Tren/winny Log

[seandh07]

Can that be avoided by avoiding pinning quads.. or can it happen anytime?

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As far as I know it's easier to. 'Catch the cough' through the quads. I pin quads/delts. From my understanding the cough generates from when some of the hormone enters the blood stream.

 

[bigbassturd]

It can happen anywhere, but is more likely to happen in the quads.

Delts are safer.

 

[seandh07]

Ha I got quads tomorrow/Thursday, wish me luck lol!!

 

[bonacris]

It can happen anywhere, but is more likely to happen in the quads.

Delts are safer.

Having never pinned tren is there any PIP from it

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[seandh07]

Having never pinned tren is there any PIP from it

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Yes! First few times it hurt to move my leg or raise my shoulder. But two weeks in its just a bit sore for about 12 hours

 

[seandh07]

Today was not my day! I had a 24 hour shift so my diet is all off dehydrated and tired as hell. All considered I had an impressive workout.

Deadlifts
135x8
225x8
315x8

Wide grip tbar row
45x8
90x8
135x8
180x6

Close grip reverse bb row
135x8
185x8
235x6
225x8

Wide grip lat pull
160x8
180x8
200x8
220x7

Preacher curl
65x8
85x8
105x8

Wide grip bb curl
70x8
80x8
80x8

Concentration curl
40x8
45x8
50x8

Forearm curl
65x8
75x8
85x8
95x6

 

[kravmaga02]

Those deadlifts are Damn impressive for sum1 who's been on a 24 hour shift

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[seandh07]

Back on track, fully fed and hydrated. Dropped the winny (transdermal...) felt pretty good, nothing new to report.

Hack squat machine (kinda like a reverse leg press)
180x8
360x8
540x8
630x6

Leg curl
90x8
140x8
180x6

Leg ext
145x8
155x8
165x8

Seated calf raise
100x8
170x8
235x5

Db shoulder press
50x8
60x8
70x8
80x5 (this is huge for me, last time I went heavy on these I pumped 70x4)

Bb front raise
60x8
80x8
90x8

Lateral raise
30x8
40x8
50x6

Rear delt raise
25x8
40x8
50x8

Shrugs
225x8
315x8
365x6

 

[saxon369]

Great log bro! Keep killin it!!

 

[Svenman19]

How come you dropped your winny bro? I been takin it for about a week (transdermal)

 

[seandh07]

How come you dropped your winny bro? I been takin it for about a week (transdermal)

I dropped the winny because the transdermal test has been proven to be ineffective on short runs. I know that's test and I have winny but with such a new product is rather not risk the gains. I haven't noticed anything winny related anyways.

 

[seandh07]

Today was chest, got bad news then good news and more bad news. So last night I decided to up prami to .5 e3d. MISTAKE!!!! Woke up drenched in sweat and puked 4 times within the hour. Still tried to keep diet in check although only been through about a gallon of water. The good news is strength is through the fkn roof!! Details below. More bad news, since I jumped straight into heavy, my tendons are terribly inflamed. I'm gonna hit legs only tomorrow and take sat/sun off to let tendons heal a bit. Hopefully I didn't do to much damage.

Incline bb press
135x8
165x8
195x8
225x8 (this is huge for me, 2 months ago I struggled with 185x6 but I breezed through this!)

Incline db fly
40x8
50x8
60x6

Flat bb press
135x8
175x8
215x8
275x3 (another huge one, I was only hitting 225x4 2 months ago!)

Flat db fly
45x8
55x8
65x6

Dumbbell overhead tricep press
100x8
115x8
130x8

Db tricep kickback
30x8
35x8
40x8

Cable reverse grip tricep ext
100x8x3

 

[psizzle_8]

Don't let the seasonal workout people see that. 'Prami makes you throw up?? *WeiGhT LoSS!!!~*ABS*~sUmmeR 2013!~*

 

[seandh07]

Don't let the seasonal workout people see that. 'Prami makes you throw up?? *WeiGhT LoSS!!!~*ABS*~sUmmeR 2013!~*

Yea I know your suppose to consume a fair amount of complex carbs 30-45min before bed when taking prami (no carbs is what causes the nausea) I forgot to do that when I went to bed at 8, woke up at 1000 when the gf got home and we did our thing then I remembered to take it. Lesson learned! And going back down to .25eod since I had no issues whatsoever at that dose.

