Two Week Dbol Dermacrine Cycle

[Brewers17]

Dont like the liver toxicity of dbol for 5+ consecutive weeks lookin to try somethin different..

Week 1-2 40mg Dbol, 50mg Proviron & Dermacrine
Week 3-4 Sustain Alpha
Week 5-6 40mg Dbol, 50mg Proviron & Dermacrine
Week 7-8 Sustain Alpha
Week 9-10 40mg Dbol, 50mg Proviron & Dermacrine
Week 11-14 Sustain Alpha

Depending on availability might throw in 100mg Test prop ed every "on" week. You guys think two off is enough as far as shut down severity, or should I do 2 on 4 off? I want to try this because I find that the following 4 weeks after a 10 week + cycle are when I feel the most healthy and at the highest sense of well being (especially with sustain alpha). Feel free to critique, any feedback good or bad is appreciated.

 

[HAYEZ]

this is a dumb idea do a real cycle this is worthless....let me repharase this sinc ei sound like a dick

there isnt a work around to doing steroids...you either need to do them or dont bother...what you have here is pointless,
if your gonna cycle get some test and get some dbol and just do it...thinking your gonna jsut bounce back and forth and not have sides or shutdown is wishful thinking

 

[Brewers17]

this is a dumb idea do a real cycle this is worthless....let me repharase this sinc ei sound like a dick

there isnt a work around to doing steroids...you either need to do them or dont bother...what you have here is pointless,
if your gonna cycle get some test and get some dbol and just do it...thinking your gonna jsut bounce back and forth and not have sides or shutdown is wishful thinking

You're an idiot. Keep regurgitating out the same old shit the guys before you have said. Got any ideas of your own or are you too meat to come up with any? This is my 5th cycle and I did about 2 years worth of research before I started my first.

"To each there own".. a phrase you have to live by in AAS to have any idea how these compounds can affect a human's system. Just because you have only done 10 week cycles that means its the only way to go? Everything evolves, including diets, workouts, AAS etc. I'm throwing out a newer idea I have read a couple of insightful threads on that has received good feedback and all you are doing is telling me it is pointless.

If you are giving feedback, try to have a little knowlege before you use words like dumb and pointless. People might start to take you more seriously

 

[knockdown357]

thought you said feel free to critique. hayez is just tellin you the truth you are dealing with hormones in your body you cant cylce like that without running into some problems. but I dont think anyones opinion is gonna matter so if you wanna do, do it. dont come here looking for advice and get pissed off when you dont find the answer you are looking for.

 

[mus1cjunk1e]

You're an idiot. Keep regurgitating out the same old shit the guys before you have said. Got any ideas of your own or are you too meat to come up with any? This is my 5th cycle and I did about 2 years worth of research before I started my first.

"To each there own".. a phrase you have to live by in AAS to have any idea how these compounds can affect a human's system. Just because you have only done 10 week cycles that means its the only way to go? Everything evolves, including diets, workouts, AAS etc. I'm throwing out a newer idea I have read a couple of insightful threads on that has received good feedback and all you are doing is telling me it is pointless.

If you are giving feedback, try to have a little knowlege before you use words like dumb and pointless. People might start to take you more seriously

It's actually an interesting idea because (from what I have read), dbol is less suppressive than many other aas like test. I remember it being compared to primo or anavar but I'm not sure at what doses. I imagine at 40mg it would have to be at least somewhat suppressive. It is possible that doing only 2 weeks shots with 2 weeks of recovery would work. It all depends on how shut down you are from 2 weeks of dbol. It would be great if you could take a blood test to determine your test levels at the end of one of those 2 week "on" periods to see if it actually suppressed endogenous production at all.

 

[ItalianMuscle27]

That is the most ridiculous cycle Ive seen to date. This is your 5th cycle? Im curious to see the 4 previous ones.. Best of luck with that, and let us know how it goes..

