Tren breathing

[ben dovergurl]

Anything you can do to help out with breathing on tren. Feels like Im always a little short of breath.

 

[Ulter]

Not much you can do. You may have to lower your dose if you can't tolerate it.

 

[ben dovergurl]

Not much you can do. You may have to lower your dose if you can't tolerate it.

thanks bro.

 

[rakasha681]

Hey Ulter, would a low dose of EQ help due to the increased RBC? I was thinking about that for my desk cycle, i love the tren, but i hate the lack of endurance.

Not much you can do. You may have to lower your dose if you can't tolerate it.

 

[52_21_30]

I think this is just a side effect of tren. I notice it too at higher doses (100-125 mg/day) but it does NOT effect my cardio endurance. I just sometime feel like i'm breating loudly due to increased effort of inspiration. As far as I know, pretty much all AAS will bump up your hemoglobin and hematocrit. One of the initial medical uses for AAS was in fact the treatment of certain types of anemia. This is also a reason why they're used for AIDS patients. They combat muscle wasting (end-stage) as well as the accompanying anemia many suffer from.

 

[lartinos]

same shit for me, I like to run tren for short times personally because my gains plateau quickly anyway. The gains BTW are 3 times anything else I've ever taken that I get from tren.

 

[52_21_30]

I know more and more guys that are using ONLY test/tren (and sometimes winstrol) when they are on. You can create a bulk or cut just by altering your diet.

Ditto on the plateuing. My strenth gains plateau at week 4 or so, but I stay on 6-8 weeks just because of the hardness, vascularity, and fat loss.

 

[solidspine]

It is just part of fina, I'm on 100mg a day and I feel like I am smoking two packs a day.

 

[Guinness5.0]

I know more and more guys that are using ONLY test/tren (and sometimes winstrol) when they are on. You can create a bulk or cut just by altering your diet.

I don't ever see myself using anything other than test/tren (other than possibly a couple weeks of orals to start or finish). I can't think of anything that could be better.

 

[hanibal]

test/tren is the shit but tren is just too potent, and possibly too harsh, to only do that for the rest of your life. i've done 3 or 4 tren cycles, all w/ test. each cycle was better than the last in terms of body compostion change, strength, cuts, etc. BUT my cardio suffered and i felt like a fat fuck just from walking up stairs. cardio was limited to a moderate walk, forget stairmaster. i'm done w/ tren for this reason mainly, along w/ prostate issues, anger too. it is THE shit though...
- i also was thinking if using eq w/ it would help breathing due to the increased RBC which should give u better breathing w/ tren...

 

[BigBlu]

Anything you can do to help out with breathing on tren. Feels like Im always a little short of breath.

Add some clen on days that your require more from your cardiovascular systems. It's beta agonist properties open up the lungs. Clenbuterol was invented for asthma is legal in the free world.

 

[DJ_UFO]

that happens to me also with other compounds but after a couple of weeks my body gets used to it.Is like an automatic adjustment of the body but it takes some time.

 

[off_safety]

is this with all tren esters? or one in patricular?

 

[Powerbuilder333]

Hey Ulter, would a low dose of EQ help due to the increased RBC? I was thinking about that for my desk cycle, i love the tren, but i hate the lack of endurance.

Great question. My next cycle I'm going to use EQ for the 1st time, and 4 weeks into the cycle I'll add test and tren. Will the EQ endurance boost off set the tren?

 

[rakasha681]

Great question. My next cycle I'm going to use EQ for the 1st time, and 4 weeks into the cycle I'll add test and tren. Will the EQ endurance boost off set the tren?

I'll let you know how much it helps in about 4 months =P
Will be ready for my next in a bout a month, 16wks with test/eq base, and the last 8-10wks will have some tren in there.

 

[thegoodfoods]

would you prefer a cycle with test and 8 weeks of tren, or first 4 weeks of tren, off 4 weeks, then another 4 weeks of tren?

