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update : Sealed records actually DO show up during background checks

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When doing a background check on my neighbor, his arrest for possession did show up.

It did not show if he was convicted because the airlines left him a message and asked him for more information regarding "the instance that was returned on your background check".

They said they need to get some info about it from him, but basically it comes down to that the arrest showed up, but not the outcome.

Now this is weird. Because at his last job with the company that closed, they did a background check too once a year, and nothing should up at all (his instance was in 1999).

So I guess expunging the record is next????? Does he have to go back to the state it occured in (SC)?
 
did he get the airline job?
 
AAP said:
When doing a background check on my neighbor, his arrest for possession did show up.

It did not show if he was convicted because the airlines left him a message and asked him for more information regarding "the instance that was returned on your background check".

They said they need to get some info about it from him, but basically it comes down to that the arrest showed up, but not the outcome.

Now this is weird. Because at his last job with the company that closed, they did a background check too once a year, and nothing should up at all (his instance was in 1999).

So I guess expunging the record is next????? Does he have to go back to the state it occured in (SC)?
How to expunge a record varies from state to state, but he would have to do it in SC.

Yeah, I knew the conviction wouldn't show but that the arrest may show. States are getting better and better at documenting and being connected.
 
heatherrae said:
How to expunge a record varies from state to state, but he would have to do it in SC.

Yeah, I knew the conviction wouldn't show but that the arrest may show. States are getting better and better at documenting and being connected.


So he really ain't got shit to tell them. I mean, what defense do you have for when someone asks you about an arrest they already know about?

He did 3 years probation - that doesn't show.

Basically they want to know the outcome of the arrest charges and what happened. Hell what can he say?
 
AAP said:
So he really ain't got shit to tell them. I mean, what defense do you have for when someone asks you about an arrest they already know about?

He did 3 years probation - that doesn't show.

Basically they want to know the outcome of the arrest charges and what happened. Hell what can he say?
Let's just put it this way, no matter what he said, they really couldn't verify it. ;-)
 
heatherrae said:
Let's just put it this way, no matter what he said, they really couldn't verify it. ;-)


No, but they could ask for him to submit the court's disposition of the case before offering him a job couldn't they?
 
What is the purpose of sealing a record versus expunging it altogether? I would resist at all costs for privacy reasons. The record is sealed for a reason. If they insist then make something up - arrested for suspicion of possession but charges dropped because it turned out to be something or belonged to someone else.
 
AAP said:
No, but they could ask for him to submit the court's disposition of the case before offering him a job couldn't they?
He should just say he can't get records.
 
He basically just gave up. It was $9 an hour with a pipe dream of him moving into their IT department down the road.

He should just go and get it expunged. But that takes a lawyer I suppose... whonder how much they charge.
 
AAP said:
He basically just gave up. It was $9 an hour with a pipe dream of him moving into their IT department down the road.

He should just go and get it expunged. But that takes a lawyer I suppose... whonder how much they charge.
I charged $150/hr for that. That would take me about 3 hours to do it all, including the court appearance so long as it was in my county. It would be more for me to travel to another county. This varies lots from city to city. I tried to be very efficient and reasonable.
 
heatherrae said:
He should just say he can't get records.

Then I wouldn't give him the job unless he's some kind of unreplacable worker with a very rare skill. That's what most employers here do with sealed records. Better provide some justification cause otherwise someone else is gonna take that job away from you.
 
manny78 said:
Then I wouldn't give him the job unless he's some kind of unreplacable worker with a very rare skill. That's what most employers here do with sealed records. Better provide some justification cause otherwise someone else is gonna take that job away from you.


Yeah, I told him why waste his time.
 
heatherrae said:
I charged $150/hr for that. That would take me about 3 hours to do it all, including the court appearance so long as it was in my county. It would be more for me to travel to another county. This varies lots from city to city. I tried to be very efficient and reasonable.


So basically he just gives you some info and you fill out paperwork and submit it to the judge?

I was thinking it took something $2000 or so.
 
I wonder what my record looks like. I have been placed under arrest but never charged with anything. I wonder if that stuff is in there. Really, if you ask me, it's none of anybody else's business and if someone didn't want to hire me based on that, being the god-fearing respectable citizen that I am, I'd rob them blind and kill their whole family.
 
AAP said:
So basically he just gives you some info and you fill out paperwork and submit it to the judge?