 

[HAYEZ]

You're an idiot. Keep regurgitating out the same old shit the guys before you have said. Got any ideas of your own or are you too meat to come up with any? This is my 5th cycle and I did about 2 years worth of research before I started my first.

"To each there own".. a phrase you have to live by in AAS to have any idea how these compounds can affect a human's system. Just because you have only done 10 week cycles that means its the only way to go? Everything evolves, including diets, workouts, AAS etc. I'm throwing out a newer idea I have read a couple of insightful threads on that has received good feedback and all you are doing is telling me it is pointless.

If you are giving feedback, try to have a little knowlege before you use words like dumb and pointless. People might start to take you more seriously

obviously you know everything...thats why you have this fantastic cycle laid out before us! so please go at it and amaze us at the results you will get!

 

[dabuffguy]

The point of taking steroids is to build a substantial amount of muscle in a short period of time. 2 weeks on dbol isn't get you more than 5 lbs of water, and possibly a pound of muscle, and 10-15lbs on your lifts which you will lose once your RBC turns back to normal before you rnext 2 weeks.


Oh, and if you are worried about toxicity, you shouldn't take orals at all. Toxicity is so over-played it's fucking ridiculous. Yes, you need to keep your oral length under 6 weeks to be completely safe. No one is going to get jaundice or liver cancer by taking orals. Doesn't mean you should be careless either and go 3+ months on orals.

6 weeks at an effective dose on oral aas is perfectly safe. Medical doses of Anadrol have reached 500mg daily, and lengths of treatment of more than 6 months. 6 weeks @ 30-50mg of dbol isn't going to hurt anyone.



Oh, and don't be a fucking ass-clown when someone tells you your idea is lacking when it IS. Your blood levels are going to be on a fucking roller coaster and totally confuse your body's systems. Not smart at all. Your skin's oil production, your HPTA, your RBC production, are all going to be thrown a curve ball every two weeks. You'll end up with some severe acne doing this. Skin adaptation takes atleast 3 weeks to regulate with varying hormonal conditions (in men), and you changing it up every 2 weeks with strong adrogens is gonna be nasty.

If you want to run AAS for an extended period of time, just use injectables. Plain and simple.

 

[Brewers17]

Oh, and don't be a fucking ass-clown when someone tells you your idea is lacking when it IS. Your blood levels are going to be on a fucking roller coaster and totally confuse your body's systems. Not smart at all. Your skin's oil production, your HPTA, your RBC production, are all going to be thrown a curve ball every two weeks. You'll end up with some severe acne doing this. Skin adaptation takes atleast 3 weeks to regulate with varying hormonal conditions (in men), and you changing it up every 2 weeks with strong adrogens is gonna be nasty.

If you want to run AAS for an extended period of time, just use injectables. Plain and simple.

There is a difference between a critique from experience and telling somebody their idea is dumb because every other guy on this board has done it. All I ask is that if a person is going to give feedback, try to have intelligent, directional responses and attempt to look outside of their norm every once in a while. I agree with "if it aint broke dont fix it" philisophy of the traditional 10-12 week cycle with a test base (which all of my cycles in the past have consited of) but I also believe we havent perfected anything yet.

I also agree liver toxicity is very overplayed. I dont listen to that jabber anyway. I'm only concerned with my personal experiences on such orals as winstrol and dbol. Although I drink atleast 2 gallons of water a day and eat very healthy, I always get a feeling of dehydration and just plain crappiness after about 4 weeks of either. I am stubborn because these orals have given me the most dramatic and surprisingly permanant gains and I want to find a way to use them without the loss of health.

You may be right about the roller coaster of hormones. I have fortunately never had the typical side effects from test and dbol.. no bloat no acne. This regimen may change that and I hope that it doesnt. However, if I continue to have gains after the two weeks "on" as I have after all of my other cycles I may be onto somethin virtually non toxic and very un supressive. Resulting in unbloated "real" gains.

