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U.N. Official Slams U.S. As "Stingy" Over Relief Aid

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U.N. official slams U.S. as 'stingy' over aid
By Bill Sammon
THE WASHINGTON TIMES

The Bush administration yesterday pledged $15 million to Asian nations hit by a tsunami that has killed more than 22,500 people, although the United Nations' humanitarian-aid chief called the donation "stingy."

"The United States, at the president's direction, will be a leading partner in one of the most significant relief, rescue and recovery challenges that the world has ever known," said White House deputy press secretary Trent Duffy.

But U.N. Undersecretary-General for Humanitarian Affairs Jan Egeland suggested that the United States and other Western nations were being "stingy" with relief funds, saying there would be more available if taxes were raised.

"It is beyond me why are we so stingy, really," the Norwegian-born U.N. official told reporters. "Christmastime should remind many Western countries at least, [of] how rich we have become."

"There are several donors who are less generous than before in a growing world economy," he said, adding that politicians in the United States and Europe "believe that they are really burdening the taxpayers too much, and the taxpayers want to give less. It's not true. They want to give more."

In response to Mr. Egeland's comments, Mr. Duffy pointed out that the United States is "the largest contributor to international relief and aid efforts, not only through the government, but through charitable organizations. The American people are very giving."

Offers of aid have poured in from around the world in the past two days, with the European Union's executive arm releasing $4 million in emergency aid and pledging an additional $27 million. Canada and several European nations — including Spain, Germany, Ireland and Belgium — each pledged about $1 million yesterday.

Secretary of State Colin L. Powell hinted that the $15 million U.S. offer was only the first installment of a larger aid package to those countries devastated by 30-foot waves triggered by a massive underwater earthquake.

"We also have to see this not just as a one-time thing," he said. "Some 20-plus thousand lives have been lost in a few moments, but the lingering effects will be there for years.

"The damage that was caused, the rebuilding of schools and other facilities will take time," he added. "So you need a quick infusion to stabilize the situation, take care of those who have been injured, get immediate relief supplies in, and then you begin planning for the longer haul."

If that planning calls for significant food aid, the United States might have to scramble.

"Even before the crisis in the Asia-Pacific region and the Indian Ocean, the demands for food aid were stretching capacity: demands in Sudan, demands in West Africa, demands in other areas hit by drought and fighting," State Department spokesman Adam Ereli said.

"So even though we're giving a lot, the demand is very high," he added. "We're going to have to look at, as we move forward, what we can do to meet that demand."

Money and food are not the only types of aid being sent by the Bush administration. The U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID) also is sending a 21-member disaster-relief team to the region.

Also, the Pentagon has dispatched military patrol planes from the Pacific Fleet. President Bush has written letters of condolence to seven of the affected nations — Bangladesh, Thailand, Sri Lanka, Indonesia, India, the Maldives and Malaysia.

Besides the United States, the largest single national donor was neighboring Australia, which offered $10 million and transportation aid.

"Australia will and should give more," Prime Minister John Howard said.

The International Federation of Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies made an initial appeal of $6.7 million, which the federation says it will probably increase.

Officials from relief agencies, including the Red Cross and other nongovernmental organizations, met yesterday in Geneva to coordinate their efforts. In New York, diplomats from six of the affected nations met with U.N. officials.

The United Nations and other aid organizations have deployed hundreds of disaster-recovery and humanitarian-response teams to the region, and officials warn that the cost of the disaster could quickly reach "many billions of dollars."

"We may only know the full effect of this emergency weeks from now," Mr. Egeland told reporters yesterday at the United Nations in New York. "The disaster affecting Southeast Asia is not the biggest in recorded history, but the effects could be the biggest because more people live in exposed areas than ever before."

The tsunami-ravaged nations are particularly susceptible to epidemics as authorities struggle with thousands of corpses in unsanitary conditions. International organizations and nations including France, Japan, Israel, Kuwait, Hungary and others are sending medical personnel to some or all of the affected countries.

"The principal danger is that of diseases transmitted through water, especially malaria and diarrhea, and infections caught through respiration," said Hakan Sandbladh, a Red Cross official in Geneva.

