tren, eq, test cyp amounts for cycle

[sammysobig]

I'm a newbie with anabolics, I'm 36 and been lifting for 20 years off and on. Want more results so I'm trying this cycle. Know it is a lot for a newbie but did a fair amount of research. I lack knowledge on using clomid, nolvadex and hcg, but have them all. My cycle is 1-12week Eq 500mg
1-12week test cyp 600mg
6-12 tren enanthate 300mg a week
I am only 1 week into cycle, please let me know what you think and what amounts of clomid, nolvadex, and hcg.

 

[billino32]

I just got off a cycle of test cyp and tren, had some decca with it.. and got really good results.. your decision to include nolva and clomid is great... I kept most of my gains!! 1st cycle I did i didnt use pct.. lost EVERYTHING!!

I'm a newbie with anabolics, I'm 36 and been lifting for 20 years off and on. Want more results so I'm trying this cycle. Know it is a lot for a newbie but did a fair amount of research. I lack knowledge on using clomid, nolvadex and hcg, but have them all. My cycle is 1-12week Eq 500mg
1-12week test cyp 600mg
6-12 tren enanthate 300mg a week
I am only 1 week into cycle, please let me know what you think and what amounts of clomid, nolvadex, and hcg.

 

[scoobysgym]

Hey man. I am running the same cycle right now I always run it one a year mine looks like this though
test cyp 750 ew weeks 1-20
eq 750 ew weeks 1-20
tren 100ed weeks 1-8
winny 100ed weeks 14-20
I use AIFM daily
and NOVLA AND CLOMID PCT.

I have gained over 20ibs every time Ive ran this cycle and keept 15 every time. Hope this helps. - Scooby

 

[sammysobig]

Hey man. I am running the same cycle right now I always run it one a year mine looks like this though
test cyp 750 ew weeks 1-20
eq 750 ew weeks 1-20
tren 100ed weeks 1-8
winny 100ed weeks 14-20
I use AIFM daily
and NOVLA AND CLOMID PCT.

I have gained over 20ibs every time Ive ran this cycle and keept 15 every time. Hope this helps. - Scooby

is there a good benefit to running the tren in the beginning of the cycle rather than the end like i am doing?

 

[sammysobig]

I just got off a cycle of test cyp and tren, had some decca with it.. and got really good results.. your decision to include nolva and clomid is great... I kept most of my gains!! 1st cycle I did i didnt use pct.. lost EVERYTHING!!

how much and when did you use the clomid and nolva?

 

[cydex01]

Your tren is enanthate, so it'd be best to run it 8+ weeks if possible. If it were acetate, you had the right idea on the length of time to run it. As it is, I'd say your tren is a waste in that cycle. Save it for the next and buy more.

For you PCT, in my personal opinion, I wouldn't even bother with the clomid. I would run run starting 1 week after the last shot of cyp/EQ (week 13):
Nolva 20mg each day for 6 weeks
HCG 1000IU's every Mon, Wed, Fri for the first 3 weeks of PCT

This is a generic PCT that generally works for most everyone. I haven't been on the PCT boards in a while, but that is what used to be recommended to most anyone who wasn't sure to run for their PCT when running long esters. If you were to use short esters (not cyp, enanthate, ect; but acetate, propionate, ect) you'd start your PCT 2 days after the last shot.

Some other common PCT's are:
Clomid or Nolva use when your longer esters' half lives are about up @ 150mg ED for a week, 100mg ED for a week, then 50mg ED for a week for clomid or 60mg ED for a week, 40mg ED for a week, then 20mg ED for a week for nolva. Which means, according to your cycle, you'd start a PCT like either of these on week 14.

 

[sammysobig]

Your tren is enanthate, so it'd be best to run it 8+ weeks if possible. If it were acetate, you had the right idea on the length of time to run it. As it is, I'd say your tren is a waste in that cycle. Save it for the next and buy more.

For you PCT, in my personal opinion, I wouldn't even bother with the clomid. I would run run starting 1 week after the last shot of cyp/EQ (week 13):
Nolva 20mg each day for 6 weeks
HCG 1000IU's every Mon, Wed, Fri for the first 3 weeks of PCT

This is a generic PCT that generally works for most everyone. I haven't been on the PCT boards in a while, but that is what used to be recommended to most anyone who wasn't sure to run for their PCT when running long esters. If you were to use short esters (not cyp, enanthate, ect; but acetate, propionate, ect) you'd start your PCT 2 days after the last shot.