I probably wont get many who agree with my idea and that is expected as I asked for good and bad. Disagreeance is welcome just please try to have educated insight and dont talk to me like Im some punk 16 year old scared of needles.

 

[dabuffguy]

There is a difference between a critique from experience and telling somebody their idea is dumb because every other guy on this board has done it. All I ask is that if a person is going to give feedback, try to have intelligent, directional responses and attempt to look outside of their norm every once in a while. I agree with "if it aint broke dont fix it" philisophy of the traditional 10-12 week cycle with a test base (which all of my cycles in the past have consited of) but I also believe we havent perfected anything yet.

I also agree liver toxicity is very overplayed. I dont listen to that jabber anyway. I'm only concerned with my personal experiences on such orals as winstrol and dbol. Although I drink atleast 2 gallons of water a day and eat very healthy, I always get a feeling of dehydration and just plain crappiness after about 4 weeks of either. I am stubborn because these orals have given me the most dramatic and surprisingly permanant gains and I want to find a way to use them without the loss of health.

You may be right about the roller coaster of hormones. I have fortunately never had the typical side effects from test and dbol.. no bloat no acne. This regimen may change that and I hope that it doesnt. However, if I continue to have gains after the two weeks "on" as I have after all of my other cycles I may be onto somethin virtually non toxic and very un supressive. Resulting in unbloated "real" gains.

I probably wont get many who agree with my idea and that is expected as I asked for good and bad. Disagreeance is welcome just please try to have educated insight and dont talk to me like Im some punk 16 year old scared of needles.

Hoave you considered 4 weeks on 4 weeks off 4 weeks on, etc?

This would still be somewhat minimal on hepa toxicity, and your gains will be better at the end of each go.
I think 4 on, 4 off would be much more beneficial. Personally, everytime I have cycled the next 2 weeks into PCT I continue to gain mass and strength, not drop off a cliff. Going into a big calorie surplus with lots of complex carbs will help maintain strength and development as your body gets it's own T production going again.

And as always, bloodwork will be a good indicator if your body has recovered. Blood work before a cycle, and after PCT wil give you great insigh to where you need to be, if PCT is effective, etc.



Also, shouldn't have called you names, let's all keep it cool here. If someone is being a douche or has an uncoventional idea, let's respectfully disagree (and give reason why) or ignore them, and not fling shit around. Only pussies talk shit on the internet. Real men keep their head. Let's not be pussies.

 

[Brewers17]

Hoave you considered 4 weeks on 4 weeks off 4 weeks on, etc?

This would still be somewhat minimal on hepa toxicity, and your gains will be better at the end of each go.
I think 4 on, 4 off would be much more beneficial. Personally, everytime I have cycled the next 2 weeks into PCT I continue to gain mass and strength, not drop off a cliff. Going into a big calorie surplus with lots of complex carbs will help maintain strength and development as your body gets it's own T production going again.

And as always, bloodwork will be a good indicator if your body has recovered. Blood work before a cycle, and after PCT wil give you great insigh to where you need to be, if PCT is effective, etc.



Also, shouldn't have called you names, let's all keep it cool here. If someone is being a douche or has an uncoventional idea, let's respectfully disagree (and give reason why) or ignore them, and not fling shit around. Only pussies talk shit on the internet. Real men keep their head. Let's not be pussies.

Thanks for the feedback bro, will definately look more closely into the 4 on 4 off approach.

 

[mus1cjunk1e]

Thanks for the feedback bro, will definately look more closely into the 4 on 4 off approach.

I think that makes a lot of sense. Best of luck with it, I'm interested to see how it turns out.

 

[HAYEZ]

My only question is.......
Why attempt to do steroids only to half ass it? Your doing the same damage with very minimal results

 

[ItalianMuscle27]

There is a difference between a critique from experience and telling somebody their idea is dumb because every other guy on this board has done it. All I ask is that if a person is going to give feedback, try to have intelligent, directional responses and attempt to look outside of their norm every once in a while. I agree with "if it aint broke dont fix it" philisophy of the traditional 10-12 week cycle with a test base (which all of my cycles in the past have consited of) but I also believe we havent perfected anything yet.

