upcoming cycle - need critique

[leonidas33]

33... 200lbs 6'3"... not first cycle...

currently cruising at 175mg/week cypionate, 3iu hgh (5on2off), 500hcg ew...

1-12 test prop ED 100mg
1-12 equipoise ED 55mg (heard anything over 400mg/wk is not result/cost effective)
1-8 tren ace ED 75mg
continue with hgh and hcg...

PCT... back to cruise dosages...

basically a standard tren cycle with the equipoise thrown in... looking for the appetite increase with the equipoise.

opinions?

 

[needtogetaas]

33... 200lbs 6'3"... not first cycle...

currently cruising at 175mg/week cypionate, 3iu human growth hormone - somatropin - (5on2off), 500hcg ew...

1-12 test testosterone propionate ED 100mg
1-12 equipoise ED 55mg (heard anything over 400mg/wk is not result/cost effective)
1-8 trenbolone ace ED 75mg
continue with human growth hormone - somatropin - and HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - ...

PCT - post cycle therapy - ... back to cruise dosages...

basically a standard trenbolone cycle with the equipoise thrown in... looking for the appetite increase with the equipoise.

opinions?

why are you running the eq ed? Ar you using it to cut the prop pain.
Yes you want to run eq at 400mg ew or higher for at least 14 weeks.
Rest of the cycle is fine.

 

[galaxy]

Yeah, why all the ed injects? If your fine with it, than ok, but me, Id do 750mgs testE and 600mgs Eq.

Not sure about the cost to effective thing. I know anything under 400mgs and you wouldnt be happy, but I think 600mgs would definately be worth it.

 

[leonidas33]

why are you running the Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - ed? Ar you using it to cut the testosterone propionate pain.
Yes you want to run Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - at 400mg ew or higher for at least 14 weeks.
Rest of the cycle is fine.

i will be honest and say i havn't heard of it cutting the testosterone propionate pain (so that sounds like a nice bonus)... i just figured i would shoot it ED with the rest of the gear... i reckon after the 8th week I will go to EOD (or even every 3 days) on the testosterone propionate and Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - , OR should I keep it ED? OR even switch to sustanon and go 2 times a week injections...??? Is it ok to switch tests in mid cycle? Prop to Sustanon?

 

[leonidas33]

anyone?

 

[GUARDIAN]

i will be honest and say i havn't heard of it cutting the testosterone propionate pain (so that sounds like a nice bonus)... i just figured i would shoot it ED with the rest of the gear... i reckon after the 8th week I will go to EOD (or even every 3 days) on the testosterone propionate and Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - , OR should I keep it ED? OR even switch to sustanon and go 2 times a week injections...??? Is it ok to switch tests in mid cycle? Prop to Sustanon?

EOD is fine for the prop and EQ (if u r using the EQ to cut the prop)

u can switch to prop mid cycle if u like but i would start it a few weeks early to give the cyp a chance to build up levels, this really all depends on your dose of sus and how u inject it. but i personally believe sus should be EOD as well and used for higher dose cycles so u r taking advantage of the prop. if your dose is high enuf u could drop the prop and transition to the sus with no problems.

 

[njmuscleguy]

Is there a reason you're opting for 12 weeks of ED or EOD pokes? If you insist on running tr-en ace, then fine....8 weeks of frequent pokes it is... if you run Sustanon from the start, you save yourself a few weeks of daily or EOD pokes... at least you'll have the prop ester in there (and the tr-en ace) that act very quickly from the start if that's a concern for you.

 

[leonidas33]

Is there a reason you're opting for 12 weeks of ED or EOD pokes? If you insist on running tr-en ace, then fine....8 weeks of frequent pokes it is... if you run Sustanon from the start, you save yourself a few weeks of daily or EOD pokes... at least you'll have the testosterone propionate ester in there (and the tr-en ace) that act very quickly from the start if that's a concern for you.

thats what i am trying to figure out... is it ok to run the tren/prop ED for first eight weeks... then switch to sustanon/equipoise twice a week for the last 4 weeks?

 

[GUARDIAN]

thats what i am trying to figure out... is it ok to run the tren/prop ED for first eight weeks... then switch to sustanon/equipoise twice a week for the last 4 weeks?

I can agree with the tren/prop ED for first eight weeks.

But I still dont agree with 2X for the sus, EOD imo. 2X for the EQ is fine. What dose were u planning on running for the sus?

 

[leonidas33]

I can agree with the trenbolone/testosterone propionate ED for first eight weeks.

But I still dont agree with 2X for the sus, EOD imo. 2X for the Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - is fine. What dose were u planning on running for the sus?

500mg sustanon a week for last 4 weeks... along with the 400mg a week eq for last 4 weeks.

 

[GUARDIAN]

500mg sustanon a week for last 4 weeks... along with the 400mg a week eq for last 4 weeks.

for that "low" of a dose u wont get much out of the prop in the sus. so go ahead with the 2X ew.

fyi-as i said earlier there may be a little bit of a "lag" waiting for the cyp levels to build up.

