Triathlon training and ???cycle

[bobdudeman]

Starting to train for triathlons again this year after a little (actually a lot) of time off, and was looking for some thoughts on a cycle to run after I get myself back in line w/diet,training ect. I ran sust @ 500ew 10 wks last year with dbol 30ed w1-4. I kept it easy to see how my body reacted. The cycle went well. What I am wondering is this... Since triathlons are about strenght and mostly endurance, is there a cycle anyone could suggest to run that will strengthen me, wich will add to my endurance, without trying to do a bulking cycle? I understand the point of bulking and cutting, but is there a way around the bulking but still gain quality lean muscle? Is this a retarded question? Stats are still the same

32yo
6,2
bf 12-15? Guestimate of a little beer belly (not gut)


I jog a lot like to lift and ride a shitload. Id like to get a jump on this season.

 

[nydj66]

I have good luck with low dosage test and deca for endurance training. It gives a slight edge but nothing dramatic.

Maybe 400mg/week of test-E and 300mg/week of deca. If that dosage bulks you up too much you may have to back it down.

 

[jmt24]

i thought var was good for endurance also. id throw that in there.

 

[Reubsf]

Close friend of mine used Anavar @ 40mg/ed to excel in his sport. Not saying that it'll be that way for you, but that's how things went down for him. Good luck.

 

[bobdudeman]

Test-e deca and var? I dont mint a few pounds extra, What are the bennies of this and what kind of cycle breakdown am I looking at? Remember, Im only usad tu sust and dbol. Never ran any other cycle. Thanks

 

[SlimJim300]

When it comes to completing a full triathlon, mental focus becomes a BIG issue. I imagine that halotestin would help in that area, and it won't hurt your endurance either.

 

[bobdudeman]

When it comes to completing a full triathlon, mental focus becomes a BIG issue. I imagine that halotestin would help in that area, and it won't hurt your endurance either.

What is halotestin?

 

[reigninghard]

im doing sprint traithlons and im on 750 cyp/wk, 600 eq/wk....training is going extremely well

 

[1392477]

Halotestin is very toxic - stay away.

Best bet for endurance training would be:

weeks 1 - 12 - Test (500mg /week)
weeks 1 - 12 - EQ (500mg / week)
weeks 1 - 4 - Anavar 50mg daily
weeks 9 - 12 - Winnie 50mg daily
weeks 1 - 12 - Arimidex .25 - .50 daily
weeks 13 & 14 - Clomid 200mg, 150mg, 100mg then 50mg daily
keep Nolvadex on hand in case you sense any gyno symptoms

Supplement daily with Multivitamin, BCAA, Glutamine, Glucosamine/Chondroiten, Omega 3-6-9 EFA capsules and 2 - 3 protein shakes.

 

[bobdudeman]

Halotestin is very toxic - stay away.

Best bet for endurance training would be:

weeks 1 - 12 - Test (500mg /week)
weeks 1 - 12 - EQ (500mg / week)
weeks 1 - 4 - Anavar 50mg daily
weeks 9 - 12 - Winnie 50mg daily
weeks 1 - 12 - Arimidex .25 - .50 daily
weeks 13 & 14 - Clomid 200mg, 150mg, 100mg then 50mg daily
keep Nolvadex on hand in case you sense any gyno symptoms

Supplement daily with Multivitamin, BCAA, Glutamine, Glucosamine/Chondroiten, Omega 3-6-9 EFA capsules and 2 - 3 protein shakes.

Thanks for the input. kyerway

 

[bobdudeman]

Halotestin is very toxic - stay away.

Best bet for endurance training would be:

weeks 1 - 12 - Test (500mg /week)
weeks 1 - 12 - EQ (500mg / week)
weeks 1 - 4 - Anavar 50mg daily
weeks 9 - 12 - Winnie 50mg daily
weeks 1 - 12 - Arimidex .25 - .50 daily
weeks 13 & 14 - Clomid 200mg, 150mg, 100mg then 50mg daily
keep Nolvadex on hand in case you sense any gyno symptoms

Supplement daily with Multivitamin, BCAA, Glutamine, Glucosamine/Chondroiten, Omega 3-6-9 EFA capsules and 2 - 3 protein shakes.

forgot, what kind of test @ 500 is thought of here? Sust, test-e? thanks

 

[Stacemranger]

Any test will do I beleive. Go with a long ester since you'd be using EQ also.

 

[nydj66]

Just a word of warning, I tried EQ for endurance training because of it's effect on increasing EPO output. The problem was that I got muscle pumps so bad in my calves that I couldn't run more than 2 miles at a time.