Some other common PCT's are:
Clomid or Nolva use when your longer esters' half lives are about up @ 150mg ED for a week, 100mg ED for a week, then 50mg ED for a week for clomid or 60mg ED for a week, 40mg ED for a week, then 20mg ED for a week for nolva. Which means, according to your cycle, you'd start a PCT like either of these on week 14.

I have 4000mg tren enanthate, I'm only at the end of week 1, when do you think I should start it and how much.

 

[cydex01]

Now, run it 400mg for 10 weeks.

 

[MR. BMJ]

I agree with Cydex. STart it now and run it to week 12 with the Eq. I'd probably run the test to week 14 if it were me.

BMJ

 

[AhMadKooL]

tren + Nolva = Bad idea (since Nolva would increase prolactin levels which cause gyno and lactation) use AIFM instead

For a begenner I don't recommend you do tren running the test/EQ is more than enough

 

[cydex01]

tren + Nolva = Bad idea (since Nolva would increase prolactin levels which cause gyno and lactation) use AIFM instead

For a begenner I don't recommend you do tren running the test/EQ is more than enough

Personally I don't subscribe to the idea of nolva causing gyno after running a steroid that raises progesterone levels. I've ran tren on 3 seperate occasions and deca upwards of 1gram a week and I run nolva in EVERY pct I use and I've not once had this issue.

Although, I do agree that he will probably gain very well off the testosterone alone; but if he's already bought the anabolics and has a cycle planned out, you can bet he's going to use them. At least he can use them correctly and post cycle correctly as well.

 

[cydex01]

Also, you may want to check out this post if you haven't already:

https://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=376177

It's basicly what I've already told you in my PCT post, it's what I've followed and learned from when I started 2 years back; but it'll explain things in greater detail.

 

[MR. BMJ]

Jenetic is awesome, I wish he posted here more often.

I disagree with the use of Nolva with either deca or Tren as well. I'd rather use a straight AI instead of nolva to reduce chances or increasing PgR. While Nolva may never aggravate PgR for some, for others,it may be an important factor to consider. I view it much like the many users over the years that say they never needed to use an Anti-E or AI because the never received gyno signs the first 5 years with prior use (bragging or down playing these compounds), then all of the sudden, they receive gyno symptoms and wish they would have used something all along.

I wonder if Jenetic would change his mind now with Nolva + Tren/Nandrolone use together, if he were to read about the possible upregulation of PgR. When he was posting here a year or two ago, it wasn't really a factor involved at the time.

BMJ

 

[AhMadKooL]

Jenetic is awesome, I wish he posted here more often.

I disagree with the use of Nolva with either deca or Tren as well. I'd rather use a straight AI instead of nolva to reduce chances or increasing PgR. While Nolva may never aggravate PgR for some, for others,it may be an important factor to consider. I view it much like the many users over the years that say they never needed to use an Anti-E or AI because the never received gyno signs the first 5 years with prior use (bragging or down playing these compounds), then all of the sudden, they receive gyno symptoms and wish they would have used something all along.

I wonder if Jenetic would change his mind now with Nolva + Tren/Nandrolone use together, if he were to read about the possible upregulation of PgR. When he was posting here a year or two ago, it wasn't really a factor involved at the time.


BMJ

Well said ..........

 

[milo hobgoblin]

is there a good benefit to running the tren in the beginning of the cycle rather than the end like i am doing?

LOL ya your sex life.

Do the tren up front.. with the EQ.. maybe till week 10. taper off with the enan... its probably the easiest on your HPTLA .. small amounts of HCG during the last few weeks of your taper...

BTW after all that Clomid is gonna make you a moody emotional bitch...

Man I hated tren.. the older you are the harder it is on you.. guys in their ealry 20's can get away with getting stupid with tren dosages.. but in your mid to late thirties.. its starts fucking with you more.

That shit almost cost me two relationships.

 

[sammysobig]

Now, run it 400mg for 10 weeks.

Thanks for the information, looking forward to a great first cycle.

 

[solidspine]

400mg e or c per week

For 10 weeks

But not both.