Tren Test Mast +PCT Suggestions

[LiquidPhire]

Hey guys,

I am planning on running a tren/test/mast cycle 100/100/75 starting soon, curious if I can shoot 2cc's instead EOD instead of 1 ED to cut back on some injections. Also this cycle will last for 4-6 weeks depending on how much is there. Anyone wanna suggest a PCT? I Will run this up until I leave for south beach then begin pct 7 days later when I return, thanks!

 

[GUARDIAN]

EOD injects would be fine.

 

[mus1cjunk1e]

Yup im running basically the same cycle now. You can definitely do EOD. You can even get away with M/W/F but EOD is better.

Going to WMC? LOL Thats exactly how I'm running my cycle. Im running it up until WMC and then start PCT after. Actually what I'm gonna do is run Derma for the last month of my cycle (the month of march) but my last injects will be the week before WMC. I'm gonna continue just derma while im at my hotel for WMC then when I go back home I'm gonna run just derma for another month. And then Sustain for 2 months. Also I will be running Post Cycle and probably Unleashed. I don't know when to start using Post Cycle though. I don't know if I should wait until I'm on the sustain alpha or if I should start using it when I'm doing the month of just derma.

 

[njmuscleguy]

Liquid: Hopefully you can get 6 weeks out of your cycle... 4 weeks in, you should just be hitting full-swing and being on top of the world.... it'd be a shame to stop at that point. Will you be running any H C G? If so, do it throughout the cycle... go down to Miami, then start P C T immediately.... heck, if you can get some Sustain, just take it with you and start down there.

mus1cjunkie: Theoretically, you can run the Post Cycle any time...if not mistaken, I think Nelson uses it as a daily supplement simply for its multi-purpose benefits (liver support, estrogen control, etc.). But if you're gonna run original derma after your cycle, theoretically, that's still part of your cycle and not P C T... so you could wait until after the derma and start the Post Cycle when you do the Sustain.

 

[mus1cjunk1e]

Ya thats how I was gonna look at it. I'm considering p.c.t to be when I start sustain. The derma is just to let the gear completely get out of my body but still keep my test levels up so when I start p.c.t. I don't have any gear still in my system.

 

[njmuscleguy]

I wanna go to Miami too

 

[mus1cjunk1e]

It helps if you live 45 minutes away

 

[mus1cjunk1e]

Now I gotta get all cut up before I go down there so I can bang a bunch of south beach bitches

 

[needtogetaas]

Liquid: Hopefully you can get 6 weeks out of your cycle... 4 weeks in, you should just be hitting full-swing and being on top of the world.... it'd be a shame to stop at that point. Will you be running any H C G? If so, do it throughout the cycle... go down to Miami, then start P C T immediately.... heck, if you can get some Sustain, just take it with you and start down there.

mus1cjunkie: Theoretically, you can run the Post Cycle any time...if not mistaken, I think Nelson uses it as a daily supplement simply for its multi-purpose benefits (liver support, estrogen control, etc.). But if you're gonna run original derma after your cycle, theoretically, that's still part of your cycle and not P C T... so you could wait until after the derma and start the Post Cycle when you do the Sustain.

Good post.

 

[LiquidPhire]

Thanks bros I will start it tomorrow. I can begin pct when I come back. I am leaving the 13th...

 

[black sheep]

Tren sides are usually not as bad if you run ED.

Run the test 2 weeks past the tren - it will help in recovery. Some people crash hard when ending a cycle with tren

 

[LiquidPhire]

I crashed horrible hard last spring break off the same cycle.... I will try to run it ed until I run out. I have some AIFM left over and will probably bring that with me to hopefully keep the crash from when I will be down in miami , just booked it im stoked and semi-broke. HCG throughout? I have 5000 ui's still.. but not sure if I should run it before or just for PCT? Thanks again guys.

 

[black sheep]

Run that HCG during the 2 weeks after tren while you are still on test.. Since you are using Prop you will go right into PCT. I use the following:

1-5 Aromasin 20mg ED
1-3 Clomid 50mg ED
1-5 Nolva 20mg ED

 

[LiquidPhire]

black , my timing is a little off and late. But can you help me find a suggestion, I have 4 weeks until I hit the beaches, I will start tomorrow but I can't stop the tren after 2 weeks to run the test a bit longer , if i stop them both at the same time any idea what I can do to prevent? I will be in a different state for a week so Ican't bring clomid etc with me.

 

[black sheep]

black , my timing is a little off and late. But can you help me find a suggestion, I have 4 weeks until I hit the beaches, I will start tomorrow but I can't stop the trenbolone after 2 weeks to run the test a bit longer , if i stop them both at the same time any idea what I can do to prevent? I will be in a different state for a week so Ican't bring clomid etc with me.

Run a long ester test along side the prop/tren/etc - Run Test e at 250mg a week on top of your already put together plan. Drop everything when you leave and start your pct when you get back.

 

[LiquidPhire]

Run a long ester test along side the testosterone propionate/trenbolone/etc - Run testosterone enanthate at 250mg a week on top of your already put together plan. Drop everything when you leave and start your PCT - post cycle therapy - when you get back.

Thanks bro for getting back to me and clearing that up!

 

[LiquidPhire]

A quick question about HCG , I get shut down so hard after the past 2 cycles I am wondering if using HCG throughout and for pct would be a good idea or just for PCT , can I get a good answer please.

 

[access]

I used to use only for PCT but have found better results for me running it throughout cycle. I usually start it at about week 4 or whenever I know my balls are starting to go and then do 3 shots a week for remainder of cycle at 250iu's. Works well to keep them bouncing and also PCT recovery seems much better this way.