 

[bilter]

Great question. My next cycle I'm going to use EQ for the 1st time, and 4 weeks into the cycle I'll add test and tren. Will the EQ endurance boost off set the tren?

It helps some but I still have shortness of breath while on test/tren/eq. Nothing good is free

 

[52_21_30]

Add some clen on days that your require more from your cardiovascular systems. It's beta agonist properties open up the lungs. Clenbuterol was invented for asthma is legal in the free world.

This isn't really correct. While clen is indeed a beta agonist, numerous studies have shown that it actually decreases your VO2 max, therefore decreasing cardio endurance.

 

[alcatraz1662]

Anything you can do to help out with breathing on tren. Feels like Im always a little short of breath.

it's just the nature of the beast.....i had to cut my run with tren short 4 weeks, because i had troubles competing on the field.....badly.

~Alc

 

[BigBlu]

This isn't really correct. While clen is indeed a beta agonist, numerous studies have shown that it actually decreases your VO2 max, therefore decreasing cardio endurance.

Maybe in rats, yes! It wasn't ME they used in the study. We are all biochemically individual. I use clen for shortness of breath when using trenbolone and its works for me. No 'study' is going to tell me otherwise.

 

[MTS]

wow i never had this problem with tren...i always hated the extreme pumps and night sweats...and the prolactin is always a problem but other than that i love it

 

[Advisor_x]

I take some clenbuterol 30 min before I do a tren shot..............it helps

 

[52_21_30]

Maybe in rats, yes! It wasn't ME they used in the study. We are all biochemically individual. I use clen for shortness of breath when using trenbolone and its works for me. No 'study' is going to tell me otherwise.

LOL ok. I guess you dont care about the cardiac apoptosis that clenbuterol induces either?

 

[BigBlu]

LOL ok. I guess you dont care about the cardiac apoptosis that clenbuterol induces either?

I'm sure you are well read in terms of scientific studies of clenbuterol. There are inherent risks to trenbolone and excessive amounts of water consumption too (unrelated to trenbolone), but we on this board are into risks otherwise we wouldn't be here. The dude is looking for a solution to tren cardiovascular insufficiency. I gave him an answer. Any bronchodilator will do the trick so will the smart drug Nootropil (piracetam), Hydergine and Vinpocetine

Bodybuilding is the art of increasing the ratio of anabolism to catabolism....a simple accountancy thing. In anabolism, cell proliferation and growth would outway the apoptosis (cell death) caused by clenbuterol.

We're looking for pharmaceutical solutions here....

What would you propose?

 

[Cauliflower Ear]

this is the only reason i dont wanna fuck with tren..i cant afford the heavy breathing

 

[52_21_30]

I'm sure you are well read in terms of scientific studies of clenbuterol. There are inherent risks to trenbolone and excessive amounts of water consumption too (unrelated to trenbolone), but we on this board are into risks otherwise we wouldn't be here. The dude is looking for a solution to tren cardiovascular insufficiency. I gave him an answer. Any bronchodilator will do the trick so will the smart drug Nootropil (piracetam), Hydergine and Vinpocetine

Bodybuilding is the art of increasing the ratio of anabolism to catabolism....a simple accountancy thing. In anabolism, cell proliferation and growth would outway the apoptosis (cell death) caused by clenbuterol.

We're looking for pharmaceutical solutions here....

What would you propose?

I would propose that if he is having this much trouble with trenbolone that he cease using it and not use it again. Chasing one side effect with another drug is not a good idea. In this sport, it most often leads to ill effects. Examples, lots of gear leads to lots of strength leads to soreness. Many guys turn to prescription strength pain killers, most of which are habit forming. Another example: too much test + poor diet leads to water retention. Some will chase this with diuretics. Misusing diuretics is perhaps one of the most dangerous things you can do, aside from messing around with DNP.

I'm not saying that clen wouldn't help his situation, I just dont agree with the polypharmacy aspect of it, especially when using a drug with such an unfavorable side effect profile.