I also agree liver toxicity is very overplayed. I dont listen to that jabber anyway. I'm only concerned with my personal experiences on such orals as winstrol and dbol. Although I drink atleast 2 gallons of water a day and eat very healthy, I always get a feeling of dehydration and just plain crappiness after about 4 weeks of either. I am stubborn because these orals have given me the most dramatic and surprisingly permanant gains and I want to find a way to use them without the loss of health.

You may be right about the roller coaster of hormones. I have fortunately never had the typical side effects from test and dbol.. no bloat no acne. This regimen may change that and I hope that it doesnt. However, if I continue to have gains after the two weeks "on" as I have after all of my other cycles I may be onto somethin virtually non toxic and very un supressive. Resulting in unbloated "real" gains.

I probably wont get many who agree with my idea and that is expected as I asked for good and bad. Disagreeance is welcome just please try to have educated insight and dont talk to me like Im some punk 16 year old scared of needles.

Bro, I can bet everything I own, NO ONE has tried something like that before, so how can anyone give you a honest answer? Do it, and post up your results. Im being straight forward, your wastiing your time with something like that.. 2 weeks of on/off dbol is pointless. Run it straight for 8 weeks, with some test/deca or eq..

 

[Chocolate_Thunder]

Sounds different. See what happens and post up your results. Personally, I wouldn't run it, but that's just me.

 

[Barch]

If I'm not mistaken, didn't Bill Roberts have a whole series of articles about the 2 weeks on/2 weeks off cycles?

 

[Barch]

Sorry, it was 2 weeks on/4 weeks off...
The 2-On, 4-Off Cycle: A Case Study by Bill Roberts

I've also seen similar cycles discussed on several different message boards, like T-Nation, Mesomorphosis and AnabolicExtreme, just to name a few. So for the people who said that no one has ever done anything like this-- you're wrong. Whether it works or not, I don't know. From what I gather it is done to get smaller gains, but over the long haul, more keepable gains without creating shutdown for too long. I've never done one, so I wouldn't know. But there is some logic behind it. For the OP, there is quite a bit of information about similar 2 on/2 off, 3 on/3 off, 3 on/5 off, etc., etc... So, check out some other forums for more information.

 

[the elite addict]

You're an idiot. Keep regurgitating out the same old shit the guys before you have said. Got any ideas of your own or are you too meat to come up with any? This is my 5th cycle and I did about 2 years worth of research before I started my first.

"To each there own".. a phrase you have to live by in AAS to have any idea how these compounds can affect a human's system. Just because you have only done 10 week cycles that means its the only way to go? Everything evolves, including diets, workouts, AAS etc. I'm throwing out a newer idea I have read a couple of insightful threads on that has received good feedback and all you are doing is telling me it is pointless.

If you are giving feedback, try to have a little knowlege before you use words like dumb and pointless. People might start to take you more seriously

Hey, watch your're mouth bro. We don't speak to one another like that here on EF. Take that shit somewhere else. I agree with everyone else. That cycle isn't worth doing. If you had nearly as much knowlegde as you claim, you too would see that. Run some test / dbol and include the derma w your PCT.

 

[Barch]

Bro, I can bet everything I own, NO ONE has tried something like that before, so how can anyone give you a honest answer? Do it, and post up your results. Im being straight forward, your wastiing your time with something like that.. 2 weeks of on/off dbol is pointless. Run it straight for 8 weeks, with some test/deca or eq..

This is something I had cut and pasted. Unfortunately, I don't know the original source, but here's some info. about 2/2, etc. cycles.


"WHAT ARE THEY?

I call any cycles of 2-6 weeks a short cycle. I have come to the conclusion that 4 weeker give the best gains to sides ratio....and still allow for rapid hpta recovery, even without using hcg during the cycle, since testicular atrophy is minimal.

