Tren dosages - first time tren user

[auslifter90]

Alright guys;
22
5'7
176lb
11%ish

Currently still on cycle so this is for a few months ahead just buying now because it's a good time as lots of stuff floating around here. Doing 400mg test e/400mg EQ with a stana 60mg end of cycle dryout

I want to run test low, 250mg a week and maybe tren at 400mg? I can def get ace and I might be able to get enth, does the dose change for either? Ie is ace more effective than enth and that dose? Want to keep test low cuz I don't want to run a heap cuz trens strong and I want to lean bulk, drop a little fat and lots of lean muscle gain

If not tren, primo? Doesn't have to be tren but you know my goals now so I'm open to suggestions. And is test lower than tren a problem? I will have prami so I dont expect sexual sides

 

[stopstalking]

Test 500
Tren ace 50mg everyday

You will love this. Everyday has a lot less sides than eod. Add some proviron at 50mg a day and you love the cycle

 

[Deltoid_87]

Ace 50mg ed.. Or enanthate 400mg a week.
Low dose test works well with tren.. 250mg a week is plenty.

Use cabaser and a little aromasin or adex, and hcg.

 

[dylangemelli]

if you are going to run tren then definitely use ace as your first time... that way, if you react badly and have to stop, it will be out of your system much quicker...

if you decide to wait, then primo would be an excellent option... test, anavar and primo would be great... throw in some proviron and its looking really nice

 

[auslifter90]

Yeah thanks for th suggestions guys. What dosage of primo is good? I keep reading 5-600mg so might work out more expensive than tren. Also with primo is low test dose good too?

 

[stevesmi]

you should definately run test with primo to give it a nice kick. with tren you don't need to run anything with it, it does it all on its own.

 

[dylangemelli]

Yeah thanks for th suggestions guys. What dosage of primo is good? I keep reading 5-600mg so might work out more expensive than tren. Also with primo is low test dose good too?

500 primo is good... i would still run test at 500 with it but you could go lower if you want...

 

[zwhit]

75mg eod is a good starting dose. I'd run definitely run some test with the tren on your first run with it. 250mg is a good dose, although I like 500mg better as I don't really bloat much up to 500mg and I gain a little more size.

 

[-SD-]

you should definately run test with primo to give it a nice kick. with tren you don't need to run anything with it, it does it all on its own.

Thats the first Ive heard of this. Usually the rule of thumb is "test base". Are there any sexual sides seeing as its a nandrolone?

 

[stevesmi]

Thats the first Ive heard of this. Usually the rule of thumb is "test base". Are there any sexual sides seeing as its a nandrolone?

you haven't been reading my posts then if thats the first you've heard of this. tren isn't a nandrolone at all. you just have to combat prolactin with caber and you are g2g.

you don't need to run test with tren at all. if someone cannot gain on tren alone then their workouts must be awful.

something like primo or masteron you most certainly should stack it with something anabolic to give it a nice kick to get more bang. but tren? doesn't need anything with it

 

[Cali72]

Thats the first Ive heard of this. Usually the rule of thumb is "test base". Are there any sexual sides seeing as its a nandrolone?

Tren is a nandrolone?
That's a first.

 

[-SD-]

you haven't been reading my posts then if thats the first you've heard of this. tren isn't a nandrolone at all. you just have to combat prolactin with caber and you are g2g.

you don't need to run test with tren at all. if someone cannot gain on tren alone then their workouts must be awful.

something like primo or masteron you most certainly should stack it with something anabolic to give it a nice kick to get more bang. but tren? doesn't need anything with it

Thats good news then since it will be easier to judge tren on its own merits in a stand alone cycle instead of stacked

 

[stevesmi]

Thats good news then since it will be easier to judge tren on its own merits in a stand alone cycle instead of stacked

i'm working with some guys right now through PM's who are running tren only cycles. and they absolutely love it.

here is what they have told me

cheaper
less juice/less injections to deal with
same results
easier to recover from
no estrogen worries during or after cycle
less sides

just make sure you take your caber, hcgenerate, and n2guard and you run your PCT and you will be g2g. and the beauty about it is that you only need 350mg of tren a week to get tremendous results.. vs. running tren + 500mg of test which comes out to 850mg of juice... i rarely run more than 400mg a week of juice on any cycle, i don't use juice to make gains.. i use it to compliment my workouts and diet. some guys run 2 or 3 grams a week of juice and half ass their workouts, hey its their body.

