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Slyder190
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Everybody reacts differently (or may not react) to different compounds. tren only made me cough for a minute every once n a while. Never had acne problems with it. Insomnia and night sweats, that's a different story. It'll help you hold on to muscle and give you a shredded look if everything is in order, but I wouldn't touch without stacking it with Test personally.
djsf
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slyder190 said:
I'm going to do a Tren / Test stack March of next year. What is your proposed cycle? I'm still designing mine and am looking for ideas. My proposed cycle looks something like:
Week 1-7: 325mg tren enant e4d
Week 1-7: 125mg test enant e4d
Dostinex .25mg e4d
Nolva
PCT
The test is just for sex drive, but I'm thinking to maybe increase it to complement the tren. I'm curious how you would stack with test.
I love my tren/test. Even tren alone works well for me.
I've never had the cough, nights sweats or bad acne from it, BUT, i guess i've been lucky in this because I don't get much sides from any aas.
I'm not recommending this, but I go 75mg/day tren and 500mg test/week.
i/ve used this combo three times now and luv it
Whiskey
I've never had the cough, nights sweats or bad acne from it, BUT, i guess i've been lucky in this because I don't get much sides from any aas.
I'm not recommending this, but I go 75mg/day tren and 500mg test/week.
i/ve used this combo three times now and luv it
Whiskey
Retabolil2
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Tren cough is a common thing with all tren esthers. Try BD Trinabol150, its a combo of tren acetate, tren enanthate and tren HHBC.skyling35 said:
pharmadan
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People act like tren cough is a chronic thing. It is acute and only lasts for no more than a minute after an injection ... and that is only every once in a while. Roid rage is just a scapegoat for people with asshole personalities that aas accentuates. Night sweats and insomnia are brutal if you have these sides. I do ... but tren is one of the best aas out there in my opinion. Love it love it love it. I never run a cycle without it.
The key with tren is to add some test in as well. Even if not for additional gains, it is required by about week 4 or 5 for libido reasons.
The key with tren is to add some test in as well. Even if not for additional gains, it is required by about week 4 or 5 for libido reasons.
black sheep
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Retabolil2 said:
I am currently on my 3rd tren cycle and never ONCE experienced the cough. I make sure there is no tren on the outside of the pin before I insert it, and I always aspirate.
Never had the couch.......Knock on wood...
Rage is a personality issue in itself. All roids will to some degree intensify agression if that personality trait exist to begin with. Nice in the gym. But, ugly out in the real world. With tren, my wife and co-workers told me that they were so calm around me during the cycle. It (Tren) brought out the more mellow nature that I'm known for. The only draw back was decreased energy for me. Had to force myself to work out. But, the gains stayed and were rock solid the whole time. Recommend Boldenone while on Tren to help increase vascularity and increase red blood cells. Makes the gains look a whole lot better.
So, my advise? If you are easy going like me, do it. If you are agressive, stay away from it.
So, my advise? If you are easy going like me, do it. If you are agressive, stay away from it.
Retabolil2
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I experienced it maybe 3-4times only in my life and I didnt like it at all, it makes you lose breath too, I almost shitted my pants when it happened to me at the first time. And I did over 10cycles with tren I think so it doesnt happen everytime you inject it.black sheep said:
black sheep
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Retabolil2 said:
LOL @ "almost shitted my pants"
SlimJim300
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I had tren cough once. It was unpleasant, but then I don't think I got it as bad as some people do.
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Tweakle
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I had it the first time I got my gf to pin me, to show her it was no big thing to do.. then I double over and spend 10 mins on the floor coughing my guts out lookin like im having a heart attack.
she didnt do it again after that.
tren cough is pretty rare... 50mg ed as a new user shoudl be fine for cutting stacked with test imo
she didnt do it again after that.
tren cough is pretty rare... 50mg ed as a new user shoudl be fine for cutting stacked with test imo
Guinness5.0
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I'd use prop just so the esthers clear at similar times. Plus IMO prop is easier to come off of.djsf said:
Beachbum1546
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I believe he is using tren enanthate and test enanthate which I should be the exact same half-life time.Guinness5.0 said:
Guinness5.0
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Good catch. My faultBeachbum1546 said:
djsf
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Guinness5.0 said:
Correct, they are both enant. But Guiness, I'd like to hear more about your experience that prop is easier to come off of than enant. Curious about more specifics on that so i can learn from your experience (and hopefully come off my cycle easier).Beachbum1546 said:
Guinness5.0
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First off prop is the only test I've used. I formed this opinion based on lots of reading however.
Prop is gone in about 3 days for most people. Then you jump on PCT. Kinda like a lightswitch (oversimplified analogy): "on" or "off" versus waiting three weeks for all the stuff to clear and THEN starting to recover your natty test production.
In fact, I've seen people who run prop at the end of their cycles for exactly this reason. For example, If one was running 12 weeks of test E they might run prop weeks 12-16 so that they can start PCT and not have that "limbo" period of weeks where exogenous test levels are sinking and endogenous test levels still haven't begun to rise.
Prop is gone in about 3 days for most people. Then you jump on PCT. Kinda like a lightswitch (oversimplified analogy): "on" or "off" versus waiting three weeks for all the stuff to clear and THEN starting to recover your natty test production.
In fact, I've seen people who run prop at the end of their cycles for exactly this reason. For example, If one was running 12 weeks of test E they might run prop weeks 12-16 so that they can start PCT and not have that "limbo" period of weeks where exogenous test levels are sinking and endogenous test levels still haven't begun to rise.
djsf
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Guinness5.0 said:
To confirm your advice PCT should be started in 3 days in this case, here is a way for anyone here to research that question and answer it for most any steroid and ester combo.
According to this useful site, the half-life of Prop is 4.5 days.
http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/article-steroid-half-life.asp
After a long cycle, it would be quite built up in your system. My understanding is you would want to let levels drop to a point where the steroid is not having a great effect anymore. This site helps calculate that:
http://bulkmuscle.com/pct/
On a 8 week cycle of test prop (150mg eod), the PCT calculator has PCT starting 3 days after the end of the cycle. For the same cycle but using enant, PCT would start about 15 days after the end of the cycle.
Another rule of thumb I have heard is to begin pct 1.5 half lives after the longest ester active at the end of your cycle. I think the calculator gives better results because it takes dose into consideration.
Guinness5.0
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Just to add a bit djsf, the closest thing I have to evidence is the buddy of mine who told me about the whole "prop at the end" idea. He had previously run 4 cycles consisting at least partially of some longer acting compounds (usually test e and EQ). He tried the prop at the end on his fifth one and liked it a lot - none of the typical "PCT blues".
I have no bloodwork #'s or anything concrete to validate his feelings, but I trust his opinion and ability to discern placebo from actual results. HTH
I have no bloodwork #'s or anything concrete to validate his feelings, but I trust his opinion and ability to discern placebo from actual results. HTH
Catch Wrestler
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Firstly,the half life of prop is not 4.5 days,because that would then mean that the active life is nine days which it clearly is not.The idea of using a short acting ester at the end of a cycle is a very good one and if you think about it,makes a lot of sense, and is what Author L. Rea actually recommends.
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