FOR WHOM and why?

-For the paranoid newbie
-For the person wanting only modest gains from steroids
-For the athlete
-For those that just want to get to there natural maximum weight/developement fairly quickly
*FOR THE LONG TERM USER WANTING TO REDUCE POSSIBLE HEALTH RISKS
* FOR THE LONG TERM USER WISHING TO EVENTUALLY STOP STEROID USE
*FOR THE OLDER ATHLETE



WHY DO THEM(con'd)?

#1. To reduce time with a shitty lipid profile.

Many bros get tired of all the F-ing sides form long cycles. I especially got tired of having a crappy lipid profile for months on end with a hdl of next to ZERO(and yes you ALL get this UNSEEN side and nothing really helps, including the #1 hdl modifier, Niacin)

#2. Generally reduced sides all round

Many don't get bad acne until after 4 weeks "on"
Many loose less hair
My prostate stays okay while on a short cycles with testosterone

#3. Short cycles are better than training natural(gains wise)....you WILL see gains way faster than you could attain to naturally, especially if you are not near your natural maximum level of developement ie: about 190-195 lean pounds for the average man of 5-9-10" tall.

#4. Short cycles are a quick way to actually get somewhat above your natural max weight ...then after the cycles you can hold at your natural max with proper natural training. I for one am convinced that nobody can actually hold onto any muscle size above your natural max long term.

#5. Gains will be more gradual and less noticable and that is actually a positive thing for some people.

#6. Water retention will be less than on a regular cycle

WHAT TO EXPECT

Good gains for the duration "on".
Actual poundage gained will depend on how developed you are now. If you are not well developed yet then the gains will be very good. I have seen 8 pounds kept from a two week cycle.
Well developed men that have been lifting for years should expect more modest gains although several pounds of solid muscle can be gained in as little as two weeks and that would take a year to gain training naturally for many advanced men.

Good and rapid recovery of HPTA especially after two weekers


WHAT THEY WILL NOT ACCOMPLISH

They will not get you WAY above your natural maximum weight/developement even if done for years.
They will not get you really big gains in a single cycle like 12 weekers can.
They will not get you "noticed" in a short time...may be a positive for some men.


HOW?

The very short cycles of 2-3 weeks should be done ONLY with short acting/clearing injectables, and orals. You want to get hormone levels up right away and then you want them to clear soon after stopping. Long acting esters prolong a cycle due to long half lives.

Front loading of injectables is a very good idea...to get hormone levels up fast.
Doses should be fairly big and strong gear needs to be used for the best results, although you can use what you wish to here.
I recommend larger doses for short cycles than for long cycles.


EXAMPLES

Two weeker #1.

d-bol 50mg a day in 3-5 divided doses and for 14 days.
Tren 150mg on day one and then 75mg/day for 12- 13 days.

Clomid at 200-300mg in divided doses on day 15 and then 50-100/day for a week and then 50 a day for two more weeks.
OR....Nolva at 80-100mg on day one in divided doses and then 20-40mg/day for a week and then 20/day for two more weeks.

HCG every 3rd day at 500units while "on" . HCG is optional on this cycle as time "on" is short and little if any testicular shrikage will occur.

Nolva on hand for gyno



Two weeker #2

Test prop at 300mg on day one and then 100-150mg per day through day 12. Tren 150 on day one and then 75 a day through day 12. Clomid or nolva as above starting day 15.

Estrogen inhibitor is optional as is HCG

Nolva on hand for gyno



Two weeker #3 (advanced)

Test prop, tren as above PLUS d-bol 50mg/day through day 14.
Nolva on hand for gyno

May want an estrogen inhibitor with d-bol and test prop



THREE AND FOUR WEEKERS

Use the same hormones and doses as above...just extend the time "on" .
HCG use might be a good idea for 4 weekers but not that important unless you start doing many 4 "on" 4 "off" cycles in a row as testicular atrophy might become an issue with this schedule.