 

[leonidas33]

thanks for the input... so revised cycle looks like this...

1-8 tren ace @ 75mg ED
1-8 test prop @ 100mg ED
1-8 Equipoise @ 60mg ED
9-12 test sustanon 250mg Mon 250mg Thur
9-12 Equipoise 200 Mon 200 Thur

 

[njmuscleguy]

I don't think switching to sustanon in the last few weeks is a great idea - there are some pretty long-acting esters there that will take a while to build-up...only to have the cycle terminated shortly after... why not run the sustanon from the start and skip the prop? Then when you're done with the tr-en at Week 8, you just continue with the sustanon and E Q, at twice-a-week injections now, for another 4 weeks.

 

[leonidas33]

I don't think switching to sustanon in the last few weeks is a great idea - there are some pretty long-acting esters there that will take a while to build-up...only to have the cycle terminated shortly after... why not run the sustanon from the start and skip the testosterone propionate? Then when you're done with the tr-en at Week 8, you just continue with the sustanon and E Q, at twice-a-week injections now, for another 4 weeks.

I read one of your threads about trenbolone/testosterone propionate and it got me kinda excited. Um would you opt for proprionate the whole cycle or sustanon??? Of course the only downfall to proprionate is that it would need EOD injections the entire 12 weeks which would suk.

 

[Para_Shoot]

thanks for the input... so revised cycle looks like this...

1-8 trenbolone ace @ 75mg ED
1-8 test testosterone propionate @ 100mg ED
1-8 Equipoise @ 60mg ED
9-12 test sustanon 250mg Mon 250mg Thur
9-12 Equipoise 200 Mon 200 Thur

Whats the purpose in test prop ed? It's the propianate ester, not the acetate ester or plain old suspension. It's gonna release over 3~4 days any way, your not going to hurry it up by injection ed. As far as the EQ ed, thats useless. The undecyclenate ester as very long, albeit why people say you have to run it long to get results. The tren acetate ed is also not needed, in my opinion. Save yourself syringes and unnessary pokes by shooting the acetate every 2 days. Your going to have a lot of scar tissue building with ED IM injections. As far as cutting prop pain with something, not all prop burns. Prop is not inherent of "hurting". I can make you a bottle of DECA that lights an uncontrollable fire under your skin if you want, by the amount of Benzyl Alcohol I would use to suspend the hormone powder. I would cut out the Sustanon all together. Believe me, your doing 700mgs of prop a week here according to your plan. You don't think your going to inflate enough on 700mgs prop a week?

 

[jumpmaster82]

cycle looks good all in all. but i would consider bumping the eq dose up to 600mg rather than 400. the difference in just 200mg of eq is a big difference

 

[leonidas33]

cycle looks good all in all. but i would consider bumping the Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - dose up to 600mg rather than 400. the difference in just 200mg of Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - is a big difference

i heard that the 200mg beyond 400mg is NOT a big difference at all... But everyone is different... so I am only going to try 400mg to start with...

 

[leonidas33]

ok... i am getting there... latest revised cycle...

1-8 tren ace 50mg EOD (200wk total)
1-8 test prop 125mg EOD (500wk total)
1-8 Equipoise 100mg EOD (400wk total)
9-12 Sustanon 250mg mon/thurs (500wk total)
9-12 Equipoise 200mg mon/thurs (400wk total)

Can't we all agree on this?

 

[GUARDIAN]

ok... i am getting there... latest revised cycle...

1-8 tren ace 50mg EOD (200wk total)
1-8 test prop 125mg EOD (500wk total)
1-8 Equipoise 100mg EOD (400wk total)
9-12 Sustanon 250mg mon/thurs (500wk total)
9-12 Equipoise 200mg mon/thurs (400wk total)

Can't we all agree on this?

Other than a few weeks of lag after week 8 from switching to sus from prop I buy it.

ideally either run prop all the way through or start with sus.

 

[leonidas33]

Other than a few weeks of lag after week 8 from switching to sus from testosterone propionate I buy it.

ideally either run testosterone propionate all the way through or start with sus.

If i stuck with the prop for weeks 9-12 and only poked mon and thurs, would that be often enough? From what I understand it is good for 3-4 days, so why not? Thur to mon is 4 days...

 

[GUARDIAN]

prop half life is 1-2 days (almost every source I have read states this). i have seen one resource that has 3-4 but i believe that to be wrong.

 

[eddymerckx]

yep, 1-2. a lot of the charts floating around all use half lives on the long side of the spectrum

 

[BBBBig Phenom]

eq at least 400 ew

 

[xrsist]

ok... i am getting there... latest revised cycle...

1-8 trenbolone ace 50mg EOD (200wk total)
1-8 test testosterone propionate 125mg EOD (500wk total)
1-8 Equipoise 100mg EOD (400wk total)
9-12 Sustanon 250mg mon/thurs (500wk total)
9-12 Equipoise 200mg mon/thurs (400wk total)

Can't we all agree on this?

maybe consider dropping the sust and eq and add winny instead and make it a 8 weeker. easier to recover.