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Beachbum1546
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I believe he is using tren enanthate and test enanthate which I should be the exact same half-life time.Guinness5.0 said:
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Guinness5.0
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Good catch. My faultBeachbum1546 said:
djsf
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Guinness5.0 said:
Correct, they are both enant. But Guiness, I'd like to hear more about your experience that prop is easier to come off of than enant. Curious about more specifics on that so i can learn from your experience (and hopefully come off my cycle easier).Beachbum1546 said:
Guinness5.0
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First off prop is the only test I've used. I formed this opinion based on lots of reading however.
Prop is gone in about 3 days for most people. Then you jump on PCT. Kinda like a lightswitch (oversimplified analogy): "on" or "off" versus waiting three weeks for all the stuff to clear and THEN starting to recover your natty test production.
In fact, I've seen people who run prop at the end of their cycles for exactly this reason. For example, If one was running 12 weeks of test E they might run prop weeks 12-16 so that they can start PCT and not have that "limbo" period of weeks where exogenous test levels are sinking and endogenous test levels still haven't begun to rise.
Prop is gone in about 3 days for most people. Then you jump on PCT. Kinda like a lightswitch (oversimplified analogy): "on" or "off" versus waiting three weeks for all the stuff to clear and THEN starting to recover your natty test production.
In fact, I've seen people who run prop at the end of their cycles for exactly this reason. For example, If one was running 12 weeks of test E they might run prop weeks 12-16 so that they can start PCT and not have that "limbo" period of weeks where exogenous test levels are sinking and endogenous test levels still haven't begun to rise.
djsf
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Guinness5.0 said:
To confirm your advice PCT should be started in 3 days in this case, here is a way for anyone here to research that question and answer it for most any steroid and ester combo.
According to this useful site, the half-life of Prop is 4.5 days.
http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/article-steroid-half-life.asp
After a long cycle, it would be quite built up in your system. My understanding is you would want to let levels drop to a point where the steroid is not having a great effect anymore. This site helps calculate that:
http://bulkmuscle.com/pct/
On a 8 week cycle of test prop (150mg eod), the PCT calculator has PCT starting 3 days after the end of the cycle. For the same cycle but using enant, PCT would start about 15 days after the end of the cycle.
Another rule of thumb I have heard is to begin pct 1.5 half lives after the longest ester active at the end of your cycle. I think the calculator gives better results because it takes dose into consideration.
Guinness5.0
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Just to add a bit djsf, the closest thing I have to evidence is the buddy of mine who told me about the whole "prop at the end" idea. He had previously run 4 cycles consisting at least partially of some longer acting compounds (usually test e and EQ). He tried the prop at the end on his fifth one and liked it a lot - none of the typical "PCT blues".
I have no bloodwork #'s or anything concrete to validate his feelings, but I trust his opinion and ability to discern placebo from actual results. HTH
I have no bloodwork #'s or anything concrete to validate his feelings, but I trust his opinion and ability to discern placebo from actual results. HTH
Catch Wrestler
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Firstly,the half life of prop is not 4.5 days,because that would then mean that the active life is nine days which it clearly is not.The idea of using a short acting ester at the end of a cycle is a very good one and if you think about it,makes a lot of sense, and is what Author L. Rea actually recommends.
