Tx Gov Perry has decided to be a standup guy again....

[TxCollegeguy]

Gov Perry has decided to support a Plan that would allow Children the Choice to pray in school....

I haven't seen anything about this but talk in the news have mentioned a leaked source about this

 

[Crazier]

How would something like that be handled? Segregate in the morning the two groups, the prayers, and non-prayers for a prayer? I haven't heard much about this, as far as public schools are concerned anyway... do you know?
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[TxCollegeguy]

Well Channel 11 news in Houston just broadly mentioned it as giving the kids and option to pray. I'm assuming which might be bad in this case that it would take place in the classroom

 

[TxLonghorn]

Doesn't God have more important things to do than help little 9 year old Billy with his spelling homework?

 

[TxCollegeguy]

Yeah God knows I asked him for help with schoolwork a time or two

I'm really interested in finding out more about this. I got written up one time for reading a bible in class...Nothing came of it but I raised hell about it considering I was done with my work and was given no other work to do while I was sitting in class

 

[spentagn]

Doesn't God have more important things to do than help little 9 year old Billy with his spelling homework?

I'd say no. God has infinite time to help people if they want it.

 

[§äñît¥ Pôí§ðñ]

he actually prayed at some palestine high school event, maybe a graduation or reunion or something
no surprise, i lived there many years, no one there would oppose
but damn, he should know better

 

[huntmaster]

Doesn't God have more important things to do than help little 9 year old Billy with his spelling homework?

God doesn't work on a schedule and He is very interested in making himself known to individuals at a young age.

This provides stability for children--re-enforcement for what is truly right.

The founding fathers believed in prayer in school ---- they also believed in the Bible in school and the Pledge of Allegiance in school---------------But nowadays we all have our own ideas about what is right ---- dont we.
This is not the way it was intended--unfortunately not enough people are willing to stand up for what our founders believed in.

HM

 

[huntmaster]

I got written up one time for reading a bible in class

How did we get to this point-----that is disgusting!
People these days have got their priorities all screwed up.

HM

 

[Sushi X]

i agree. there is nothing wrong with taking time before school to pray with friends or alone. we had a momemt of silence when i was in school, it gave you a brief time to pray or whatever before the pledge of allegiance. the moment God was kicked out of our schools, things started going downhill from there.

 

[Crazier]

No shit!!! They act as if he was reading a fucking Playboy in class!!! As you said, if you were done with all the shit you were supposed to be... that's ridiculous for getting written up for READING the bible. I could understand if you were preaching or reading aloud, but to say you can't sit there and read a book that promotes goodness is unbelievable... to say the least.
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[spentagn]

What's wrong with Playboy?

 

[Crazier]

Okay Spentagon... you're right, nothing at all. Maybe if it was Playgirl.

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[KEL]

When I was in school we had a moment of silence ... I think it went away with Gov. Mark White.

IMO school prayer should be allowed on an individual basis not a requirement.

Basically pray all day if you want but I don't need/want to hear it.

kel

 

[huntmaster]

When I was in school we had a moment of silence ... I think it went away with Gov. Mark White.

I am glad that Mark White and Ann Richards are long gone----they both fought the morality that this country was founded on---DEVIATION from FOUNDATION


HM

 

[TxLonghorn]

I'd say no. God has infinite time to help people if they want it.

I'd say obviously not. Apparently his finite time and abilities are being sucked up by snotty nosed pre-pubescents. Otherwise, he would have the ability to have helped out for the WTC, the Israel/Palestine thing, etc.

This is a silly thread, and this is just one of many good reasons that government and religion have no business being combined, even in a limited fashion. I heard that Perry was in Palestine, Texas the other day and led a prayer? Wtf is that? We need tolerance of other viewpoints, but beyond a 'moment of silence' we don't need the government to 'help' us with any of our religious choices.

Geez. Yeah, God has infinite time to help out kids with homework, that's why he's done such a good job elsewhere.

And religion does not equate to morality. If it did, then come on Taliban, bring us back to morality. Because they certainly believe they are correct.

 

[Longhorn85]

If it did, then come on Taliban, bring us back to morality. Because they certainly believe they are correct.

And they are obviously mistaken

 

[huntmaster]

I'd say obviously not. Apparently his finite time and abilities are being sucked up by snotty nosed pre-pubescents. Otherwise, he would have the ability to have helped out for the WTC, the Israel/Palestine thing, etc.

This is a silly thread, and this is just one of many good reasons that government and religion have no business being combined, even in a limited fashion. I heard that Perry was in Palestine, Texas the other day and led a prayer? Wtf is that? We need tolerance of other viewpoints, but beyond a 'moment of silence' we don't need the government to 'help' us with any of our religious choices.

Geez. Yeah, God has infinite time to help out kids with homework, that's why he's done such a good job elsewhere.

And religion does not equate to morality. If it did, then come on Taliban, bring us back to morality. Because they certainly believe they are correct.

I see that you have bought in to all the political correct bullshit of the day.

does it not bother you that you have been spoon fed these beliefes by those who do not respect our founding fathers and their intentions?

just wandering.

