running tbol alone is awesome and a great way to add lean mass with barely and difficulty recovering. there are no sides whatsoever except slight increase in libido. i highly suggest it. i ran 60mg ed for 25 days. the gains usually stop around 4 weeks. i gained 7lbs of lean mass in that time and kept 6 of it after pct. for pct i ran 40mg of nolva for a week then 20mg of nolva for 2 more. there was no testicular atrophy so hcg was not needed. i loved it and will either do it again if i don't do var. that was my second cycle