Groups such as Doctors Without Borders warned that catastrophes tend to help localized illnesses turn into full-blown epidemics.

The destruction of water and sewage pipes, the disruption of vaccination programs and the lack of attention to disease-carrying pests such as rats and mosquitoes exacerbated the risk, they said.

In this situation, the stagnant pools of water created by the tsunami could boost the numbers of mosquitoes and other insects that transmit tropical maladies such as malaria and dengue fever.

"The risk of epidemics is also linked to concentrations of people whose houses have been destroyed," said Pauline Horrill of Doctors Without Borders.

Meanwhile, Agence France-Presse reported that a tsunami alert system in Hawaii that warns Pacific countries about devastating tidal waves detected the earthquake that led to the destruction across Indian Ocean nations.

But the absence of an alert system in Asia meant the information could not be sent out fast enough.

The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's (NOAA) Pacific Tsunami Warning Center, established in 1949 after a huge wave killed more than 150 people in Hawaii, issued a bulletin at 3:14 p.m. local time or 8:14 a.m. in the affected area, when it detected an earthquake off Indonesia.

The NOAA's information bulletin said there was a possibility of a tsunami near the earthquake's epicenter, but that no destructive threat existed in the Pacific. The huge tidal waves instead swept across the Indian Ocean, killing people in 10 countries from Indonesia to Somalia.

• Betsy Pisik, reporting from the United Nations in New York, contributed to this article, which is based in part on wire service reports.
 
Do the Europeans ever stop crying about what the US does?? Seems like we can never do any right.. I agree that the US isn't right on many fronts but I don't see anyone else giving tremendous amounts of relief either!!! Damned if you do and damned if you don't!!!
 
Let's see how much they cry if the US turned around and said that's all your getting. Let the other Nations step up and offer some relief. We happen to be the World Police and also bail everyone out in a time of crisis.
 
onebigab said:
Let's see how much they cry if the US turned around and said that's all your getting. Let the other Nations step up and offer some relief. We happen to be the World Police and also bail everyone out in a time of crisis.

i must agree, only lets take it a step further. everyone bitches about the US's involvement in so many foreign matters, but we are the first people look to for money and aid. i say FUCK THEM! give the US people the right to aid on their own through charitable giving but have Wahington give nothing. all the UN ever does is bitch about us. so FUCK 'EM! we should pull out of an organization that only exploits us and uses us; then we should boot them out of NYC where many diplomats (and their staff) break the law yet run free because of immunity. (i.e. tickets, fines, drugs, prostitution, etc...)

not to sound bitter, but foreign relations is a no win situation for the US. we either get criticized for being too involved or for being not involved enough. what do we get out of our generosity other than hatred, scorn and ridicule?

"Quid Pro Quo, Clarice, Quid Pro Quo!"

sorry for the long diatribe, but i'm feeling a little sensitive and easily provoked today!

:redhot:
 
so ONE person makes an off the cuff remark directed as western powers as a whole and not just the US and people are ready to cut aid. nice....especially since the mount of wars that havebeen fought for other peoples 'rights' are still going on with millions protesting and no-one gives a shit


He's a tool you never say no to charity and its the first instalment in more....I hope it comes quick enough, especially given the quake was detected in the US and probably Europe yet word wasnt passed on to the affected countries quick enough (probably due to the holidays) it would be a tragedy to see it happen again due to bureacracy.

People look towards the US because they are the worlds biggest superpower...They have the most resources and the only major power outside of Europe that have a concience. I would like to think people would be more gracious but sadly they aren;t, partly due to past US foreign policy and partly because they have no graces whatever the reasons (poverty, greed, pride, jealousy)...

Now is not the time to be dividing ourselves along borders
 
danielson said:
so ONE person makes an off the cuff remark directed as western powers as a whole and not just the US and people are ready to cut aid. nice....especially since the mount of wars that havebeen fought for other peoples 'rights' are still going on with millions protesting and no-one gives a shit


He's a tool you never say no to charity and its the first instalment in more....I hope it comes quick enough, especially given the quake was detected in the US and probably Europe yet word wasnt passed on to the affected countries quick enough (probably due to the holidays) it would be a tragedy to see it happen again due to bureacracy.