HM

 

[BigPhysicsBastard]

jesus we got a real holy roller here don't we <roll eyes>

Tx......morality only equates to religion here in the U.S when you're talking to a christian. Make no mistake, when these people whine that religion should be the foundation of government, they're damn well talking about the "christian" religion, and probably more specifically "catholics". Shit, we'd still be burning women for being witches if people didn't have the right common sense to end this nonsense of enmeshing religion with government.

 

[Badkins21]

Go to www.foxnews.com because there was just an article on this last week...

The jist, as I remember it...

Perry went to Palestine, and PARTICIPATED in a prayer, which he said was completely justified, since kids see Congress, and the President praying on T.V. a lot lately...He said he wants to make it an issue in the 2004 gubernatorial race...The Dem's who will oppose him (don't know names, one's Mexican I think...) haven't said anything about it when questioned, yet!

I think he knows he p*ssed off A LOT of people by signing the "Hate Crimes" bill, AND allowing the amendment that lets Texas teachers TEACH homosexuality as part of their sexual education programs last year...

He's reaching back out to the far right, and I hope it works.

 

[TxLonghorn]

I see that you have bought in to all the political correct bullshit of the day.

does it not bother you that you have been spoon fed these beliefes by those who do not respect our founding fathers and their intentions?

just wandering.

HM

Nope, I am very politically incorrect. I am very much conservative in my beliefs, voting habits, etc. However, if you think our founding fathers wanted religion and government in bed together, you have got some reading comprehension problems. And I have never been spoon fed the amount of bullshit that you obviously believe. Actually it's quite sad how much YOU have been spoon fed.

I also think if you base your life on a book that was full of lies, deceits, and falsehoods 2000 years ago, then you have more problems than can be dealt with on a chat board. And yes, it is full of shit. What? You haven't compared the bible to history? Oh, wait, that's right, you let others do your thinking for you.

The fact of the matter is you have no idea what I believe or don't believe. And I have that right. All I want is for others to have that right as well. And when political leaders lead schools in prayer like Perry did, then they are giving de facto support of one religion over others. It's not right, and it is not what our founding fathers intended.

And for the guy that says the Taliban is obviously mistaken, how so? The only reason they do not rule over us is that we have more troops, technology, and nuclear capabilities than they have. Do you think our cities would still be standing if they had 30 nuclear warheads? The country that is 'right' is the one that wins the war. Was Nazi Germany right? They would've been if they had won. But they did not, and so they were not right. Simple reality. And why did we win? Was it because our God was stronger? Or was it that God had no bearing on reality?

Lol, it probably pisses you off to no end that I have the right to say these things, when you so mistakenly believe that you have the inside track on being right. And with your inside knowledge, you know in your heart that I am so terribly wrong.

However, this is a tiresome debate, and I am much too right. I will let you pieces of bricks with the ability of speech debate. Because that seems to be the only ability you have. I have yet to see any example of critical thinking skills.

 

[TxLonghorn]

Shit, we'd still be burning women for being witches if people didn't have the right common sense to end this nonsense of enmeshing religion with government.

Ok, now I have no problem with burning women. They are witches, everybody knows that. Or we could build bridges out of them, lol. (Monty Python ref.)

 

[huntmaster]

TxLonghorn

Our founding fathers believed in prayer and the Bible in school


Undisputed Fact

HM

 

[BigPhysicsBastard]

over 250 yrs ago huntmaster.........how many religions existed in the U.S back than?? Shit, how many PEOPLE lived in the U.S back then compared to NOW!!! The government has to be a fair and unbiased entity to be able to hold credibility in governing ALL people........religion, by design, is elitist and doesn't allow for "other" religions. So huntmaster, whom should we follow??? Jehovah? Jesus?? God?? Buddha?? Allah??........Zeus??? hahaha
Or how's bout a GIANT FUCKING GOLD COW???

point is, you have every right to practice your relgion, but you have NO right to force it upon others who either don't beleive in religion <gasp>, yes that's a right too by the way, or don't beleive in YOUR religion. Besides, what use is organized religion?? I dare you to find one single conflict in this world right now that doesn't in some way have relgion as it's base........you'll be VERY hard pressed. I hate organized religion,it has been the greatest evil this world has EVER seen. Give men a reason to feel superior or righteous over other man, and you have the first ingredient of WAR!!!

 

[huntmaster]

They can allow student led prayer to God(father of Jesus), Budah, and whoever else----

Student led during home room class and followed by pledge of allegiance.

They can have a seperate prayer for each religion represented in that class.

I am not for shuving my faith down anyones throat ---- I just want to uphold what this country was founded on--expression of faith---best I remember---thats why they left Brittian.

Peace

HM

 

[DcupSheepNipples]

Or how's bout a GIANT FUCKING GOLD COW???

MMM sounds interesting where do I find more information about praying to the GIANT FUCKING COW?

 

[TxCollegeguy]

See I have no problem with people praying to anyone...You want to pray to God thats fine, Budda thats fine as well, Allah hey go for it...

Satan it's your right go for it...I was born into the Catholic faith, I'm very much not a traditional practicer of the faith, but I still believe that people should be allowed to pray in school.