 

[-SD-]

Tren is a nandrolone?
That's a first.

Meant to say its derived from nandrolone

 

[stevesmi]

^^^ it is a derivative of nandrolone but unlike deca you don't gotta worry about estrogen and progesterone.

I think tren is actually far more easier to recover from than what i hear from guys. i've had an easy time recovering from it even easier than test and i believe the reason is all you have to worry about with it is combating your prolactin.. don't have to worry about estrogen at all since it cannot convert .. the guys that complain about it i would bet fail to run caber with it, and i have no doubt that high prolactin levels are gonna result in a lot of penis problems that guys report.

the one thing about tren though that is a negative is the sides. its not for everyone and a lot of guys cannot handle the sides though. n2guard though helps bigtime. without support supps it will get unbearable around week 4 or 5. the pumps and the high bp get really really bad.

 

[ALIN]

Test 500
Tren ace 50mg everyday

You will love this. Everyday has a lot less sides than eod. Add some proviron at 50mg a day and you love the cycle

Alot of the guys I work with have been switching over to daily injections with TREN ACE
and reporting better results,,less sides,,,with even a low dose. My buddies are using
35-40mg ED.

 

[Power36]

What dosing of Caber do you guys use with Tren, is there some generic formulas for dose of caber with certain dose of Tren? Daily dose or EOD of caber etc?

Hmmmm never knew you shouldnt run Test with Tren! I always thought it was like Deca and you could get sexual side effects so to keep Test higher....

Interesting....

 

[moya]

dont tell me you get the same results as running it with test... ima have to call bs on that one... it may not be a huge ammount as if you were running the test standalone, but it has to be doing something.... there is no way you can tell me on the exact same workout and diet that you will do better on 350 tren only then 500-750 test and the 350 tren... it cant be totally useless... maybe not efficient, but most definitely worthwhile as test is dirt cheap...

 

[Typo]

Steve, what is your opinion on tren a ED vs EOD injections?

 

[stevesmi]

dont tell me you get the same results as running it with test... ima have to call bs on that one... it may not be a huge ammount as if you were running the test standalone, but it has to be doing something.... there is no way you can tell me on the exact same workout and diet that you will do better on 350 tren only then 500-750 test and the 350 tren... it cant be totally useless... maybe not efficient, but most definitely worthwhile as test is dirt cheap...

the sides are much higher when you stack them.. i have logs up of my tren only runs so you can be the judge as the results. I set my PR on my tren without test only run stacking tren with var and not test... i would rather guys stack tren with var, winny, or dbol for stronger results than test and save themselves injections. when i finish my current run you can be the judge too.

i think that guys overrate results based on what they are taking vs. the workouts. i have found the stronger my workouts the better results i get. I'm not anti-test.. I ran a test only cycle last late summer i think. and my next cycle I will be dumping tren and going with test + ?? ... i do believe that runing tren alone does the job though and you just don't need to stack it with test for results. but i will let you all try it yourself and be your own judges.

 

[stevesmi]

Steve, what is your opinion on tren a ED vs EOD injections?

i have tried both ways and saw no difference. i have even done ace E3D on occasion when i have missed an injection. i mean once the esters are built up in the system they aren't just gonna dissapear out of the body if you miss a day's injection.

alin above knows his shit and i give him a lot of respect so if you don't mind injecting then go ED based on his recommendation of word of mouth cause he does know a lot of top juicers.. for someone like me who hates injecting then EOD is the way to go

 

[rage22]

you don't need to run test with tren at all. if someone cannot gain on tren alone then their workouts must be awful.

first I heard this as well. What about the need for test to maintain normal body functions? At least at a trt dose?

Maybe I'm just not up with it all but I swear Ive always seen test should be the staple of all cycles. So if you run any other anabolic, you need test as your base.

What's the reasoning behind this method? Aside from less sides ( which I like to hear! Test 200mg/ tren 100-200mg ew was my next cycle setup) does tren really do everything in the body that normal test will do for you?it just seems to mo from a brief look at the idea... Tren = shuts you down hard, quick. It will not convert into estrogen. So your estrogen levels would be nil. That's not good at all! Just for my own information... How does this all work out in your body?

 

[rage22]

Read this thread if your thinking about tren on it's own. http://forums./showthread.php?50815...out-TREN-and-how-to-use-it-effectively-thread!