 

[seandh07]

Tendons are inflamed! So bad that it really effected my workout today. Tomorrow just legs, no shoulders.

Deadlift
135x8
225x8
315x8
375x1

Underhand bb row
135x8
185x8
225x8
225x6

Lying tbar row
45x8
90x8
135x8
180x4

(This is when my tendons started to really effect me)

Close grip lat pull
180x8
200x8
220x8
240x6

Close grip preacher curl
85x8
85x7
85x6

Wide grip bb curl
60x8
80x8

Finished there, tendons killing me!

 

[bonacris]

Be careful man.. I got forearm tendonitis last summer when I was running winny.. had to take 6weeks out of lifting before I could do anything.. the week I got it I couldn't even brush my teeth with that arm the pain was so bad..

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[seandh07]

How'd you cure it?

 

[seandh07]

Well today I murdered my legs, I'm still in bed resting them! Arms still a little sore but hopefully icy hot and some anti inflammatory meds will help out.

Squats (really weak point for me
135x8
185x8
225x8
315x3

Leg press
600x8
780x8
960x8
1140x6 (new record, can't load any more weight...)

Leg ext
90x8
140x8
180x8

Leg curl
130x8
145x8
160x8

Hip adductor/
130x8
175x8
205x8

Hip abductor
125x8
145x8
165x8

Seated calf raise
45x8
90x8
115x8
135x8

Standing calf raise (smith machine)
225x8
225x8
315x8
315x8

Then a pretty brutal ab circuit.

 

[bonacris]

How'd you cure it?

Had to just let it heal.. nothing was working.. tried very high dose glucosamine.. it might have helped but rest was the only think that really worked

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[ballslee]

why would you drop the winny?
and the transdermal test was proven to be effective by needto himself. blood tests don't tell the whole story. in fact im fairly sure you have winstrol there, thats why your joints started hurting. because they got extra estrogen in them that wasnt there when you were taking the winny.

if you don't believe me, take double your winstrol dosage. makes no sense why you would stop taking it, it isn't doing you any harm......

 

[seandh07]

Weekly update, strength through the roof, joint pain from hell and currently taking necessary precautions. I'm up to 183 despite eating lower than maintenance. I'm changing my split from doing a 3 day split back to back to working a 3 day split one day off and keep it like that. My joints are hating the extra stress of serious weight. Still loving this cycle and seeing changes daily.

Incline db press
60x8
75x8
90x8
100x4

Flat db press
70x8
85x8
100x8
110x7

Standing Cable incline fly
30x8
40x8
50x8

Standing cable flat fly
40x8
50x8
60x8

Skull crushers
80x8
90x8

Had to stop there due to not wanting to hurt myself more than I Already am.

 

[stevesmi]

what joints specifically are hurting man?

 

[seandh07]

Tendons on my forearms and either joints or tendons on elbows.

 

[bonacris]

Are you taking anything for joints at all

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[seandh07]

Glucosamine (3000mg/day) and chondroitin (2400 mg/day) but just started that this weekend

 

[bonacris]

Hopefully it'll work man.. wouldn't like to see you get an injury.. do you think it was the winny that did it

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[seandh07]

Hopefully it'll work man.. wouldn't like to see you get an injury.. do you think it was the winny that did it

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Not sure, I had been doing moderate weight high rep in order to cut and tone but the tren is working better for me as a lean bulk so I went to heavy weight moderate reps and almost instantly got the joint pain.

 

[stevesmi]

do you wear gloves?

 

[seandh07]

No gloves, only straps when doing heavy deads and shrugs (usually only twice)

 

[stevesmi]

i went through those forearm splints myself and it sucked. hopefully they will go away with time. i blamed it on the fact i would use gloves to lift, when i stopped using the gloves it took a little time but they went away.

my best advice is if it hurts don't do it. also the extra strength increase you are experiencing is not gonna help matters. it might be time to back way off on heavy lifting for a while until things catch up.