When I was in highschool it was ok as long as we prayed to ourselves. That I have no problem with at all. If a group of people want to meet and pray together fine, but it shouldn't interfere with a class. Before a Class starts then I see no problem with it

 

[spentagn]

I'd say obviously not. Apparently his finite time and abilities are being sucked up by snotty nosed pre-pubescents. Otherwise, he would have the ability to have helped out for the WTC, the Israel/Palestine thing, etc.

This is a silly thread, and this is just one of many good reasons that government and religion have no business being combined, even in a limited fashion. I heard that Perry was in Palestine, Texas the other day and led a prayer? Wtf is that? We need tolerance of other viewpoints, but beyond a 'moment of silence' we don't need the government to 'help' us with any of our religious choices.

Geez. Yeah, God has infinite time to help out kids with homework, that's why he's done such a good job elsewhere.

And religion does not equate to morality. If it did, then come on Taliban, bring us back to morality. Because they certainly believe they are correct.

God lets man make his own decisions. According to Christian teachings, that was His decision from the begining. To let us decide and make our own mistakes. Helping people goes much farther than asking for an A.

On a related note, I find it amusing how those who dislike or don't believe in God criticize those who are religious. I definitely don't make it to church very often, and I do a lot of shit that isn't so great. But I don't care what anyone believes about religion or organized religious gatherings. Why should Perry, or Bush, or Lieberman, or anyone else apologize or be criticized for their beliefs?

 

[BigPhysicsBastard]

I whole heartedly agree...........you should be able to pray to anything to want.........SILENTLY

 

[§äñît¥ Pôí§ðñ]

i thuoght the point of christianity was to pray anytime anywhere u want
why do u need a dedicated "moment of silence"
for all the nonreligious people that so called moment of silence is extremely uncomfortable
its shit man
u get disrespected THEN again not only for not being religious, but what do u do? just stand there and twiddle your fukin thumbs?
i completely disagree that any point inn time of a school day or event should be set aside for prayer or anything insinuating it
u want to pray, pray your little heart out, but dont interrupt my day and make me feel uncomfortable because u are invariably still pushing your religion upon me

no offense to the religiios people, i know the majority are not fanatic and dont want to force it on anyone
but for gods sake, NO PRAYER IN SCHOOLS PLEASE
u pray silently on your own, no one says u cant do that/ therefore its not a "problem"
u cant "bring back" prayer in schools, its still there, we just dont and shouldnt have to cater to it

 

[danielson]

yup

muslims sometimes find 5 times a day to pray, all outside school activities...i dont see why its an issue.

if your religious, you'll find a way to do it. you shouldnt force those who aren'tof your religion or who dont believe in god to pray. If they really want to they could arrange a time when everyone can come in early for a group prayer then go to classes whne the rest of the kids show up

 

[spentagn]

i thuoght the point of christianity was to pray anytime anywhere u want

I imagine you posted this solely to illustrate your point. Otherwise, that is a pretty uniformed opinion on the "point" of a religion. But I agree that religion shouldn't be forced on anyone, and neither should atheism.

 

[§äñît¥ Pôí§ðñ]

I imagine you posted this solely to illustrate your point. Otherwise, that is a pretty uniformed opinion on the "point" of a religion. But I agree that religion shouldn't be forced on anyone, and neither should atheism.

if you are implying that i am tryin to force atheism or that banning prayer from school is trying to force atheism, you are truly dillusional

i dont give a damn what religion anyone is, as long as they can function and act like a normal human being that is good by me. i have no disrespect for religion until it gets out of hand and people start doing crazy shit.

i am in a really stressful religion class right now that is 3 hours long, i have to go to it in less than an hour, i am not a happy camper.
i did NOT intend to use this thread to further my own views nor insult anyone else,

 

[spentagn]

I for one was not insulted. I did not intend to imply that you were forcing your views on anyone else. I was attempting to say that noone, whether they believe or not, should be able to force their views on another.

 

[RyanH]

It will be declared unconstitutional, and rightfully so.

Ryan.

 

[spentagn]

By who? That radical right-wing Supreme Court? (BTW, I agree it will most likely be overturned, and unrightfully so.)

 

[TxLonghorn]

But I agree that religion shouldn't be forced on anyone, and neither should atheism.

Absolutely.

 

[TxCollegeguy]

No one would be forced to pray. If you want to pray in private then why On Gods Green earth can you not be allowed to do it. Hell I would pray even with people who weren't Christian. They would say a prayer to their Maker and I to mine. I found it more enriching to my life then school normally would have brought. It allowed me to learn about others beliefs and why some didn't believe...

If a Kid wants to pray that right should be granted just like the ones who dont want to pray

 

[spentagn]

Absolutely.

Ahh, the longhorns are happy once again!

 

[Longhorn85]

And for the guy that says the Taliban is obviously mistaken, how so?

That would be me. They are mistaken because there are moral absolutes, and the Taliban is on the wrong side. This is obvious to most people. They have even violated the most basic principles of the religion they claim to support. The fact that you could even ask this question makes your ability to reason suspect at best.