Tren or Test in next cycle?

[freakzi11a]

Stats:

Height 6'2"
Weight 246 lbs
Body Fat 12%

Cycle History:

Cycle 1
Test Enth 600 mgs/week for 10 weeks
Deca 600 mgs/week for 10 weeks

Cycle 2
Test Enth 600 mgs/week for 10 weeks
EQ 600 mgs/week for 10 weeks

I plan on starting my next cycle within a month. My goal is to gain as much lean mass as possible with the least amount of bloat and water retention. Although I had great mass gains off the last two cycles, it still made me look soft and puffy. I am also very gyno prone. I was just wondering which of the two cycles would help me best at reaching my goals? Is there anything I should replace in one of the cycles? I was also thinking about replacing the EQ with Primo, would that be a good idea? How much should I be taking? Thanks

Cycle 1
Test Enth 600 mgs/week (weeks 1-10)
EQ 600 mgs/week (weeks 1-10)
Winstrol 100 mgs/day (weeks 4-10)
PCT

Cycle 2
Tren Ace 100 mgs/ ed (weeks 1-6)
EQ 600 mgs/week (weeks 1-12)
Winstrol 100 mgs/ed (weeks 6-12)
PCT

 

[Macronne]

I guess tren would be better, for a change

 

[Macronne]

I think you should also put the winstrol at the end of the cycle, like start it at week 10 and add clen to it as, u said you look soft and puffy, which will help shred fat, and water and also as anti-catabolic.

 

[saintsgod777]

Tren and test together. Don't do tren with eq or deca alone, also add test. Let me say this again...ALWAYS USE TEST AS THE BASE IN WHICH TO BUILD A CYCLE AROUND!

 

[Lowest]

I would say cycle two. You don't have to use test as a base, a lot of people like to but it has no true reasoning behind it. My libido, moods, sense of well-being, all are great on tren alone, or eq or deca with no test. However, you won't know that till you try it. That being said, I still like #2, b/c tren is great for lean mass and strength, it won't make you puffy. I would run the winstrol 2 or 3 weeks past the eq though, to let the eq clear so you can start PCT right away. Like eq 1-12, winstrol 10-15. Also, since it looks like you've never used winny before, cut the dose in half. 50mg/ed is more than enough to see great results.

 

[Null]

Tren without test will give yourself erection difficulty...

 

[Lowest]

That's a myth bro. Just like deca-dick. It's true for some people, not for all. I've taken deca, tren, and deca plus tren, all without test, and still had sex 2-3x per day. And I wanted it more than that. Tren is a strong androgen, I really doubt he'll have ED with tren and eq. But, he'll never know till he tries it.

 

[Null]

Ah, whatever, I'd rather be safe than sorrow. Alittle extra test never hurts anyways.

 

[saintsgod777]

Deca, eq and tren, over time, makes your body stop producing a normal amount of test, that is why test needs to added to the cycle.

 

[Lowest]

Saints... yes I know this. ANY exogenous androgen or anabolic will suppress natural test in time. That doesn't mean you necessarily have to ADD that test back. I'll agree, many people have better results running 200-250mg/week of test as replacement while on a cycle based on something else. However, not everyone has to do that. I've run plenty of cycles without test, including tren and deca together. Never had gyno problems, never had libido problems, never had bad moods or depression, only solid gains. So, test isn't a requirement for any cycle unless you know you'll suffer without it. That being said, most people do prefer test as a base and so do I... but that's b/c of the gains I get and the price, not b/c I feel I need it to replace what i'm no longer producing