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tren nipple soreness
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What else are you running with the tren? DO you have any Dostinex?
Mavafanculo
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Big A said:
correct
Mavafanculo
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jimmy04 said:
while there's no study's that I'm aware of on this, it is the longtime buzz among vets that winny competes with nandrolones for binding at the progesterone receptor
Mavafanculo
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jocephus said:
^^
Harleymarleybone
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Big A said:
You should run the Letrozole (Femara) now, and order some Cabergoline (Dostinex) very soon, if you don't have it.
Harleymarleybone said:
can you please explain how femora combats gyno caused by tren ? i see this posted every so often and was under the asumption that femora will only work on estrogen related gyno. i know dost will take care of progesterone issues very well. being that femora is such a strong aromatase inhibitor, if it only works on depleting estrogen and someone does not have high levels, couldnt this just cause more problems related to having to little estrogen ?
goku_kakarot77
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start using dostinex and femara asap, it should do the trick
Harleymarleybone
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searay said:
As you can tell from the responses, there are different schools of thought. Estrogen is a necessary component of any type of gyno. So, the theory is if you knock it out, it helps prevent it. Most (reasonable) people take test with tren or deca, so you are going to have estrogen issues, too. In some, limited cases anti-estrogens, like can exacerbate gyno issues with progesterone related AAS, but it is not that common. I think much of this is trial and error, and I would try Letro, as well as anti-progestins.
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ALIN
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Big A said:
you may need BROMO or DOSTINEX
Mavafanculo
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searay said:
there's 3 pieces to this puzzle:
progesterone (sort of)
prolactin
estrogen
1) nandrolones do not convert to progesterone, rather they are progestins or progesterone-receptor (PR) agonists. they bind/act weakly as progesterones.
2) this stimulation of the PR causes the pituitary to release excess amounts of prolactin
3) elevated prolactin, hyperprolactenemia, can cause whats known colloquially as "prolactin gyno" but its not gyno at all. the symptoms are
-NO LUMP, and/or
-enlarged and/or darkened and/or sensitive nipples, and/or
-lactation
- difficulty or inability to achieve orgasm. this aorgasmia is usually the first sign of elevated prolactin.
Dostinex, and or B-6 (and also ginseng but I dont recall what variety) are effective at lowering prolactin levels.
4) While there is still debate whether such a thing as "progesterone gyno" exists in this context (a nandrolone cycle), the consensus is that if it exists it requires estrogen to manifest.
since letro is so effective at ridding your body of estrogen, no estrogen = no P-gyno.
hope that helps
nzrodney
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Prolactin gyno can be seen in other areas of the chest area, as well as in the nipples, in the glands under the pecs & arms. These can get enlarged & be sore to touch. Whilst the normal proceedure is to take dostinex (cabergoline) at .5mg twice weekly it is quite $$$ so a good heavy dose of B6 say 5mg Ed is worth trying first for a few days. It is not absolutely necessary to run Letro at this stage unless estrogen lump gyno is present & a less invasive AI like Aromisan or Arimidex can be used.
Mavafanculo
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nzrodney said:
hey bro, whats up .
I have to disagree with you here - what yu describe may be symptoms of progesterone gyno or mixed PG/E , but not hyperprolactenemia.
at least I've never seen any literature describing those symptoms as being associated with elevated prolactin levels.
any source links to look at?
So what exactly is THE BEST thing for gyno and pct to have while on a tren and prop cycle.. I myself am starting this next week. and I hear so many damn answers.. I want to know WHAT to have for gyno and for pct?
Dostinex, Femara, and Chlomid? Or what.. I need to know this asap
Dostinex, Femara, and Chlomid? Or what.. I need to know this asap
Jon79
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na wtf don't throw the clomid out bro....natecr said:
clomid is more used for pct.....(after the cycle to get your test levels back to normal)
ill tell u what im using sustain alpha right now and that shit is amazing.
ok so wait ..i want to help you.
what exactly do you have on hand? list it please and tell me exactly what you are running and what your plan was
Jon79
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ya you will be fine with the dos and letro. like i said just take a small dose of dos and if gyno problems arise then move in with the letronatecr said:i am doing 6 weeks tren a and test p
i a planning on taking chlomid for pct and to have on hand lethrozole and dostinex.
how does sustain alpha compare???
i just want the best shit i can get my hands on for no gyno and i personally would like to keep using my dick ya know
nzrodney
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How are you my Italian Friend? Been busy on other boards & dealing with injury issues so sorry not chatted. Catch up soon.Mavafanculo said:
Progeserone gyno can be caused by taking Progestins like Deca, Anadrol & Tren. Prolactin gyno as part of male breast enlargement & secretion of mucus & milk from the nipple due to increased prolactin levels in the body, is termed hyperprolact(i)nemia. On a quick Google I cant find any specific ref to where I have had problems, typically in the area under the pecs. this was treated by B6 & 6OXO successfully on two occassions. Subsequently I am currently running Dost @ .5mg twice weekly to clean up other sexual issues which I take to be induced by long term use of Deca some Drol & Tren. Perhaps you are right Mav (as you usually are!) in my terminology. However there does not seem to be in BBing circles an understanding of Prog Gyno as there is estrogen Gyno, & the terms are broadly grouped under many headings. In any event they are all related to increased Prolactin levels I believe.
big___mike
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Im having no luck finding dostinex, is it available online? I have all the other things I need to get started.