 

[bonacris]

How about increasing volume instead of weight.. Im still a novice to the iron game but this is what I would do.. how many weeks have you left?

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[seandh07]

Man I went one week going heavy to, guess I jumped to heavy to fast! I have about 3 weeks left. I def don't want to loose what I already earned! I'm still seeing noticeable gains daily!

 

[stevesmi]

what you are going through is what many runners go through with shin splints.. you have 'forearm splints'

2 things can happen

1. you can keep pounding away and they will go away on their own
2. you can keep pounding away and they will get way worse.

i chose option 2 when i was an endurance runner and STILL to this day my shins hurt when i run. crazy huh?
a lot of runners back then told me to just keep running and they would go away, with some guys they do.. but with me wasn't happening.

so be careful you don't want this problem to become chronic.

 

[seandh07]

Joint pain galore. Explosive strength has come with explosive joints!!!)l so bad that I have to hold on to the bar for a second so my hands will free up!! Guess I'm going back to lightweight sadly. I was loving the strength but my joints can't take it!

Dead lift
225x8
285x8
325x8
365x3

Db row
80x8
90x8
100x8
110x8

Wide grip lat pull
180x8
200x8
220x8
240x6

Wide grip t bar row
90x8
135x8
180x6
180x4

Db curl
40x8
50x8
60x4

Bb wide grip curl
70x5 (hands and forearms weren't having it!)

 

[stevesmi]

well good for you for listening to your body.

the dumb approach which i see a lot of fools doing is taking painkillers and joint drugs to kill the pain and then going in there and throwing heavy weights around like a gorilla..

as tempting as it is i've said this a million times you never want to increase strength in a short period of time.. its a cliche but it actually has plenty of science backing it in that your muscles grow faster than your tendons and ligaments. so let them catch up. once you are off cycle and your strenght comes back down to earth thats when they will start catching up faster.. another good reason to come off juice

 

[seandh07]

Noted! I'm going to see about hitting a nice medium between my light weight high rep/ heavy weight low rep. Try and hit moderate weight moderate rep and see what happens. I've made to good of gains to fuck myself up and loose everything!!

 

[seandh07]

Legs and shoulders today, tendons/joints feel a little better throughout the workout. Normally I do legs then shoulders but today I hit shoulders first so by the time I felt pain I'd he close to hitting legs. Plan worked great!

Standing bb press
95x8
115x8
135x8
135x6

Db shrugs
90x8
100x8
110x8
120x8

Front db raise
30x8
35x8
40x8

Side db raise
30x8
40x8
45x8

Rear delt db raise
30x8
40x8
50x8

Leg ext
210x8
265x8
305x8

Leg curl
145x8
160x8
175x8

Adductor
145x8
160x8
175x8

Abductor
275x8
290x8
305x8

Standing calf raise (smith machine)
225x8
315x8
405x8 (HUGE pr!!!)

 

[seandh07]

Tren blows my mind! Just got the myfitnesspal app just because I was curious. I'm only consuming 2576 calories a day, and I still gained 10lbs in 3.5 weeks! Mind blowing. I'm going to up a few things and try to reach 3000/day. Would be ecstatic to hit 190 by end of cycle! I'm just astonished by the weight gain while eating so few calories!

 

[seandh07]

Went against my better judgement and hit the gym today, took it easy though and joints seem to feel better.

Incline bb press
135x8
185x8
225x6

Flat bb press
135x8
205x8
255x5

Incline db fly
40x8
50x8
60x5

Flat db fly
50x8
60x8
60x6

Skull crushers
70x8
90x8
90x8

Rope tri ext
100x8
130x8
150x8

Reverse grip cable tri ext
50x8
60x8
70x8

 

[rustilldown]