 

[LiquidPhire]

thanks

 

[GUARDIAN]

A quick question about HCG , I get shut down so hard after the past 2 cycles I am wondering if using HCG throughout and for pct would be a good idea or just for PCT , can I get a good answer please.

It is an extremely good idea for cycles with compounds that are very suppressive in general (deca for example) or if u have difficulty recovering from your cycles. I am recommending it more and more for just about all but the simplest of cycles. It will keep your boyz primed and ready for recovery when pct rolls around. There is no need to start it until a few weeks into your cycle when u actually get shutdown, imo. I would run it 250iu's X2 ew up until u start pct. I have seen more and more research that shows: 1) hcg is dose dependent in that there is typically an ideal dose (i have seen 500iu's every 5th day and 250iu's every 3rd or 4th day) that LH and helps restore and maintain maximal testosterone production in the testes. Any higher dose or increased frequency dose not stimulate more. Another drawback of increased doses is if hCG is used for too long and in too high a dose, the resulting rise in natural testosterone will eventually inhibit its own production via negative feedback on the hypothalamus and pituitary.

 

[LiquidPhire]

I will run it like that, but do you not use it for pct also 8and20? since youve already been using it for a period of time.

 

[GUARDIAN]

I will run it like that, but do you not use it for pct also 8and20? since youve already been using it for a period of time.

no need to run it during pct. clomid & nolva are enuf for pct imo when running hcg throughout.

 

[needtogetaas]

Run that HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - during the 2 weeks after trenbolone while you are still on test.. Since you are using testosterone propionate you will go right into PCT - post cycle therapy - . I use the following:

1-5 Aromasin 20mg ED
1-3 Clomid 50mg ED
1-5 Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - 20mg ED

I like the hcg idea. Don't like the nolva idea. Also think sustain alpha is the best pct you can get.

 

[access]

I agree with 8and20 if your running throughout cycle then it really doesn't seem warranted to continue with it during PCT. Run it up until you commence PCT and then just use Nolva. I am not a fan of Clomid at all. I also like to run IGF during PCT.

 

[LiquidPhire]

sweet thanks guys since my cycle is going to be only 4 weeks long run 250iu's x2 week?

 

[sensational]

It is an extremely good idea for cycles with compounds that are very suppressive in general (Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - for example) or if u have difficulty recovering from your cycles. I am recommending it more and more for just about all but the simplest of cycles. It will keep your boyz primed and ready for recovery when PCT - post cycle therapy - rolls around. There is no need to start it until a few weeks into your cycle when u actually get shutdown, imo. I would run it 250iu's X2 ew up until u start PCT - post cycle therapy - . I have seen more and more research that shows: 1) HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - is dose dependent in that there is typically an ideal dose (i have seen 500iu's every 5th day and 250iu's every 3rd or 4th day) that lh - leutenizing hormone - and helps restore and maintain maximal testosterone production in the testes. Any higher dose or increased frequency dose not stimulate more. Another drawback of increased doses is if hCG is used for too long and in too high a dose, the resulting rise in natural testosterone will eventually inhibit its own production via negative feedback on the hypothalamus and pituitary.

8and20, I am recently back in this game of bodybuilding, but back when I was going strong (4 years ago) the advice was to not run HCG with every cycle as it desensitized your leydig cells, is this still relevant, or am I just mistaken?

 

[GUARDIAN]

8and20, I am recently back in this game of bodybuilding, but back when I was going strong (4 years ago) the advice was to not run HCG with every cycle as it desensitized your leydig cells, is this still relevant, or am I just mistaken?

The initial response of testicular Leydig cells to stimulation by LH or h/c/g is an increase in testosterone secretion. Desensitization of the Leydig cell by h/c/g has been shown to depend on several factors, including LH receptor loss and subsequent lesions in the steroid biosynthetic pathway. These defects include a decrease in pregnenolone biosynthesis after treatment with high doses of h/c/g that cause marked LH receptor loss, and impaired conversion of progesterone to androstenedione after lower h/c/g doses that cause moderate loss of LH receptors. The possible participation of estrogen in the desensitizing effect of h/c/g upon Leydig cell function is furthersuggested by the increased production of estradiol in LH stimulated
testes, and by the presence of estradiol receptors in the testes. Recently, direct actions of estrogens on androgen secretion have been observed in
h/c/g treatment has been shown to be prevented by treatment with the estrogen antagonist, Tamoxifen (nolva).

The basic conclusion was nolvadex could help prevent desensitization of your leydig cells.

 

[sensational]

The initial response of testicular Leydig cells to stimulation by lh - leutenizing hormone - or h/c/g is an increase in testosterone secretion. Desensitization of the Leydig cell by h/c/g has been shown to depend on several factors, including LH receptor loss and subsequent lesions in the steroid biosynthetic pathway. These defects include a decrease in pregnenolone biosynthesis after treatment with high doses of h/c/g that cause marked LH receptor loss, and impaired conversion of progesterone to androstenedione after lower h/c/g doses that cause moderate loss of LH receptors. The possible participation of estrogen in the desensitizing effect of h/c/g upon Leydig cell function is furthersuggested by the increased production of estradiol in LH stimulated
testes, and by the presence of estradiol receptors in the testes. Recently, direct actions of estrogens on androgen secretion have been observed in
h/c/g treatment has been shown to be prevented by treatment with the estrogen antagonist, Tamoxifen (Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - ).

The basic conclusion was nolvadex could help prevent desensitization of your leydig cells.

Appreciate the response, thanks.

 

[LiquidPhire]

So 250iu's 2x a week is not a high dosage correct 8and20? I don't wanna fuck my body up anymore then I already do.

 

[GUARDIAN]

So 250iu's 2x a week is not a high dosage correct 8and20? I don't wanna fuck my body up anymore then I already do.

not it is not too high bro. u r all good.