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Update 6-5-06

slat1

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Previous thread... http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=471650

Went to the dr's.
Last time I went she expressed concern that my LH and FSH were low. FSH and LH control the signal that tell yoru testicals to produce testosterone. She said that if the numbers did not go up that she would like to run an MRI to rule out a tumor.
Well, my test levels went from 302 ng/dl to 491 ng/dl. My FSH and LH went from 4 and 5 to 3 and 4, respectively.
Her conclusion "Everything looks good"
I asked her about my FSH and LH dropping. She said those numbers were not important...
WTF?!?
She also said 491 ng/dl was normal.
So I am scheduled to go back in four months.

Me right now = BULLSHIT
 
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Mr. Black said:
Most docs are truly fucking clueless. Time to take matters into your own hands...
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Did that last night. The summer will be fine then I will run some serious PCT. A few weeks later I go into to get my levels checked again.
In the mean time a buddy of mine who is a Dr is talking to another one who specializes in this stuff. I may wind up with him.
 
slat1 said:
Did that last night. The summer will be fine then I will run some serious PCT. A few weeks later I go into to get my levels checked again.
In the mean time a buddy of mine who is a Dr is talking to another one who specializes in this stuff. I may wind up with him.
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You gonna run a minor dose of test?
 
Mr. Black said:
You gonna run a minor dose of test?
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Nope. More then minor...

test ent 500mg's wk 1-10
tren ent 500mg's wk 1-10

Fuck doing things the right way. Other guys at my gym had one blood test and the Dr's helped them out. I have been strung along for nine months.
 
As I have found out from personal experience, evey successive cycle that you run with out recovering to your Pre-AAS baseline test value....the harder it will be to achieve true homeostatis within your HPTA. You sure you want to run a cycle right now? You might just further fuck things up...if I were you I'd Run the aggressive PCT now. Then afterwards if you are still feeling like shit, run the cycle knowing HRT is your way out. That just my opinion...good luck with whatever you choose.
 
You have been through hell watching those numbers and not getting any real help.

It seems to me that the improvement is significant. Your natural system is on and climbing. The unknown is ... Where should it be at?

My Dr pushes for top of the range .... +1,000. And it takes supplemental test to get there ... just a little. To get fast, impressive gains is the work of a cycle pushing the number to 1,500 - 2,000 minimum. However, if you do that you have to go through the recovery bs.

What about plain old test e,c or p ... 250 mg total a week? No tren or deca or anything else. Keep it simple. HGH is good stuff too.
 
id go for aggresive pct nolva 20mg 6 weeks clomid 4 weeks 100mg and some shots of hcg...1500 every 4th day or so for 3 weeks or so

and if u dont recover then...well see how it goes.

if u cycle now in the end u wont know whats goin on..was t last cycle was it prev cycle is it stress, something else...pretty much where im at now lol

im just sitting back for a while and will be havin tests ina month again

then go from there
 
Zircon said:
id go for aggresive pct nolva 20mg 6 weeks clomid 4 weeks 100mg and some shots of hcg...1500 every 4th day or so for 3 weeks or so

and if u dont recover then...well see how it goes.

if u cycle now in the end u wont know whats goin on..was t last cycle was it prev cycle is it stress, something else...pretty much where im at now lol

im just sitting back for a while and will be havin tests ina month again

then go from there
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The hcg is going to shut his hpta down fully he might as well do the cycle then if thats the case
 
slat1 said:
Previous thread... http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=471650

Went to the dr's.
Last time I went she expressed concern that my LH and FSH were low. FSH and LH control the signal that tell yoru testicals to produce testosterone. She said that if the numbers did not go up that she would like to run an MRI to rule out a tumor.
Well, my test levels went from 302 ng/dl to 491 ng/dl. My FSH and LH went from 4 and 5 to 3 and 4, respectively.
Her conclusion "Everything looks good"
I asked her about my FSH and LH dropping. She said those numbers were not important...
WTF?!?
She also said 491 ng/dl was normal.
So I am scheduled to go back in four months.

Me right now = BULLSHIT
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shes right you want low FSH and LH with good test levels unfortunatly your test levels are not good but no GP or endro will ever recognise this as they are within range you need to see a hrt specialist they will sort it out rapid
 
yeh ive seen ppl say that...and yet some ppl recommend hcg big shots even tho not on cycle. I agree with you though it woudl shut you down.

any ideas?

But its a good idea to just try and get your best baseline...and if something is wrong...then u can go and fix it. Otherwise in between doing cycles etc, you just never sure whether u stand...whetehr it was the last cycle u did...or a genuine problem.
 
Go to Dr John from All things Male. Or find someone who specializes in hrt / endo issues. There are many that specialize in holistic meds also.

Changed my life years ago bro. PM me if ya need info.....
 