I was thinking it took something $2000 or so.
Well, that is just what I charged. Here in Kentucky, they have a preprinted form provided by the Administrative Office of the Courts. You just fill it out and make the court appearance with the client. In other states, the pleading may or may not be on a form. They may have to draft it. What a lawyer in a small town in kentucky is likely to charge for this may be far less than one is Chicago or New York would charge. He just needs to ask around for a good criminal defense attorney to help him out. He doesn't really need F. Lee Bailey for an expungement, just a good competent lawyer. Pretty much if he meets the statutory requirements, it will be granted. If he doesn't, it wont.
 
Just tell them he was arrested for it because a car he was in was pulled over and someone had something illegal on on them... everyone was booked, but he was never charged.

You lie.

End of story.

Yeah it doesn't look good, too late for that.
 
mountain muscle said:
It wouldn't matter if it was expunged. LE, Feds and any Federal Agency (FAA) can still see it on your record.


is that so?

What's the point then?
 
heatherrae said:
Well, that is just what I charged. Here in Kentucky, they have a preprinted form provided by the Administrative Office of the Courts. You just fill it out and make the court appearance with the client. In other states, the pleading may or may not be on a form. They may have to draft it. What a lawyer in a small town in kentucky is likely to charge for this may be far less than one is Chicago or New York would charge. He just needs to ask around for a good criminal defense attorney to help him out. He doesn't really need F. Lee Bailey for an expungement, just a good competent lawyer. Pretty much if he meets the statutory requirements, it will be granted. If he doesn't, it wont.


Does he have to go to the county he was arrested in or just any part of the state?

Also, do lawyers charge per each record they expunge or does the one time thing expunge everything on the record?
 
AAP said:
is that so?

What's the point then?

Local companies and agencies cannot access the info, that is all. Even though it is only $9/hr the airport does some serious checking as they should.

Remember when teachers used to threaten you with, "It's going on your permanent record."
There actually is one.
BTW you still owe a late book fee from 2nd grade.
 
mountain muscle said:
Local companies and agencies cannot access the info, that is all. Even though it is only $9/hr the airport does some serious checking as they should.

Remember when teachers used to threaten you with, "It's going on your permanent record."
There actually is one.
BTW you still owe a late book fee from 2nd grade.


Well fuck. There goes all my fucking buddy passes. :mad:
 
AAP said:
Does he have to go to the county he was arrested in or just any part of the state?

Also, do lawyers charge per each record they expunge or does the one time thing expunge everything on the record?
In Ky, you do them in the state in which they are filed. Hmmmm...on the extra fees for extra convictions. I don't know what the rule is in other states but here if you have extra charges, you can't get an expungement. That is one of the rules here.

You know, he should just explain it to them. It may not preclude him from getting the job, anyway. I don't know how they are.


PS -- I didn't think of that, Mountain Muscle, but it makes sense that the feds would find it. I wasn't taking the FAA into account. Makes sense.
 
heatherrae said:
In Ky, you do them in the state in which they are filed. Hmmmm...on the extra fees for extra convictions. I don't know what the rule is in other states but here if you have extra charges, you can't get an expungement. That is one of the rules here.

You know, he should just explain it to them. It may not preclude him from getting the job, anyway. I don't know how they are.


PS -- I didn't think of that, Mountain Muscle, but it makes sense that the feds would find it. I wasn't taking the FAA into account. Makes sense.


So if you have two (one a misdemeanor - fight at a football game in highschool) charges, you can't expunge the more serious one?
 
AAP said:
So if you have two (one a misdemeanor - fight at a football game in highschool) charges, you can't expunge the more serious one?
Not in ky. Here it has to be a certain amount of time that has passed and you cannot have been convicted of another crime since the first. he really should just talk to a lawyer in SC. I have no idea about their rules for expungement.
 
http://www.scsolicitor9.org/expungement.htm

Here dude. Here are the rules for South Carolina for expungements.

Expungement Information

An "Expungement" is the destruction or obliteration of criminal records relating to an arrest or a conviction. South Carolina law allows for the destruction of arrest and/or conviction information under the following limited circumstances.

DISMISSAL OR NON CONVICTION OF OFFENSE

Pursuant to South Carolina Code of Laws § 17-1-40, the arrest and booking record, files, mug shots, and fingerprints of any person, who after being charged with a criminal offense and such charge is discharged or proceedings against such person dismissed or is found to be innocent of such charge, shall be destroyed and no evidence of such record pertaining to such charge shall be retained by any municipal, county or State law enforcement agency

SUCCESSFUL COMPLETION OF PRE-TRIAL INTERVENTION

Pre-trial Intervention is a diversion program for first-time non-violent criminal offenders. Participants are required to perform, among other things, community restitution and make monetary restitution to their victims. South Carolina Code of Laws § 17-22-150 allows offenders, who successfully complete the pretrial intervention program to apply to the court for an order to destroy all official records relating to his arrest. The effect of the order is to restore the person, in the contemplation of the law, to the status he occupied before the arrest. No person, as to whom the order has been entered, may be held thereafter under any provision of any law to be guilty of perjury or otherwise giving a false statement by reason of his failure to recite or acknowledge the arrest in response to any inquiry made of him for any purpose.

