tren nipple soreness

[Harleymarleybone]

can you please explain how femora combats gyno caused by tren ? i see this posted every so often and was under the asumption that femora will only work on estrogen related gyno. i know dost will take care of progesterone issues very well. being that femora is such a strong aromatase inhibitor, if it only works on depleting estrogen and someone does not have high levels, couldnt this just cause more problems related to having to little estrogen ?

As you can tell from the responses, there are different schools of thought. Estrogen is a necessary component of any type of gyno. So, the theory is if you knock it out, it helps prevent it. Most (reasonable) people take test with tren or deca, so you are going to have estrogen issues, too. In some, limited cases anti-estrogens, like can exacerbate gyno issues with progesterone related AAS, but it is not that common. I think much of this is trial and error, and I would try Letro, as well as anti-progestins.

 

[ALIN]

started tren about a week an a half ago, left nip really sore, should at start femera and adex now or run something else? What does should i run it st?

you may need BROMO or DOSTINEX

 

[Mavafanculo]

can you please explain how femora combats gyno caused by tren ? i see this posted every so often and was under the asumption that femora will only work on estrogen related gyno. i know dost will take care of progesterone issues very well. being that femora is such a strong aromatase inhibitor, if it only works on depleting estrogen and someone does not have high levels, couldnt this just cause more problems related to having to little estrogen ?

there's 3 pieces to this puzzle:

progesterone (sort of)
prolactin
estrogen

1) nandrolones do not convert to progesterone, rather they are progestins or progesterone-receptor (PR) agonists. they bind/act weakly as progesterones.

2) this stimulation of the PR causes the pituitary to release excess amounts of prolactin

3) elevated prolactin, hyperprolactenemia, can cause whats known colloquially as "prolactin gyno" but its not gyno at all. the symptoms are

-NO LUMP, and/or
-enlarged and/or darkened and/or sensitive nipples, and/or
-lactation
- difficulty or inability to achieve orgasm. this aorgasmia is usually the first sign of elevated prolactin.

Dostinex, and or B-6 (and also ginseng but I dont recall what variety) are effective at lowering prolactin levels.

4) While there is still debate whether such a thing as "progesterone gyno" exists in this context (a nandrolone cycle), the consensus is that if it exists it requires estrogen to manifest.

since letro is so effective at ridding your body of estrogen, no estrogen = no P-gyno.


hope that helps

 

[Jon79]

started tren about a week an a half ago, left nip really sore, should at start femera and adex now or run something else? What does should i run it st?

what you should have done was known what the f to do before you start shooting yourself with tren.

 

[Jon79]

just add in some winstrol

yea just add another steroid.....great advice!

 

[nzrodney]

Prolactin gyno can be seen in other areas of the chest area, as well as in the nipples, in the glands under the pecs & arms. These can get enlarged & be sore to touch. Whilst the normal proceedure is to take dostinex (cabergoline) at .5mg twice weekly it is quite $$$ so a good heavy dose of B6 say 5mg Ed is worth trying first for a few days. It is not absolutely necessary to run Letro at this stage unless estrogen lump gyno is present & a less invasive AI like Aromisan or Arimidex can be used.

 

[xrsist]

letro is a must have before starting any cycle imo

 

[Mavafanculo]

Prolactin gyno can be seen in other areas of the chest area, as well as in the nipples, in the glands under the pecs & arms. These can get enlarged & be sore to touch. Whilst the normal proceedure is to take dostinex (cabergoline) at .5mg twice weekly it is quite $$$ so a good heavy dose of B6 say 5mg Ed is worth trying first for a few days. It is not absolutely necessary to run Letro at this stage unless estrogen lump gyno is present & a less invasive AI like Aromisan or Arimidex can be used.

hey bro, whats up .

I have to disagree with you here - what yu describe may be symptoms of progesterone gyno or mixed PG/E , but not hyperprolactenemia.

at least I've never seen any literature describing those symptoms as being associated with elevated prolactin levels.

any source links to look at?

 

[natecr]

So what exactly is THE BEST thing for gyno and pct to have while on a tren and prop cycle.. I myself am starting this next week. and I hear so many damn answers.. I want to know WHAT to have for gyno and for pct?
Dostinex, Femara, and Chlomid? Or what.. I need to know this asap

 

[Jon79]

So what exactly is THE BEST thing for gyno and pct to have while on a tren and prop cycle.. I myself am starting this next week. and I hear so many damn answers.. I want to know WHAT to have for gyno and for pct?
Dostinex, Femara, and Chlomid? Or what.. I need to know this asap

have letro and dostinex on hand

just take a small dose of dos unless someting flares up