Specially pg 4..... I'm up for debate but I really don't see how tren alone is a good idea.

 

[zwhit]

Read this thread if your thinking about tren on it's own. http://forums./showthread.php?50815...out-TREN-and-how-to-use-it-effectively-thread!

Specially pg 4..... I'm up for debate but I really don't see how tren alone is a good idea.

Its definitely not a good idea for a first time tren user.

 

[stevesmi]

first I heard this as well. What about the need for test to maintain normal body functions? At least at a trt dose?

Maybe I'm just not up with it all but I swear Ive always seen test should be the staple of all cycles. So if you run any other anabolic, you need test as your base.

What's the reasoning behind this method? Aside from less sides ( which I like to hear! Test 200mg/ tren 100-200mg ew was my next cycle setup) does tren really do everything in the body that normal test will do for you?it just seems to mo from a brief look at the idea... Tren = shuts you down hard, quick. It will not convert into estrogen. So your estrogen levels would be nil. That's not good at all! Just for my own information... How does this all work out in your body?

i fucking love tren only cycles.

your entire arguement is just media propaganda. tren shuts you down just like any other AAS. its the PROLACTIN that causes tren dick. combat the prolactin and you are g2g. your estrogen would not be nil. i put up bloods from my last years tren only cycle, look it up. its right there in black and white for everyone to see.

its funny the only guys who argue against it either don't know what they were doing or never tried it.. every single person who does tren only and does it right PM's me back and says they loved it.

 

[stevesmi]

Its definitely not a good idea for a first time tren user.

i totally disagree. by keeping cycles short and low dosages its way easier to recover.

so not sure how stacking a bunch of things together on a tren run is a good idea. less is better.

tren only cycle is way easier to recover from then stacking tren with test in my experience and the reasons are obvious.

 

[stevesmi]

Read this thread if your thinking about tren on it's own. http://forums./showthread.php?50815...out-TREN-and-how-to-use-it-effectively-thread!

Specially pg 4..... I'm up for debate but I really don't see how tren alone is a good idea.

I'm up for a debate anytime.. how bout the thousands of guys who have run tren + test who have had major problems. i can google thousands of links for you.

point is stacking test with tren doesn't cover up someone who doesn't know what prolactin is or how to PCT.

the difference here is I have run tren + test, tren alone, tren + var, tren + dbol, tren + winny.. i'm very experienced running the stuff every which way. with or without test. both ace and E.. different brands, i've ran as low as 200 a week to as high as 450 a week.. so I can give a first hand analysis backed with blood tests. so take that for what is worth. if you haven't run it without test then you should give it a shot and make your own mind up. just run it the right way no matter what you do. thats the only thing I ask.

I cringe when i read threads from guys who ran tren and had problems, its so easy to run that no one should ever have a problem with it.

you should run certain AAS with test. primo is an example.. masteron is another. cause those definately need an anabolic KICK to them to get truely the best results. but with tren? hell no you don't need to run anything with it... it does it all

 

[rawfitness99]

I've been sticking to trt test dose(250mgs) plus 400-600 tren... But I might try tren/var no test this go around and have a test cycle in my pocket... Worth a try! Starting next week... I'll make the decision by then... Would live for more people to comment on this!

 

[Power36]

So how much caber with Tren, especially if you are using Mast and at what doses Mast needed to avoid prolactin issues with Tren?

Got me wondering about a Tren+Primo blast in winter, and what kind of doses would need caber or would adding Masteron at a certain dose be better than using Caber?

Im on a short Tren trial now, never used it before...EOD 100mg, just for 3-4 weeks as a buddy gave me a free bottle. I was already in middle of a Primo+Mast blast (Im on HRT). Holy balls, unless its the Mast and Primo kicking in at week 5 or so, two weeks of Tren and certain lifts I can tell I feel like Im doubling reps of what I could do previously! This Tren stuff is either no joke or adding it right at the 5 week mark of Primo and Mast makes it feel like its insane strength gain stuff.

I was scared of sides...I dont feel anything negative other than sweating my nuts off, bringing 3 shirts to gym now to keep changing, cant sleep well, dog tired during day but still strong in gym, MMA is harder now hah...and I feel like my appetite is surpressed. But crazy eating less, sleeping less, getting stronger! If I could sleep on this stuff Id get another bottle and run it for 6 weeks haha.