LONG ESTERED INJECTABLES FOUR WEEKERS(advanced)

I still think rapid acting /clearing gear is best for a 4 weeker. You want to get in as quick as possible the make your gains and get the hell out as quick as possible.

Front loading is more important with longer acting estered injectables.

Test cyp or enanthate 800mg on day one ...no more than 2-3 cc in any one site.
EQ at 800mg on day one as above.
Then 400mg each on day 3 and every 3rd day after that. Last shot about day 15.
Tren 75/day through day 27
d-bol 50/day in 3-5 divided doses through day 28
Will probably like an estrogen inhibitor
HCG 500 iu's every 3rd day while "on"
Clomid or nolva as above starting on day 29.



NEWBIE FIRST STEP CYCLE(you can try any of the non advanced cycles above too)

D-bol 50mg/day in 3-5 divided doses for 14 days. Clomid or Nolva as above

OR

Test prop 100mg/day for 2-3 weeks and then clomid 2 days after last shot.

OR

Test cyp or enanthate 500mg on day one and then 250 three days latter and 250 every 3 days after that . Last shot day 21 Clomid or nolva two weeks latter as above.




GENERAL TIPS

Always practise time "on" = time "off" with your steroid use, at least.

You can get very good gains from several 2 "on" 2 "off" cycles in a row. If you do more than 3 of these cycles in a row then I would recommend HCG use during the time "on"

Two "on" with four weeks off can be done all year round as you are "on" only for a third of the year.

Four weeks "on" with 5-6 weeks off is a nice way to go and produces very good gains.

* Check out my comments in follow up posts on this thread in regard to training frequency while on these short cycles.

HEALTH TIPS

I have had very good success normalizing my lipid profile with 2 grams of non flush naicin/day in divided doses while "off" and I recommend this for rapid normalization of your hdl post cycle.
I have done up to 5 grams of non flush nicain while "on" and it has done NOTHING...nor has it helped my brother-in-law or training partner while "on" steroids.

*Regular niacin will give you big time ichy flushing spells after taking the tabs....AND IT CAN BE HARD ON THE LIVER if doses about 1.5 grams are taken.


I recommend a good mega multi Vit and extra anti oxidants like E, C, Selenium, carotenes, as well as essential fats like odu's oil(omega 3&6 combo oil) all the time, and especailly while "on".

NOTE: The healthy liver will not be damaged by 50mg of d-bol a day for up to 4 weeks unless you drink alcohol more than moderately.
If you are on acutane for acne then scip any 17aa roids like d-bol.



So, Italian Muscle, when are you going to send me everything you own?

 

[needtogetaas]

Hoave you considered 4 weeks on 4 weeks off 4 weeks on, etc?

This would still be somewhat minimal on hepa toxicity, and your gains will be better at the end of each go.
I think 4 on, 4 off would be much more beneficial. Personally, everytime I have cycled the next 2 weeks into PCT I continue to gain mass and strength, not drop off a cliff. Going into a big calorie surplus with lots of complex carbs will help maintain strength and development as your body gets it's own T production going again.

And as always, bloodwork will be a good indicator if your body has recovered. Blood work before a cycle, and after PCT wil give you great insigh to where you need to be, if PCT is effective, etc.



Also, shouldn't have called you names, let's all keep it cool here. If someone is being a douche or has an uncoventional idea, let's respectfully disagree (and give reason why) or ignore them, and not fling shit around. Only pussies talk shit on the internet. Real men keep their head. Let's not be pussies.

Yup 4 on 4 off bro. I have advices a lot of bros to do cycles like this and al have came back happy as shit. Its a good way to run them.

It would be more like this though
4 weeks oral aas
4weeks dermacrin
4 weeks oral aas
4 weeks dermacrin
4 weeks sustain alpha

 

[Barch]

Needto,

What's your take as far as the benefits of this type of cycle, and the ideal outcome? As always, thanks for the great info!