FRAUDULENT CHECKS

After a first offense conviction of fraudulent intent in drawing check, draft or other written order, the defendant may, after one year from the date of the conviction, apply, or cause someone acting on his behalf to apply, to the court for an order expunging the records of the arrest and conviction. This provision does not apply to any crime classified as a felony (that is, any check valued in excess of Five Thousand Dollars). If the defendant has had no other conviction during the one-year period following the conviction under this section, the court shall issue an order expunging the records. No person has any rights under this section more than one time. See South Carolina Code of Laws § 34-11-90(e).

SIMPLE POSSESSION OF MARIJUANA – First Offense

Pursuant to South Carolina Code of Laws § 44-53-450(b), any person, not over the age of twenty-five, who has been sentenced to a "Conditional Discharge" for their first offense of simple possession of marijuana, may, upon completion of the sentencing requirements, apply to the court for an order to expunge from all official records all information relating to his arrest, indictment, trial, finding of guilty, and dismissal and discharge pursuant to this section. No person as to whom such order has been entered shall be held thereafter under any provision of any law to be guilty of perjury or otherwise giving a false statement by reason of his failures to recite or acknowledge such arrest, or indictment or information, or trial in response to any inquiry made of him for any purpose.

FIRST OFFENSE CONVICTIONS IN MAGISTRATE’S OR MUNICIPAL COURT

Under South Carolina Code of Laws § 22-5-910, a defendant may apply three years after the date of the conviction for an order expunging the records of the arrest and conviction of a first offense conviction in a magistrate's court or a municipal court. However, this section does not apply to any of the following offenses:

Offenses involving the operation of a motor vehicle,

Violations of Title 50 (Fish, Game and Watercraft) or the regulations promulgated under it for which points are assessed, suspension provided for, or enhanced penalties for subsequent offenses authorized,

Offenses contained in Chapter 25 of Title 16 (Criminal Domestic Violence).

If the defendant has had no other conviction during the three-year period following the first offense conviction in a magistrate's court or a municipal court, the circuit court may issue an order expunging the records. No person may have his records expunged under this section more than once.

The office of the South Carolina Court Administration has designed a form Order which must be used for all expungements. The Order must be consented to by the Circuit Solicitor and approved and signed by the Circuit Judge.

The Solicitor will consent to every case in which a properly completed proposed Order is presented to him along with all documentation, certification from the Court, and prior criminal record check necessary to confirm that the defendant is lawfully entitled to the expungement. There is no charge for the Solicitor’s consent to the proposed Order.
 
heatherrae said:
I charged $150/hr for that. That would take me about 3 hours to do it all, including the court appearance so long as it was in my county. It would be more for me to travel to another county. This varies lots from city to city. I tried to be very efficient and reasonable.


You just sounded really sexy.





-BRR
 
HR - so what's that mean? His first for the fight was Pretrail Intervention.. he was never handcuffed, arrested or what. Just had to call in by phone to a probation officer.

His second for possession was filed under First Offenders motions and after he completed his probation, his records sealed.
 
AAP said:
HR - so what's that mean? His first for the fight was Pretrail Intervention.. he was never handcuffed, arrested or what. Just had to call in by phone to a probation officer.

His second for possession was filed under First Offenders motions and after he completed his probation, his records sealed.
Normally, pre-trial intervention programs mean that the case is dismissed after the requisite amount of time. This means he could have had it expunged inder South Carolina Code of Laws § 17-1-40.

For the second charge, are we talking about possession of marijuana? If so he could get it expunged after completion of a conditional discharge. Otherwise, under South Carolina Code of Laws § 44-53-450(b), he can get it expunged if it has been at least 3 years ago and he hasn't done anything since then. The exceptions to that rule are domestic violence charges and Fishing and Wildlife type charges.


NONE OF THAT IS LEGAL ADVICE. =-) I'm just copying and pasting the website for you. Your friend should seek a lawyer in SC to explain it better.

Hope that helped.
 
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