 

[reigninghard]

oral winny and anavar gave bad pumps also

 

[Only1eagle]

Winny was used by track and field athletes prior to and after the AS bans.

 

[bobdudeman]

Thanks for all the input here. Though there is a little mixed feelings on a few thoughts from everyone. I was doing some research on some possibilities and may have a thought...but still wonder bout var & winny. Pumps suck, do the pros outweigh the cons with these two?

 

[mikevegas]

I'd stick with Primobolan and Anavar only, if it were me, and I'm headed toward the triathlon path. Both drugs retain zero water, neither disturb hormone system or testicular function. A solid program of either drug, or eight weeks of one and eight of the other, will put on lean mass only, and gains won't disappear when you are done. Winny is okay but can come with more side effects.

I'd avoid all other drugs, especially test, the king of water retention. You want to run and swim while carrying a few pounds of extra water weight? Not me.

 

[bobdudeman]

I'd stick with Primobolan and Anavar only, if it were me, and I'm headed toward the triathlon path. Both drugs retain zero water, neither disturb hormone system or testicular function. A solid program of either drug, or eight weeks of one and eight of the other, will put on lean mass only, and gains won't disappear when you are done. Winny is okay but can come with more side effects.

I'd avoid all other drugs, especially test, the king of water retention. You want to run and swim while carrying a few pounds of extra water weight? Not me.

You are right about the weight. I'd rather not carry it ever in training. Lean muscle is good. Any suggestions on a breakdown of those two in cycle?
Primo ? wks 1-8
var ? wks 8-16

thanks, this s important to me

 

[wayneboard1]

My 2 cents on this is a low dose of test(say 250 EW) with Var at 40-50 per day. Your recovery will be quite nice and your mental state will be great.

 

[mikevegas]

I personally would lean toward Anavar first, Primo second. Anavar works by enhancing creatine synthesis in the muscles, so combine it with creatine when taking for max performance. Creatine can add some water weight, so do this first. Take the Anavar about .25 mg per pound of body weight, split up the dosage and take every 12 hours. Take it for six weeks, then rotate to Primobolan 500mg per week, six weeks. I suggest six weeks because every drug loses its effectiveness between three to six weeks unless you up the mgs.

 

[cycleme]

This is an old thread, but maybe posting here will still be helpful. I have some anavar, and I'm not interested in stacking anything else or taking injections. As a road cyclist, what dosage should I take and do I need to take anything for PCT?

 

[srfskr]

Most happy to refresh this thread. I'm a cyclist and triathlete - have moved from bike only to Tri over last 18 months - standards distance up to iron man. Was recently looking for a strength boost on the bike and swim and have been on a cycle of Oral Turanabol for last 5 weeks.

I'm 40 yrs old, train 6 days per week - often double sessions averaging 15 hrs per week. Bf round 11% and weight 155lbs. Started cycle on 20mg ED - strength gains after 1 week were awesome but picked up 4 lbs in weight - not ideal - and started to develop calf pumps on run.

Have dropped to 10 mg ED (would prefer 15mg at 10% of body weight, but only get 10mg tabs) and have one word - awesome!!

Power on bike up by 12 %, swim speed up big time and run strength good. Test levels were very slightly lowered but have taken natural test booster and free test back in line.

Best part was last week when my Tri squad were like - dude, where u getting this bike strength ?? -

Cycle coming to an end, and can't wait to start again!!

PCT - going minimal due to no androgenic effects and mini al test suppression. Will use a natural test booster with oestrogen blocking ingredient.

Seriously - had lotsa guys giving me grief about clomid and nolva etc - @ 100mg ED, maybe, but at athletic doses - not necessary. Got the bloods to prove it !!

Bottom line - love this shti

 

[srfskr]

Uhh - forgot one comment. Used VAR a couple of years back. The thing I remember most was that it killed my aerobic capacity - got fair strength gains but had no endurance. Really backfired on my riding desires.

 

[elite7777]

Most happy to refresh this thread. I'm a cyclist and triathlete - have moved from bike only to Tri over last 18 months - standards distance up to iron man. Was recently looking for a strength boost on the bike and swim and have been on a cycle of Oral Turanabol for last 5 weeks.

I'm 40 yrs old, train 6 days per week - often double sessions averaging 15 hrs per week. Bf round 11% and weight 155lbs. Started cycle on 20mg ED - strength gains after 1 week were awesome but picked up 4 lbs in weight - not ideal - and started to develop calf pumps on run.

Have dropped to 10 mg ED (would prefer 15mg at 10% of body weight, but only get 10mg tabs) and have one word - awesome!!