 

[lilj888]

how bout u take a lower dose of 25mg, and run it for 6 weeks. I guarantee u that you will like the results, and you will keep most of your gains, 40mg just adds water. I gained 23lbs lost only 5lbs and everyone said i was going to loose most of it once i came off, well its been almost 2months since ive been off and i actually started to gain more weight before i started my next cycle. got my blood work everything was normal.

 

[needtogetaas]

well you will here it all the time all oral cycles suck. Well why do they suck. Its still aas anyway you look at it. Hmm what are the reasons people say all oral cycles suck.

1.you will not keep the gains. Well why not? Why can't you keep the gains from a oral cycle but you can keep the gains from a injectable cycle? Is it because the cycle is not long enough? Doing the cycle like this makes it plenty long and the dermacrin in the middle keeps test levels up well giving the liver a rest right?


Is it because orals are weaker then injects. Hmmm ya maybe i guess you could say that is true on some level. But not entirely
true by any means. People just do not take them as long so they do not get as much out of them. This fixes that.


2. All oral cycles can be hard on the liver. Hmmm we all love throwing in 4 weeks of dbol to kick start a cycle yet thats ok on the liver. If you use a oral by its self it must magically become worse on the liver then it would be if used with a inject right? Lol

there is a few things that make a good cycle right?
Good gains,keep able gains,safe and stable levels,and as little side effects as you can get.

Well this pretty much covers it. All but the ai's you might need well taking the dbol. How ever taking the derma between allows for estro to drop down and also taking the prov will also help keep it down to.


You will see people bash the hell out of all oral cycles but other then one person in this thread no one gave any real reason why?, and even when he thought about it for a bit he realized it can be don. Just not the way the guy that made this thread was going to do them.

9999999999999

 

[needtogetaas]

btw pm me for a big discount on pp products and or more info.

 

[lilj888]

well you will here it all the time all oral cycles suck. Well why do they suck. Its still aas anyway you look at it. Hmm what are the reasons people say all oral cycles suck.

1.you will not keep the gains. Well why not? why can't you keep the gais from a oral cycle but you can't keep the gains from a injectable cycle? Is it because the cycle is not long enough? Doing the cycle like this makes it plenty long and the dermacrin in the middle keeps test levels up well giving the liver a rest right?
is it because orals are weaker then injects. Hmmm ya maybe I guess you could say that is true on some level. but not entirely
true by any means. People just do not take them as long so they do not get as much out of them. this fixes that.


2. All oral cycles ca be hard on the liver. HMMM we all love throwing in 4 weeks of dbol to kick start a cycle yet thats ok on the liver. If you use a oral by its self it must magically become worse on the liver then it would be if used with a inject right? lol

There is a few things that make a good cycle right.
good gains,keep able gains,safe and stable levels,and as little side effects as you can get.

well this pretty much covers it. all but the ai's you might need well taking the dbol. How ever taking the derma between alows for estro to drop down and also taking the prov will also help keep it down to.


You will see people bash the hell out of all oral cycles but other then one person in this thread no one gave any real reason why?, and even when he thought about it for a bit he realized it can be don. Just not the way the guy that made this thread was going to do them.

Thank you for fianlly saying that. I always see ppl bashin oral only. i got bashed for anavar only and dbol only. Where was there logic behind there bashing?

 

[Barch]

HMMM we all love throwing in 4 weeks of dbol to kick start a cycle yet thats ok on the liver. If you use a oral by its self it must magically become worse on the liver then it would be if used with a inject right? lol

That's one that always makes me laugh. People say this SO much, but like you point out, it's completely nonsensical, unless this is something about the rest of the cycle that mysteriously negates the oral's hepatocity! I'm waiting for a couple of sets of Dermacrine and Sustain as I type. Unfortunately, I live in a foreign country, so I have to have it sent to my family, who then send it to me.

