Tren lean bulker

[medrep]

OK guys I'm starting this week (I know a little late for a cutter) and wanted to put it out here for AI/PCT advice before it starts, thanks to you know who you are for help so far:

1-12 Test E 500/wk
3-10 Tren Ace 50/dy
3-10 Winny 50/dy

For AI and PCT I have adex/clomid/prov. I would like to get by without HCG but this is what was recommended
1-10 Prov 25/dy
1-16 Adex .5/dy
11-12 HCG 500iu/e3-4dys
13-16 clomid

I'm 6' 200 lbs around 10-12%bf. Low Intensity Cardio 30min 4-5 dys/wk + clean diet 240g protien/200g carbs/40g fat daily.

Please look over the AI/PCT and tell me what you think about getting by without HCG. Thanks you guys have been a ton of help!

 

[nydj66]

I ran an almost identical cycle a couple months ago and the results were phenomenal. Insomnia was a huge problem though.

For PCT, I ran 500IU of HGC/day for 20 days then three weeks of 100mg/day of clomid. The recovery was very rough; the third week of clomid I couldn't get hard even with 100mg of viagra. However, things steadily got better and I am fully recovered now.

 

[BIG DADDY DIESEL]

OK guys I'm starting this week (I know a little late for a cutter) and wanted to put it out here for AI/PCT advice before it starts, thanks to you know who you are for help so far:

1-12 Test E 500/wk
3-10 Tren Ace 50/dy
3-10 Winny 50/dy

For AI and PCT I have adex/clomid/prov. I would like to get by without HCG but this is what was recommended
1-10 Prov 25/dy
1-16 Adex .5/dy
11-12 HCG 500iu/e3-4dys
13-16 clomid

I'm 6' 200 lbs around 10-12%bf. Low Intensity Cardio 30min 4-5 dys/wk + clean diet 240g protien/200g carbs/40g fat daily.

Please look over the AI/PCT and tell me what you think about getting by without HCG. Thanks you guys have been a ton of help!

You might want to add more protien to your diet bro ... at 200 pounds you want to have about 375-400 grams

 

[medrep]

I ran an almost identical cycle a couple months ago and the results were phenomenal. Insomnia was a huge problem though.

For PCT, I ran 500IU of HGC/day for 20 days then three weeks of 100mg/day of clomid. The recovery was very rough; the third week of clomid I couldn't get hard even with 100mg of viagra. However, things steadily got better and I am fully recovered now.

Were you using an AI or SERM when on? I've talked to alot of people about the insomnia, thats why i'm starting at 50ed to see how my body reacts, and why I'm using ace. Then I will adjust from there.

 

[nydj66]

Were you using an AI or SERM when on? I've talked to alot of people about the insomnia, thats why i'm starting at 50ed to see how my body reacts, and why I'm using ace. Then I will adjust from there.

I ran it with aromasin, 20mg/day. I still got some progesterone gyno but that's typical for me. I also ran the tren at 50mg/day.

 

[VascularitY]

id sub the Test E for Test Prop, your going to be doing ED injections anyway, and I think you will be happier with the results from the prop. Plus with beginning tren at week 3, the prop would be better suited anyway because it will kick in much faster.

 

[medrep]

id sub the Test E for Test Prop, your going to be doing ED injections anyway, and I think you will be happier with the results from the prop. Plus with beginning tren at week 3, the prop would be better suited anyway because it will kick in much faster.

i hear you, but the e should already be here this week. i didn't want to kick start with dbol because last time i used that shit my face blew up (granted i didn't use an anti e or AI). #1 this time is prevent water retention and harden up/cut, maybe put on a few lean pounds.

So my thoughts on PCT were nolva out due to tren, so can i get by without HCG and just run the adex/prov/clomid?

 

[Twoguns]

i hear you, but the e should already be here this week. i didn't want to kick start with dbol because last time i used that shit my face blew up (granted i didn't use an anti e or AI). #1 this time is prevent water retention and harden up/cut, maybe put on a few lean pounds.

So my thoughts on PCT were nolva out due to tren, so can i get by without HCG and just run the adex/prov/clomid?

I have the same question, I don't plan on using HCG, only nolva and clomid.

 

[Ulter]

I would certainly recommend AIFM over that Arimdex.
The rest looks great. You should do very well with that.

 

[solidspine]

Your pct looks great, actually so does your cycle, although that is a long time for fina and winny together.

 

[VascularitY]

I have the same question, I don't plan on using HCG, only nolva and clomid.

If your running Tren, HCG is a must....get rid of the nolva and just use HCG/clomid

 

[medrep]

If your running Tren, HCG is a must....get rid of the nolva and just use HCG/clomid

Quadz, thanks for your help, can you explain your thought behind this? Half the people here say you can do good PCT without HCG, others disagree

I understand no Nolva with Tren because of PgR, but why is HCG a must? Im using adex throughout for AI and prov for libido

When I come off why can't I continue with the adex to prevent e rebound and begin clomid