People look towards the US because they are the worlds biggest superpower...They have the most resources and the only major power outside of Europe that have a concience. I would like to think people would be more gracious but sadly they aren;t, partly due to past US foreign policy and partly because they have no graces whatever the reasons (poverty, greed, pride, jealousy)...

Now is not the time to be dividing ourselves along borders

it has nothing to do with poverty, greed, pride, jealousy, etc... the key issue here is that the US and the US people are by far and away the most charitable in the world. some stats:

-in '03 US contributed 57% to the budget of the World Food Program (feeds 104million people in 81 countries)
-in '01 Bush contributed his first contribution towards a Global Fund to fight the Aids Pandemic. How much? $200 million. The US is by far the largest contributor.
-the US is the largest contributor to the Committee of the Red Cross at 25.84% of all contributions received and 28% of contributions for field ops.

and that is just the gov't. as for the people:

the US people give on average $9+ billion per year (based on numbers from 2000)

the basic fact is that we give so much money on a yearly basis to others, but still get criticized for not doing more. that money would do wonders to help Americans, yet as a country we care enough to send it abroad. as far as this event we are putting up more money than any other country, and according to our gov't this initial amount is just the beginning of our involvement in trying to help. why should we be giving more than the WHOLE EU combined? the UN has consistently leaned on the US to achieve their goals, yet the UN offers nothing but acts of disdain to the US in return. why is it we give the most money, pledge the most troops and yet sit there and allow ourselves to be belittled, attacked and used?

i'm not saying we should not give; i strongly agree in helping others and do my part in pledging funds and time to multiple charities throughout the year. however, maybe it is time we took care of this on our own and told the UN to fuck off!
 
I wonder how many of these countries would offer to help US if we needed it? My guess is very few. Some of these countries probably had a fair share of their citizens dancing in the streets after 9/11. Since we are leading the fight on terror, both financially and with blood, lets let our buddies in France foot the bill for a change. Maybe Kofi Annan and his corrupt UN partners can get out their checkbooks and donate some of the money they have skimmed over the years.
 
i posted a queston about this yesterday and just bumped it...

why are we the ones who are "required" to help... i have yet to see any of these countries donate manpower to help the cause in Iraq...
 
coverguy said:
it has nothing to do with poverty, greed, pride, jealousy, etc... the key issue here is that the US and the US people are by far and away the most charitable in the world. some stats:

-in '03 US contributed 57% to the budget of the World Food Program (feeds 104million people in 81 countries)
-in '01 Bush contributed his first contribution towards a Global Fund to fight the Aids Pandemic. How much? $200 million. The US is by far the largest contributor.
-the US is the largest contributor to the Committee of the Red Cross at 25.84% of all contributions received and 28% of contributions for field ops.

and that is just the gov't. as for the people:

the US people give on average $9+ billion per year (based on numbers from 2000)

the basic fact is that we give so much money on a yearly basis to others, but still get criticized for not doing more. that money would do wonders to help Americans, yet as a country we care enough to send it abroad. as far as this event we are putting up more money than any other country, and according to our gov't this initial amount is just the beginning of our involvement in trying to help. why should we be giving more than the WHOLE EU combined? the UN has consistently leaned on the US to achieve their goals, yet the UN offers nothing but acts of disdain to the US in return. why is it we give the most money, pledge the most troops and yet sit there and allow ourselves to be belittled, attacked and used?

i'm not saying we should not give; i strongly agree in helping others and do my part in pledging funds and time to multiple charities throughout the year. however, maybe it is time we took care of this on our own and told the UN to fuck off!