 

[ItalianMuscle27]

I personally have done 2 ALL oral cycles, and it was pointless. The gains went as fast as I got them. I was a noob when I first did them, and didnt know any better. The gains I received went as fast as I got them..(dbol and drol only cycles).. Only people I would recommend an all oral cycle to is a woman. (var/clen).. Its what my wife does..

Do what you want, post the results, when you come to realize you wasted your time with something like this, dont say I didnt tell ya so. To each is own..

 

[needtogetaas]

I personally have done 2 ALL oral cycles, and it was pointless. The gains went as fast as I got them. I was a noob when I first did them, and didnt know any better. The gains I received went as fast as I got them..(dbol and drol only cycles).. Only people I would recommend an all oral cycle to is a woman. (var/clen).. Its what my wife does..

Do what you want, post the results, when you come to realize you wasted your time with something like this, dont say I didnt tell ya so. To each is own..

How long were the cycles? what did pct look like? Were you as dedicated then as you might be now?

 

[ItalianMuscle27]

How long were the cycles? what did pct look like? Were you as dedicated then as you might be now?

Both were 6 week cycles..drol was 50mg for the first 2weeks, then jumped to 100mg for last 4. Dbol, I dont quite remember exactly, but I want to say it was 40 or 50mg/ed.I know I had the pinks. PCT? I had no idea what that was back then. This was back when I was like 24 or 25 years old. Dont know, maybe if I had known of pct I would have kept gains. But I didnt keep a thing. I did however keep some size when I ran test/dbol the right way along with pct. You mature, and learn over the years. I for one would never attempt something like that now, and dont believe anyone else should either. Just my opinion bro, not trying to start an argument..

 

[dabuffguy]

Anybody who actually loses muscle after an all oral cycle is going to lose it with injectables too. Muscle tissue is muscle tissue, no matter how it was built.

It's not like oral steroids magically have the muscle deplete when you go off. Please, that doesn't make sense at all.

Whatever muscle tissue you gain from oral cycle will be sustained, and possibly even improved upon given PCT is good and you continue to diet well.

I ran tbol and var by themselves for 5 weeks, gained 12 pounds, and gained another 5lbs the next 4 weeks through PCT and bench even went up another 20 pounds in that time. Don't go telling people oral only's are crap and you lose your gains because it is total bullshit X 100000000. Cuz, real gains are muscle tissue and strength. Strength almost always drops off some right after using drol or dbol because it increases RBC so much. Some decrease in RBC will also lead to a decrease in strength

Don't think I find orals better than injectables though. If you can inject, doit. It is better.

 

[needtogetaas]

Both were 6 week cycles..drol was 50mg for the first 2weeks, then jumped to 100mg for last 4. Dbol, I dont quite remember exactly, but I want to say it was 40 or 50mg/ed.I know I had the pinks. PCT? I had no idea what that was back then. This was back when I was like 24 or 25 years old. Dont know, maybe if I had known of pct I would have kept gains. But I didnt keep a thing. I did however keep some size when I ran test/dbol the right way along with pct. You mature, and learn over the years. I for one would never attempt something like that now, and dont believe anyone else should either. Just my opinion bro, not trying to start an argument..

Not a argument at all bro. People should no a do my best not to by now. We are all big boys over here on the aas board. We have debates and exchange thoughts and knowledge.

So pretty much you stated you did not do pct. Thats the reason I asked because I was pretty sure you had not.


Most guys out there on the streets there first cycle is a all oral cycle and most of the time they know nothing about pct and proper aas use. So often orals cycles get a bad wrap because of this.

 

[mus1cjunk1e]

So pretty much you stated you did not do pct. Thats the reason I asked because I was pretty sure you had not.


Most guys out there on the streets there first cycle is a all oral cycle and most of the time they know nothing about pct and proper aas use. So often orals cycles get a bad wrap because of this.

Good point