Hey brother , I really experienced this bad on winny last time I gave it a go, TB500 worked wonders for me! What kind of pct do you have planned? Throw some ostarine in there and it also helps alot. One other thing people don't realize, extra Virgin coconut oil... Buy a tub of that ,
Take a tablespoon an hour before the gym with whatever pre workout snack you have, it's great on the joints. Maybe even take another tablespoon later In the day, coconut oil is also great for energy as it bypasses the gallbladder I believe and is broken down and metabolized for energy which is unique, great for folks with gall bladder issues and troubles digesting fats. Ok sorry I'm rambling . Coconut oil did help me alot while I was 5x5 training

Good log btw,

 

[stevesmi]

Tren blows my mind! Just got the myfitnesspal app just because I was curious. I'm only consuming 2576 calories a day, and I still gained 10lbs in 3.5 weeks! Mind blowing. I'm going to up a few things and try to reach 3000/day. Would be ecstatic to hit 190 by end of cycle! I'm just astonished by the weight gain while eating so few calories!

wha? wait a sec.. aren't you suppose to stack test with tren ALL the time? hmmmmm...

seriously i bet you are getting better gains WITHOUT the test. because you are letting your diet and training dictate your gains and the 1 compound is the icing on the cake. instead of throwing test, tren and a bunch of other shit

i also think because you already had your diet/training on point with a base that made things way easier .. frankly i'm not surprised by your gains.

 

[rustilldown]

wha? wait a sec.. aren't you suppose to stack test with tren ALL the time? hmmmmm...

seriously i bet you are getting better gains WITHOUT the test. because you are letting your diet and training dictate your gains and the 1 compound is the icing on the cake. instead of throwing test, tren and a bunch of other shit

i also think because you already had your diet/training on point with a base that made things way easier .. frankly i'm not surprised by your gains.

Didn't you get the memo Steve ? Tren without test equals no energy, libido, and mediocre gains ! Just playin I think if you want great gains keep the compounds simple and doses reasonable! Not to mention the dry gains without test are incredible , no matter what anyone says some people will hold more water with test regardless of using an AI . I am currently experimenting with helladrol and using dspark and hcg beside it and have never had such a powerful dry looking physique , sure test is great and makes you feel great, but isn't always necessary.

 

[rustilldown]

Oh and to the OP, those gelatin packs for jello or whatever are good to put into your shakes , also good in the joints

 

[bonacris]

Didn't you get the memo Steve ? Tren without test equals no energy, libido, and mediocre gains ! Just playin I think if you want great gains keep the compounds simple and doses reasonable! Not to mention the dry gains without test are incredible , no matter what anyone says some people will hold more water with test regardless of using an AI . I am currently experimenting with helladrol and using dspark and hcg beside it and have never had such a powerful dry looking physique , sure test is great and makes you feel great, but isn't always necessary.

Bro without test your dick will fall off and you will become a woman.. the amount of shite that is spread around the internet is incredible.. I'm loving this log..

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[seandh07]

I've had virtually no sides! The occasional headache or night sweat but nothing to alarming, not sure where ppl started thinking you need test with tren. No libido?! Yea fkn right, I fucked my dick raw this week!! Sadly alot of ppl are extremely ignorant on tren. This is my second injectable cycle (yes only second, ive ran 3 PH cycles with great success and and a test e cycle) alot of ppl are scared of this compound. I think they are just lazy and get by on 'lesser' sides with other compounds. Like I said, I did my research and am having GREAT success on tren a solo cycle! Eating at maintenance and gained 10lbs of solid hard muscle, lost some fat and strength explosion, yes please! Def running tren e next cycle!! Love this stuff, will be a staple!!

 

[bonacris]

I've had virtually no sides! The occasional headache or night sweat but nothing to alarming, not sure where ppl started thinking you need test with tren. No libido?! Yea fkn right, I fucked my dick raw this week!! Sadly alot of ppl are extremely ignorant on tren. This is my second injectable cycle (yes only second, ive ran 3 PH cycles with great success and and a test e cycle) alot of ppl are scared of this compound. I think they are just lazy and get by on 'lesser' sides with other compounds. Like I said, I did my research and am having GREAT success on tren a solo cycle! Eating at maintenance and gained 10lbs of solid hard muscle, lost some fat and strength explosion, yes please! Def running tren e next cycle!! Love this stuff, will be a staple!!