agreed....The UN needs to reform, they have tlked about implementing it, lets see if they do. They are essentially impotent and at present only act as an international forum, however they do know how to distribute aid. Im sure Kofi Annnan would not make these comments. Even if the Us does not give the same %GNP as other countries it still gives more, which people shouldnt lose sight of. I have no issue with the fact the US gov. decides to choose on what it gives, just that it does give and isnt influenced by religious leaders when it does (i.e. the HIV money only being given to pro-abstinence educators etc). And europe should be giving more, you are right, the EU has given a set amount and each country is giving individually so we will have to see how much they do give in the end


breeze said:
I wonder how many of these countries would offer to help US if we needed it? My guess is very few. Some of these countries probably had a fair share of their citizens dancing in the streets after 9/11. Since we are leading the fight on terror, both financially and with blood, lets let our buddies in France foot the bill for a change. Maybe Kofi Annan and his corrupt UN partners can get out their checkbooks and donate some of the money they have skimmed over the years

India was one of the first countries to PLEDGE use of its bases in the war on terror against afghanistan before Pakistan had to have its arm twisted with money. Its the worlds largest secular democracy, has provided troops and intelligence to the UN and probably the US in the past too.

Thailand has served as a harbour to the US navy before and is a mostly buddist nation and therefore most likely felt sorrow for the 9-11 victims.

Sri Lanka is still effectivly in a civil war and has been dealing with terrorism for a long time so knows ACUTLEY how tragic an attack can be.

In fact, only Indonesia might have had a large number of people rejoicing post 9-1 due to its high numbers of poor ineducated muslims and even then, thats simply reaching since i know nothing of the country. Whilst militants have come out of there I am also sure there are many people there (majority i do not know) who were horrified post 9-11

would you really let doctored CNN footage of rejoicing palestinians (like they didnt have any beef with the US :rolleyes: ) sway your view over innocents i Indonesia and the other countries recieving aid. Irish people in the US had nowingly donated to the IRA for years and even openly celebrated in the pubs of boston, are we to condemn all Irish-americans for their actions?
 
Well...the first aid package announced by the US totaled 15 million. It did sound kinda fucked. More was spent on building the new public library where I live.
 
coverguy said:
-in '03 US contributed 57% to the budget of the World Food Program (feeds 104million people in 81 countries)
-in '01 Bush contributed his first contribution towards a Global Fund to fight the Aids Pandemic. How much? $200 million. The US is by far the largest contributor.
-the US is the largest contributor to the Committee of the Red Cross at 25.84% of all contributions received and 28% of contributions for field ops.

and that is just the gov't. as for the people:

the US people give on average $9+ billion per year (based on numbers from 2000)

source?
 
Like I mentioned in another thread, I hate not giving help but on the other hand with all the messes of shit in this country that need assistance goddamn! Of course as long as our leaders have nice cars and smooth paved roads from their cushy 50 bedroom homes to their office in DC it's all that matters. All this out of country aid just goes to show u what these rotten bastards could do to help their own fucking country but no we can't have that.
 
Those UN folks should donate some of that oil-for-food profits they are sitting on.
 
75th said:
Those UN folks should donate some of that oil-for-food profits they are sitting on.



Maybe these UN folks should step up to the fucking plate and go over there and do some fucking work. Instead of sittin on their ass and begging for someone else to do it for them. :evil:
 
someone please point me out the article in the constitution that gives the government the authority to spend tax payers' money on 'relief' for other nations.

also, the government may be giving 15 million, but how much money do you think private charities in the US are raising.

typical holier than thou, pencil-neck, arrogant europeans calling out america for being so 'stingy'. if the EU cares so much about 'humanity' and 'human rights' why dont they put their fucking money where their mouth is.
 
hooch said:
Well...the first aid package announced by the US totaled 15 million. It did sound kinda fucked. More was spent on building the new public library where I live.

people seemd to have missed this post...

57 000 dead and the total is rising.
 
Tax the fucking rich, don't tax me, I can't afford it. That woman and the others sure the hell don't speak for me.
 
I might be mistaken, but I was under the impression that he wasn't ciritizising the US, but rather the western world in general. And he was referring to the fact that most western countries "only" give about 0.1% of their GNP, and this he thinks is a bit stingy.
He wasn't talking about the aid given to the tsunami victims. Here everyone has been extremely generous, and of course he is quite pleased about that.
 