Power on bike up by 12 %, swim speed up big time and run strength good. Test levels were very slightly lowered but have taken natural test booster and free test back in line.

Best part was last week when my Tri squad were like - dude, where u getting this bike strength ?? -

Cycle coming to an end, and can't wait to start again!!

PCT - going minimal due to no androgenic effects and mini al test suppression. Will use a natural test booster with oestrogen blocking ingredient.

Seriously - had lotsa guys giving me grief about clomid and nolva etc - @ 100mg ED, maybe, but at athletic doses - not necessary. Got the bloods to prove it !!

Bottom line - love this shti

Thanks for the info on Turanabol, I will look into it. As a cyclist I have found that 5 mg/day of GW501516 has lowered my HR and increased my power output.

 

[srfskr]

Thanks for the info on Turanabol, I will look into it. As a cyclist I have found that 5 mg/day of GW501516 has lowered my HR and increased my power output.

Thanks for that pointer. Been looking into GW, but have struggled with definitive info wrt sides and longer term effects. Maybe u can give me a bit more data on that point. Would love to give it a try.

Good point regarding Oral T that I didn't mention is it clears the body pretty fast and it's detection time is very short if you are tested at all. In addition, doesn't appear to be on mainstream test protocols - since end of East German Athletic doping programmes, it fell off the mainstream.

 

[elite7777]

Thanks for that pointer. Been looking into GW, but have struggled with definitive info wrt sides and longer term effects. Maybe u can give me a bit more data on that point. Would love to give it a try.

Good point regarding Oral T that I didn't mention is it clears the body pretty fast and it's detection time is very short if you are tested at all. In addition, doesn't appear to be on mainstream test protocols - since end of East German Athletic doping programmes, it fell off the mainstream.

Huh, that is good to know. It looks like you have seem some nice wattage output gains, nice work! You mentioned you would use a natural test booster for PCT. What are you thinking of using, what dosage and how long?

With GW, I hear you about long term effects. I have been on it for about a month and have seen very few sides... only a slight headache every once in a while and at first light headed because of the lower HR but this goes away once you body adapts. It gives you the ability to train like a mad man. I also use topical low dose 1% test (Androgel) the day before a hard training and/or race. It seems to help with muscle fatigue also.

 

[srfskr]

Huh, that is good to know. It looks like you have seem some nice wattage output gains, nice work! You mentioned you would use a natural test booster for PCT. What are you thinking of using, what dosage and how long?

With GW, I hear you about long term effects. I have been on it for about a month and have seen very few sides... only a slight headache every once in a while and at first light headed because of the lower HR but this goes away once you body adapts. It gives you the ability to train like a mad man. I also use topical low dose 1% test (Androgel) the day before a hard training and/or race. It seems to help with muscle fatigue also.

Gonna give Purus Labs Recycle a try. They have a pretty solid reputation, and the product is aimed at pro hormone users - many of which have worse shut down than T Bol. As I said, T Bol really isn't heavily suppressive, and I will give Recycle a shot. If feel crap, do have Clomid available for backup. Nolva not ideal because T Bol doesn't Aromatize, so Clomid better choice. Best if u can get by with neither

 

[parapara]

Just signed up, can anyone tell me how my running will be affected by 500mg of test per week im 6ft and weigh in at 14.7 stone. my fitness is good on the endurance side but any runner, cyclist ect will understand what i mean where im getting to the point where i need to be running faster and harder. also any advice on anything to help with oxygen intake and uping red blood cells

 

[srfskr]

AAS generally result in crazy calf pumps which cripple running. 10mg of oral tbol has me hobbling on the run. Great for cycling (bike) and swim tho'. Check the SARMS threads for info on endurance aids.

 

[Pound4PoundAAS]

I'd stick with Primobolan and Anavar only, if it were me, and I'm headed toward the triathlon path. Both drugs retain zero water, neither disturb hormone system or testicular function. A solid program of either drug, or eight weeks of one and eight of the other, will put on lean mass only, and gains won't disappear when you are done. Winny is okay but can come with more side effects.

I'd avoid all other drugs, especially test, the king of water retention. You want to run and swim while carrying a few pounds of extra water weight? Not me.

Primo is suppressive...

 

[nikko127]

Just signed up, can anyone tell me how my running will be affected by 500mg of test per week im 6ft and weigh in at 14.7 stone. my fitness is good on the endurance side but any runner, cyclist ect will understand what i mean where im getting to the point where i need to be running faster and harder. also any advice on anything to help with oxygen intake and uping red blood cells

I got a course of modafinil from my local doc. Really good for endurance,perceived effort is way down and proven to increase length of time one can hold 80%VO2 max.