times, no diss respect. This post was for asking ppl there journeyy. i have got blood work on pretty much everything u can freakin test for my cause. nd everythjng was fine . Tyroid and hella other shit. Cholestrol was a tiny bit up . i mean everything else is ok.. trust me when i say i got tested for hella shit cause for me TRT was gonna b my last resort when i had tried diet,excercise,etc...every 1 gonna have low T at sometime in there life it could b at 18 for unlucky person or 30 or 50 but most ppl will b low at 35. anyhow " i keep hearing ppl say o some guys can have low T and super high libido and errections, dude i havent came across 1 person dat would say dat" all the guys i have talked 2 on here or other forums or in person say they have low T nd no libido or sex drive etc... Not 2 dissredpect any 1. but lets keep this on topic plz and get ppls real answers on there Journey so every 1 that on here going thru this can learn a thing or 2. GOD BLESS

 

[Zyglamail]

i have got blood work on pretty much everything u can freakin test for my cause. nd everythjng was fine . Tyroid and hella other shit. Cholestrol was a tiny bit up . i mean everything else is ok.

This is where you are totally wrong, everything is not fine and your low T proves it. As I have explained lab tests for thyroid function dont mean shit and you have not been tested for pretty much everything I guarantee it.

Sorry for trying to help you out. Your clearly snowed by the medical community and dont have enough common sense nor drive and ambition to educate yourself beyond 7th grade biology and thats fine, your life, your body. Enjoy!

 

[badguysingh]

Lol ^^^. Ur welcome.... Again ppl lets stay on topic ... if u would like 2 let me no how was ur journey before and after and answer those question i would appericiate that .