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Tribulus

It's been proven to increase testosterone levels, if that's what you plan on using it for then yes, it works. How old are you? You're obviously going to see better effects from it as you age, if you're younger your test levels are most likely already high enough and won't see much at all.
 
There's no reason you would need to use Trib until you're at least 25 years old, when testosterone levels start declining. It's not going to fuck you up, but you're not going to notice ANYTHING from it at your age. So it sure will fuck up your wallet.
 
tribulus has actually been PROVEN to NOT raise testosterone levels or to stimulate LH. (see study below)

it can improve libido and erectile response, though it does so through other mechanisms (dopaminergic and NO)



J Ethnopharmacol. 2005 Oct 3;101(1-3):319-23. Links
The aphrodisiac herb Tribulus terrestris does not influence the androgen production in young men.Neychev VK, Mitev VI.
Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry, Medical University, 2 Zdrave str., Sofia-1431, Bulgaria. [email protected]

OBJECTIVE: The aim of the current study is to investigate the influence of Tribulus terrestris extract on androgen metabolism in young males. DESIGN AND METHODS: Twenty-one healthy young 20-36 years old men with body weight ranging from 60 to 125 kg were randomly separated into three groups-two experimental (each n=7) and a control (placebo) one (n=7). The experimental groups were named TT1 and TT2 and the subjects were assigned to consume 20 and 10 mg/kg body weight per day of Tribulus terrestris extract, respectively, separated into three daily intakes for 4 weeks. Testosterone, androstenedione and luteinizing hormone levels in the serum were measured 24 h before supplementation (clear probe), and at 24, 72, 240, 408 and 576 h from the beginning of the supplementation. RESULTS: There was no significant difference between Tribulus terrestris supplemented groups and controls in the serum testosterone (TT1 (mean+/-S.D.: 15.75+/-1.75 nmol/l); TT2 (mean+/-S.D.: 16.32+/-1.57 nmol/l); controls (mean+/-S.D.: 17.74+/-1.09 nmol/l) (p>0.05)), androstenedione (TT1 (mean+/-S.D.: 1.927+/-0.126 ng/ml); TT2 (mean+/-S.D.: 2.026+/-0.256 ng/ml); controls (mean+/-S.D.: 1.952+/-0.236 ng/ml) (p>0.05)) or luteinizing hormone (TT1 (mean+/-S.D.: 4.662+/-0.274U/l); TT2 (mean+/-S.D.: 4.103+/-0.869U/l); controls (mean+/-S.D.: 4.170+/-0.406U/l) (p>0.05)) levels. All results were within the normal range. The findings in the current study anticipate that Tribulus terrestris steroid saponins possess neither direct nor indirect androgen-increasing properties. The study will be extended in the clarifying the probable mode of action of Tribulus terrestris steroid saponins.
 
macrophage69alpha said:
tribulus has actually been PROVEN to NOT raise testosterone levels or to stimulate LH. (see study below)

it can improve libido and erectile response, though it does so through other mechanisms (dopaminergic and NO)



J Ethnopharmacol. 2005 Oct 3;101(1-3):319-23. Links
The aphrodisiac herb Tribulus terrestris does not influence the androgen production in young men.Neychev VK, Mitev VI.
Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry, Medical University, 2 Zdrave str., Sofia-1431, Bulgaria. [email protected]

OBJECTIVE: The aim of the current study is to investigate the influence of Tribulus terrestris extract on androgen metabolism in young males. DESIGN AND METHODS: Twenty-one healthy young 20-36 years old men with body weight ranging from 60 to 125 kg were randomly separated into three groups-two experimental (each n=7) and a control (placebo) one (n=7). The experimental groups were named TT1 and TT2 and the subjects were assigned to consume 20 and 10 mg/kg body weight per day of Tribulus terrestris extract, respectively, separated into three daily intakes for 4 weeks. Testosterone, androstenedione and luteinizing hormone levels in the serum were measured 24 h before supplementation (clear probe), and at 24, 72, 240, 408 and 576 h from the beginning of the supplementation. RESULTS: There was no significant difference between Tribulus terrestris supplemented groups and controls in the serum testosterone (TT1 (mean+/-S.D.: 15.75+/-1.75 nmol/l); TT2 (mean+/-S.D.: 16.32+/-1.57 nmol/l); controls (mean+/-S.D.: 17.74+/-1.09 nmol/l) (p>0.05)), androstenedione (TT1 (mean+/-S.D.: 1.927+/-0.126 ng/ml); TT2 (mean+/-S.D.: 2.026+/-0.256 ng/ml); controls (mean+/-S.D.: 1.952+/-0.236 ng/ml) (p>0.05)) or luteinizing hormone (TT1 (mean+/-S.D.: 4.662+/-0.274U/l); TT2 (mean+/-S.D.: 4.103+/-0.869U/l); controls (mean+/-S.D.: 4.170+/-0.406U/l) (p>0.05)) levels. All results were within the normal range. The findings in the current study anticipate that Tribulus terrestris steroid saponins possess neither direct nor indirect androgen-increasing properties. The study will be extended in the clarifying the probable mode of action of Tribulus terrestris steroid saponins.

That doesn't mean it doesn't increase testosterone levels, only that it doesn't in younger men...if you can find one done on men 36-50 it would probably be a different story.
 
ZGzaZ said:
That doesn't mean it doesn't increase testosterone levels, only that it doesn't in younger men...if you can find one done on men 36-50 it would probably be a different story.

no, the human research indicates no impact. the other impacts (the one that people associate with raised test) are explained by its proven actions (in animals).

no study in humans or animals has found increased test or LH (though people have used studies that said that it might- not a tested paramater- to claim that it does- MARKETING- to the point that everyone beleives something that has never been proven in either animals or humans)
 
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