I've done plenty of research not just here but on other established sites and the amount of misinformation is simply staggering.. tren only cycles a hugely frowned upon and you can see why when people running it have no clue what's going on.. majority don't use caber/prami, take an ai when its not needed, and then try to recover with a hcg, nolva ,Clomid pct.. this is why I keep coming back to this site.. there is a bit more knowledge and the brothers and sisters post science rather than sprouting nonsense like your dick will cease to function etc.. and we have excellent logs like this that proved, when done correctly tren only can be a great cycle with great results

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[seandh07]

Today I was feeling great so I pushed myself a little further than I should have, not to bad though. Did 3 sets per exercise again but went a little heavier than I should have and caused issues while working bis

Deadlift
225x8
275x8
325x8

Hammer strength iso high row
180x8
270x8
360x6

Hammer strength iso low row
180x8
270x8
360x8

Wide grip lat pull
200x8
240x6
240x6

Wide grip lat push down
150x8
180x8
200x6

Wide grip Bb curl
70x8
60x8
50x8

Close grip Preacher curl
75x8
85x7
75x8

 

[notjake11]

This is said from someone older and from a place of respect/love/advice:

Stop being a fucking idiot. Every single time you've pushed too hard the last couple of weeks you have complained about joint pain and you seem to understand that your muscle strength has pushed too damned high for your current joint/tendon/ligament strength. Your last workout you backed off a little and felt much better. The very next day you push the envelope again and, no surprise, it hurts again. Take the hint. Take care of your body before you seriously hurt yourself and do damage you will feel for the rest of your life.

LISTEN TO YOUR BODY WHEN IT TELLS YOU SOMETHING HURTS!!!

 

[Fishak]

This is said from someone older and from a place of respect/love/advice:

Stop being a fucking idiot. Every single time you've pushed too hard the last couple of weeks you have complained about joint pain and you seem to understand that your muscle strength has pushed too damned high for your current joint/tendon/ligament strength. Your last workout you backed off a little and felt much better. The very next day you push the envelope again and, no surprise, it hurts again. Take the hint. Take care of your body before you seriously hurt yourself and do damage you will feel for the rest of your life.

LISTEN TO YOUR BODY WHEN IT TELLS YOU SOMETHING HURTS!!!

I agree 100%. My elbows and shoulders are screwed and I am only 28. Over training, going too heavy too fast jacked me up. And this is before I ever used aas... Add juice into picture with easy strength gains your bound to really jack your self up.
Luckily ive learned to listen to my body and how to pace myself. I am almost fully recovered from my last injury. shoot to add a small amounts of weight every few weeks not every workout.

 

[Head 35]

Yep my body was trying to tell me what did I do ignore it and rip goes the shoulder just that easy I will never be able to bench press again

 

[seandh07]

Believe me I hear you loud and clear. The weight I was pushing is nothing excessive for me, yesterday (back/bis) i didn't increase any weight. I can push that off cycle which is what I planned on doing. With the strength increase lately I could have done the rows with another plate on each side. Pain didnt set in until I got to BIs which I obviously went very light and easy. Normally I do 4 sets of everything but I'm keeping it at 3 sets and going with weight I can push naturally.

 

[seandh07]

Weekly update; strength came on fast but sadly I can't take full advantage of it because my joints and tendons. I did follow advice and grabbed some coconut oil and will be using that accordingly. What I'm going to do is still run moderately heavy but instead of 4 sets an exercise ill stick to only three, depending on how my body responds is how I will asses more weight, more reps, more sets and vice versa. Ill be focusing ALOT on perfecting my form even though its already pretty damn good. I'm going to try to get comfortable with the weight that I would consider heavy while naturally that way when I come off ill hopefully maintain the strength I currently have. I highly doubt ill go up in anything anymore besides legs if possible, and maybe try to slowly increase my deadlift maybe 5lbs more a week (10 at extreme most) recovery on the ligaments has improved greatly since loading up on glucosamine and chondroitin as well as taking it 'easy' in the gym. I use that term loosely because I still keep it pretty intense. Ill also up the cardio to about 30 min daily and attempt to burn 350-409cal a session which shouldn't be to bad. I'm still sitting at 181 and completely comfortable with my size. Although wouldnt complain if I got a little bigger. I would have to eat another 500+ cal a day to hit 190 in 4 weeks but I just don't know where to fit that in at! All doses are staying current. This now marks 4 weeks in to the cycle. Originally I had planned for 6 weeks but I'm just going to run until I'm out, or 8 weeks max, whichever comes first. Still loving this cycle. It seems like no matter what I eat it goes straight to muscle mass. Diet has changed to much and I add things here and there just to enjoy some kind of taste every few days. Cheat meals are still in place, 2/3 a week but usually consist of something high in protein and carbs. The pinning everyday is starting to get old and considering the sides I have a negligible and extremely bearable I think I'll run Tren E next time to avoid being a pic vision. Yesterday was shoulders and legs. Intensity was up but I was conscious not to over work my muscles for obvious reasons.

