Upcoming CYcle Advice - Test/EQ

[A|pine]

Upcoming Cycle Advice - Test/EQ

Planning 2nd cycle (First was 500mg Test Enanthate ICN - 12wk) No neg. Sides.

1-4 - Dbol - 30-35mg ED?
1-12 - Test Enanthate - 500mg
1-12 - EQ - 300-500mg?? What dosage should I run?

Also If I can get Var for a cheap enough price I might run some of it also. I might Possibly throw a little in at the end and extend the EQ a couple more weeks.

If I get some Anavar I would like to run some of it now just to get super lean up until my Winter bulker. Would it be a bad idea to run some Var at like 25-30mg/day for 6-8 weeks then wait another 2 months and start my Winter Bulker posted above? Do you think this is enough time to recover from the Var? I know it doesnt shut you down bad but it does. I'd probably need to run clomin in between. This doing this before cycle unwise? I really want to try some Var by itself.

Any thoughts/suggestions/comments Please

Oh Also would r-ala/milk thistle be enough while on the Var? Its not as liver toxic as say dbol. Is Tylers a MUST?

 

[IHateCrunches]

I cant rememebr which thread.. but i was curious about the EQ also... I was told by many andthen did some research... That your better of running it at 10-12 weeks. I know not much help but nice cycle.

 

[psychedout]

30mg of dbol ED is fine.

Test does is good.

I would only take 300mg's of EQ. If you take 500mg's, thats over a gram of gear per week, which is too much for a second cycle IMO.

I give the thumbs up for leaning up with var before the almighty winter bulk. 30mg/day for 8 weeks would be great.

You will still need to run post-cycle therapy with Var... it's a myth that you don't need too.

 

[A|pine]

I had no sides at all on my 1st of 500mg Test for 12wk. I had Anti's on hand but never really had to use them. I was also very paranoid about hair but had no major loss from the cycle. Do you think I will have any trouble w/ Test/EQ? Will this be harder on hair?

So you think 300 instead of 400 for the EQ? Any other opinions. I would never consider running a gram of Test alone. I guess this is closer to that then I thought.

 

[papucho]

30mg of dbol ED is fine.

Test does is good.

I would only take 300mg's of EQ. If you take 500mg's, thats over a gram of gear per week, which is too much for a second cycle IMO.

I give the thumbs up for leaning up with var before the almighty winter bulk. 30mg/day for 8 weeks would be great.

You will still need to run post-cycle therapy with Var... it's a myth that you don't need too.

Agree, if you didn't get sides from your first cycle (only one compound) it doesn't mean you are not going to have them with a 3 compound cycle (esp. with Dbol).....
good luck bro?

 

[IHateCrunches]

500 mg/ml of EQ is nice for 10 weeks. Im about to do it

 

[Mr. Black]

I would bump the eq to at least 400mg/week and run it for 12 weeks and the test to 600mg/week for 11 weeks (as test has a shorter half life this way they will both be out of your system at the same time). D-bol dosage I'd keep to 20-30mg max as it is your first time. Save the var for another time and do it solo.

 

[A|pine]

I know running 500mg Test and 400mg EQ is literally equal to say 900mg of Test but do you think this is too much for second cycle?

 

[Slyder190]

Advice

i agree with mr. Black, use at least 400mg of EQ/week. zd-bol@30mg/day is cool. Test will be fine at 500mg a week, but you could go 600mg. And yeah, save the var for another cycle.

 

[Mr. Black]

I know running 500mg Test and 400mg EQ is literally equal to say 900mg of Test but do you think this is too much for second cycle?

Eq is not equal to test. The anabolic to androgenic ratio differs significantly. You cannot compare the two. As a second cycle you will be fine with the suggestions above. Keep some anti-e's just in case. Good luck!

 

[A|pine]

oops, I meant to say NOT literally equal. Even though the sum total of mg is the same.

What Im trying to get at is even though its 900mg its not too much since they are different compounds.

 

[Mr. Black]

You've gotten plenty of feedback. What you end up doing now is all up to you...

 

[canadianhitman]

I made nice gains doing the following:

Dbol 20mg/day weeks 1-4
Test Enth 300mg/week, weeks 1-12
EQ 300mg/week, weeks 1-12

 

[A|pine]

I dont think 500mg Test and 400mg EQ will be too much. EQ doesnt aromatize much. If I even run Dbol it will be a very low dose. I didnt have to even use Anti E's before just had Nolva on hand. Maybe I should run some Nolva at like 10mg EOD just to be sure. Or there is ldex/arimidex. The thing is those screw with your lipid profiles a lot more. I wonder what would be the healhiest approach with Anti E's.

 

[raydogg]

I'm planning on running a very similar cycle real soon. If I ran some Proviron along with it would it be good to take 25mg/day or 50mg/day.....any opinions.......I do have nolva on hand and clomid for post cycle? Would the proviron be good only while front-loading with the d-bol or for the entire cycle? Help a brutha out!

 

[raydogg]

Can anyone help on my proviron question?

 

[Deleted member 33117]

raydogg, if you have the proviron to do it, run it 50 mg all the way through the cycle. It will help with the gains, by lowering shbg levels.

Alpine, I like your cycle actually, except I am not a dbol fan. Personally I would drop the dbol and frontload both the test and eq at a double dose (1000 mg each week) instead, if you wish to elevate blood serum levels faster.

I would wait on the anavar, and you may not be happy with the results of an anavar only cycle at 25 mg a day. As far as estragen/lipic profile control you have a couple of reasonable options. You could run nothing, and hope for the best. You can do proviron, which will enhance your gains a bit, for a price, and lower estragen levels slightly. You other option is to supress estragenic effects almost completely by using letrazole, with some nolvadex to help with lipid profiles. Bear in mind nolvadex is a tissue specific estragen agonist/antagonist. It acts like estragen in liver tissue, thus you get the possitve effects of estragen on your blood lipid profiles from its use.

 

[A|pine]

Hmm you didnt mention Arimidex at all. I would probably like to keep my estrogen levels in check but not knock it out totally. I didnt get gyno from last cycle but I ate my ass off and did seem to get a bit more fat on abs/chest/handles. I dont think the higher estrogen helped that. Im going to attempt to bulk a bit cleaner this time and I have been thinking about the estrogen levels a lot and what I should do.

 

[Deleted member 33117]

I didn't mention arimidex because currently the price of letro is on par with it, yet letrozol is a more effective drug.