Tren/Test/Var Cycle - Thoughts?

[snowtrax1]

I've been doing OMAD/IF Keto (low-carb), cardio, weights for the past year or so and currently down to the following. I've lifted all my life, fell off when I was married, but now back in to it.

SW: 267 lbs, BF: 34%
CW: 210 lbs, BF: 21%
H: 6'1" , Age: 39

This would be my 3rd cycle, previous cycles:



1. Primo/Winny - This was a while ago, can't remember what I did.
2. Test E/Tren A/T3/Clomid - Overall good l results! I wasn't a crazy fan of T3 or Clen; so don't think I will be using these again. The Tren A (225mg-300mg week depending on EOD layout for 8 weeks) wasn't bad, wasn't a fan of the EOD pinning and had some minor sides but could handle them. The Test E I ran at 500mg for 12 weeks. Ran Aromasin throughout cycle too + PCT at the end.

Before I start this cycle, I want to first try to get down to around 190 lbs with bf of around 15%; so, I'll just be continuing my OMAD/IF Keto, cardio, weights in the meantime but wanted to get some feedback on this cutting cycle; not looking for massive gains but just leaned out look.

Week 1-12 Test E - 125 mg 1x week (Mon)
Week 1-12 Tren E - 200 mg 2x week (Mon, Thurs) (400mg week)
Week 3-12 Anavar 50 mg per day (350mg week)
Week 1-12 Cabergoline 0.25 mg E3D
Week 1-12 Aromasin 12.5 mg EOD or Arimidex 0.5mg EOD
Week 1-12 N2 Guard 7 caps per day
Week 1-17 Cardarine 20 mg per day
Week 13-14 OFF
Week 15-17 PCT (Clomid / Nolva)

I've been reading a bunch of posts, and this time I want to try having Tren higher than Test, and see how my body handles it. I was in between the following.

1. Originally had Test at 250 mg a week but dropped it down to 125 mg based on what I read online, should 125 mg be good with Tren at 400 mg a week?

2. Also, was going back and forth on either running this 10 or 12 weeks; does the 2 extra weeks make much of a difference?

Thank you!

 

[stevesmi]

with tren once you hit week 6 or 7 it will start getting brutal. i would not go 12 weeks at all

 

[snowtrax1]

Ok, thanks...maybe I'll run Tren 8 weeks and see how I feel at that point and if good push to 10 weeks, and I'll run Test for the full 12 weeks.

 

[dylangemelli]

i would stick with 8 weeks of tren bro... ive seen guys run it longer but most generally have had enough after 6-8 weeks of it

i personally dont recommend people run cycles until they are more around 12-13% body fat

 

[SteveMobsterG]

Nice on getting the fat down to where it is but you need to drop more before the gear.

 

[snowtrax1]

Thanks for the replies!

Ok, will probably go down to 8 weeks of Tren E and see how that goes.

Ty...yeah, still need to drop more bf so will make sure diet and workouts are on point; I'm thinking about next year for this cycle so hopefully I drop enough by then.

 

[SteveMobsterG]

To paraphrase don't put the cart in front of the horse. Lose the fat first then cycle.

 

[cbbram]

I recommend getting into the proper condition before running a cycle. SARMS would be a better option at your bf%.

www.esarms.com

 

[RickRock13]

You need to get into better shape before running a cycle

 

[RoySimpson]

Can never go wrong with lowering bf% ever!

 

[snowtrax1]

Thanks for the replies! Definitely agree, still need to work on getting bf down further until I even decide to start this.

Ok, made some modifications based on feedback I received:

Week 1-10 Test E - 125 mg 2x week (250mg week)
Week 1-8 Tren E - 200 mg 2x week (400mg week)
Week 5-10 Anavar 50 mg per day (350mg week)
Week 1-10 Aromasin 12.5 mg EOD or Arimidex 0.5mg EOD - [On hand, only use if needed.]
Week 1-10 Instead of Caber going to use Vitamin B6, E - [Help with Prolactin if I even need it.]
Week 1-10 Nizoral 2% Shampoo or Propecia/Rogain - [Use if needed.]
Week 11-13 OFF
Week 14-17 PCT (Clomid / Nolva)

1. After looking into Caber more, just didn't like what I read about it but as long as I keep Estrogen in check I think I should be fine with just using vitamin B6/E. However, what type of dosages should I be taking with vitamin B6/E? Just run this 10 weeks through cycle?

2. I know Aromasin is a “suicide” inhibitor and I did take it in my previous cycle but was thinking of using Arimidex this time around but see it can have a "estrogen rebound" after cycle. I probably won't even need any AI on 250mg/week of Test but just wondering what you guys prefer?

3. Hair loss doesn't run in my family and it can just be my paranoia thinking my hair has been thinning recently, but I was thinking of using either Propecia, Rogain, or Nizoral 2% Shampoo to help with DHT levels. Has anyone ever used any of these on cycle? At what dosages did you take it at?

Thanks, again!

 

[Black87]

If you keep estrogen in check most likely you will be good with tren or deca, its most important to keep estrogen in normal range with nandrolones. 400-500mg of vitamin B6 would be good dose for prolactin on tren cycle, but keep caber on hand just in case.
Arimidex is not good choice for and AI, you can have rebound effect on adex and believe or not you can get gyno on 250mg of test, I know few guys with gyno and they run trt dose of test, we are all different. So stay with aromasin, by far the best AI a.
When it comes to hair, its all genetic IMO. I have run many times mast/winny combo without any issue...Don t be paranoid.
Tren e for 8 weeks is on "border line", its longer ester, I would rather run tren a for 8 weeks, it will kick in faster and you can control sides better with tren a

 

[SteveMobsterG]

So... don't run a TRT dose ha ha

 

[stevesmi]

I use n2shampoo

 

[Black87]

So... don't run a TRT dose ha ha

Without AI of course not, its possible to catch gyno on 200mg test per week without AI...

 

[RickRock13]

I think the tren dose is too high. 200 to 300 is more than plenty