I don't think you need 500mg bro...I am going jump on 250mg/week here shortly and maybe toss in a very mild dose of ar or eq, but nothing major. Lean mass gains + the feel good feeling.........
 
Zircon said:
yeh ive seen ppl say that...and yet some ppl recommend hcg big shots even tho not on cycle. I agree with you though it woudl shut you down.

any ideas?

But its a good idea to just try and get your best baseline...and if something is wrong...then u can go and fix it. Otherwise in between doing cycles etc, you just never sure whether u stand...whetehr it was the last cycle u did...or a genuine problem.
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Yeah he would really of needed tests from before any cycle or so we would know if it is steroid induced or not aggressive clomid/nova could be tried. He could use hcg to get back function and then clomid to maintain this.
If it is steroid induced look into Dr Michael Scally.
 
Yeh look m,y levels are not great either...I'm sittign on 490 as a 28 year old. DOne a coupla short cycles...btu right now I'm nto sure if its cos of the cycles I did, or just if its normal, because I enever had a baseline test done. Stupid.

SO now I have to perhaps do a 4-5 week nolva pct, wait and see how it goes, and then assume that baseline, and go from there. It's not perfect, but it points out how it messes with your assumptions if u dont knwo wht you're dealing with rigth from the start.
 
hey bro, read both your threads, very interested. im a young guy, started too young im sure, but still like to read others experiences. I was wondering about how many cycles have you done? also how old are you? i did not see this in your posts. So basicly your test levels climbed on their own to a higher, acceptable level?
 
Sorry I have not been on lately. I keep getting kicked off this site by Microsoft for some reason after about 20 seconds.
I ran that cycle. I figured it would kill my test levels and my endo would finally step to the place.
At the end I ran hcg at 500ius/day for ten days with 1mg of adex. I kept up the adex after the esters cleared for a month.

A couple of weeks later they took my blood. I am still waiting on some results.
Here is what I have so far:

LH was 3 is now 26

FSH was 4 is now 13

Testosterone was 284 is now 411

Total testosterone = pending
Percent Bioavailable = pending
Bioavailable testos = pending
Sex Hormone B G = pending
Albumin = pending

What do you guys think?
 
slat1 said:
Sorry I have not been on lately. I keep getting kicked off this site by Microsoft for some reason after about 20 seconds.
I ran that cycle. I figured it would kill my test levels and my endo would finally step to the place.
At the end I ran hcg at 500ius/day for ten days with 1mg of adex. I kept up the adex after the esters cleared for a month.

A couple of weeks later they took my blood. I am still waiting on some results.
Here is what I have so far:

LH was 3 is now 26

FSH was 4 is now 13

Testosterone was 284 is now 411

Total testosterone = pending
Percent Bioavailable = pending
Bioavailable testos = pending
Sex Hormone B G = pending
Albumin = pending

What do you guys think?
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slat how far out fro PCT completion were you when these tests were done? The rise in test levels is encouraging IMO
 
bilter said:
slat how far out fro PCT completion were you when these tests were done? The rise in test levels is encouraging IMO
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A week maybe. I actually wound up using Nolv for a few days before I found out about the blood work. I believe I had stopped for at least 6 days prior to the test.
 
I would get another test in 3 or 4 weeks. I think 6-7 days is too close to PCT to assume the levels are what will be normally produced by your body. I hope they are as good or better, you've been dealing with this for a long time now.
 
took my Doc 3 years. Well actually I went through 2 doc before proper diagnosis. They first 2 were more than eager to just diagnose me with general depression and put me on zoloft and then celexa. I changed Dr and asked to have my test levels checked thy came in low so he presrobe TRT. So now he has left his practice and the Dr that took over decided to charge an office visit for a shot. I can't afford that crap so I am back to treating myself (I do still have a script though). Most Drs are so closed minded and uneducated in these circumstances. I even had one PA ask me if I had been experiencing chest pains since starting TRT! I have done a lot of research and never have read anywhere of chest pains being a side of 200mg of test PW.
Best of luck to you Slat and keep us informed. There are more of us out there than one would expect.
 
My Dr. didn't even blink an eye at my FSH and LH readings! They were going down each time and then all of a sudden BLAM they were improving or double the high end of the scale. That was the nail in her coffin.
I did convince her to prescribe some levitra.. LOL. It probably costs more then the other places though.
 
In addition to a new doc, you should (as already mentioned) get LH/FSH tested again so you know whether the high numbers are caused by testicular problems (which the body would try to compensate for by producing more LH/FSH) or just residual HCG. Also, in the future, could you post reference ranges along with your numbers? I know they don't differ much from lab to lab, but it's still nice to have them.
 
437...ng/dl i assume.

Mine are 500 and I'm 29. Also feel im often a bit on the low side...but in cpl years will consider trt. under 400 im sure i'll do it.

I'd like to see lh with those figures so we can check whats goin on with feedback loop etc.

how long was this last test done after ur last nolva tab?
 
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