Military press
95x8
125x8
145x8

Shrugs
225x8
275x8
315x8

Upright row
95x8
125x8
145x8

Db front raises
25x8
30x8
35x8

Db side raises
30x8
35x8
40x8

Hammer strength rear dealt raise (still uses free weights)
25x8
40x8
50x8

Hammer strength leg ext
90x8
140x8
189x8

Hammer strength leg curl
150x8
170x8
190x8

Hip adductor
165x8
185x8
205x8

Hip abductor
115x8
140x8
165x8

Smith standing calf raise
225x8
315x8
405x8

Seated calf raise
90x8
135x8
180x6

 

[seandh07]

Today was chest, luckily the pain I've been having I'd subsiding. Today was chest and ill be doing something different for a while. Instead of doing full chest twice I'm going to do upper chest on Monday and mid chest on Thursday.

Smith incline press
135x8
195x8
255x6

Incline bb press
135x8
185x8
225x5

Incline db press
70x8
85x8
100x5

Incline db fly
40x8
50x8
60x8

Standing incline cable fly
40x8
50x8
60x8

Overhead tricep ext
100x8
115x8
130x8

Rope tricep ext
50x8
70x8
80x8

Reverse tricep ext
50x8
70x8
90x8

 

[seandh07]

Update for yesterday. Arms feeling alot better but I seem to be getting sick, must be this 'winter' weather we are having. Ill be taking today and possibly tomorrow off.

Dead lift
125x8
225x8
295x8
345x4

Lying wide grip tbar row
90x8
135x8
180x4

Standing close grip tbar row
90x8
135x8
180x8

Wide grip lat pull
200x8
220x8
240x8

Close grip lat pull
180x8x3

Cable high curls
40x8
50x8
60x8

Db curls
40x8
50x8
60x6

 

[seandh07]

So I went ahead and blasted shoulders today. Started feeling better throughout the day. Thanks to the Marines I did my cardio pre workout. I had to do a fitness test and I'm proud to say that even with the huge increase in mass (25lbs since last test) I still made my 3 mile run around the same time as last test (25.25) arms felt pretty good as far as the soreness, definitely still there but getting better everyday.

Db shoulder press
50x8
60x8
70x8

Smith upright row
115x8
155x8
185x8

Db shrugs
100x8
115x8
125x4

Db front raise
25x8
35x8
45x8

Db side raise
30x8
40x8
50x8

Db rear delt raise
35x8
45x8
50x8

Arnold's
40x8
50x8
60x8

 

[stevesmi]

you definately should consider having a de-load week bro to let your connective and soft tissues catch up

it will pay off long term.

 

[seandh07]

you definately should consider having a de-load week bro to let your connective and soft tissues catch up

it will pay off long term.

Highly considering it next week. Thinking 50% max moderate rep.

 

[bonacris]

Any updates Sean?

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[seandh07]

Hey guys, sorry I kinda fell off the earth, personal issues. Anyways I'm about 4 weeks into PCT. I got up to 187 (started at 173) and now I'm currently at 172. Good news is, every bit of muscle mass stayed, it seemed like as doin as I started PCT the fat just slid off. Very happy with the results. Strength is about the same as pre cycle but form has drastically improved.