If somebody would just actually read the article, you'd see he was talking about the West, both Europe AND the USA, being relatively "stingy"

But U.N. Undersecretary-General for Humanitarian Affairs Jan Egeland suggested that the United States and other Western nations were being "stingy" with relief funds, saying there would be more available if taxes were raised.

"It is beyond me why are we so stingy, really," the Norwegian-born U.N. official told reporters. "Christmastime should remind many Western countries at least, [of] how rich we have become."

"There are several donors who are less generous than before in a growing world economy," he said, adding that politicians in the United States and Europe "believe that they are really burdening the taxpayers too much, and the taxpayers want to give less. It's not true. They want to give more."
 
Hes still an idiot if he thinks people want to be taxed more to feed the 3rd world. I would rather keep my hard earned money than see it go to some welfare state.

Not that I have a problem with helping India, but if they have enough technology to steal our tech and manufacturing jobs and can develop nuclear weapons it shouldn't be that difficult for them to deal with the aftermath of this Tsunami.
 
hooch said:
Well...the first aid package announced by the US totaled 15 million. It did sound kinda fucked. More was spent on building the new public library where I live.

You must live on the North Shore!!! ;)
 
The UN should understand that relief aid is a form of charity and it isnt the purpose of income taxes to be used for charity.

BTW what is the US doing in the UN ?
 
im sick of hearing about the tsumanis already, its freaking everywhere, xx,xxx dead, oops found 10,000 more, cant the news report on anything else!? its not like a first world country was hit.
 
n0th1ng said:
Hes still an idiot if he thinks people want to be taxed more to feed the 3rd world. I would rather keep my hard earned money than see it go to some welfare state.

Not that I have a problem with helping India, but if they have enough technology to steal our tech and manufacturing jobs and can develop nuclear weapons it shouldn't be that difficult for them to deal with the aftermath of this Tsunami.

Right....worst natural disaster recorded (bad enough to alter the earth's ORBIT), happens right after Xmas and he's an idiot in asking for more help! He's not slaming the US, merely the west in general, they always have given that oter countries spnd more % of their GNP on aid. It was a comment to try and spurn more donations

As for resenting a country due to jobs being lost to them, they didnt force your countires CEO's of governments to fire you guys and hire them. They simply provided a service which was cheaper than the US could provide and your companies (of their own will) chose them. Thats the free market I guess, the US and europe have been doing it for ears to other countries in regards to agriulture and farming.

FYI India (even after being hit by the tsunami) has already sent thousands of troops, aircraft, ships and vehicles to SURROUNDING countries to try and help.

p0ink said:
someone please point me out the article in the constitution that gives the government the authority to spend tax payers' money on 'relief' for other nations.

also, the government may be giving 15 million, but how much money do you think private charities in the US are raising.

typical holier than thou, pencil-neck, arrogant europeans calling out america for being so 'stingy'. if the EU cares so much about 'humanity' and 'human rights' why dont they put their fucking money where their mouth is.

UK's contribution is only a few million off the US's, combine it with the other countries or the EU's contribution and it adds up to a lot. I dont think anyone will fault the US's provate contributions, merely the way politicians react to this kind of tragedy (i.e. Tony Blair is still on fucking holiday

ChrisOh said:
im sick of hearing about the tsumanis already, its freaking everywhere, xx,xxx dead, oops found 10,000 more, cant the news report on anything else!? its not like a first world country was hit

probably trying to stir up sympathy and donations for the victims. And perhaps inform those who's ancestry is in that reigon as to whats happening to their country.


Is it just me or did people in the US criticise others for lack of sympathy post 9-11? Even after it filled the news for weeks/months on end?
 
Hey UN..

SHUT THE FUCK UP.

Go concentrate on those millions being slaughtered in Africa and terrorists taking over the world.

Now bugger off and let intelligent people do what they need to do. Thank you.
 
Sounds like we gave more than anybody else did. Tell the UN to kiss white red and blue butt if they don't like it. 15 million is alot of dang money. I am really starting to depise the anti christ govt (the UN)
 
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