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The first thing you should do is lower the test dose to prevent sides. I'm not sure what that product is but I'd get some adex and run it at a low dose 0.25 mg eod and add a little dspark in if necessary or more adex. With tren the higher test doses make everything worse.
Estrogenex is an OTC supp similar to OXO. It is not what you need for cycling real gear. Go with the Arimidex at 12.5mg eod.
I'm pretty sure you mean aromasin as that dose of adex would be way too much.
Lower test to 75 eod and raise tren to 100 eod. This will give you more gains and less sides.
Sherk
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This is the second time I've seen you give this shit horrible advice and I'm pretty sure joeblow corrected you the other day. If you don't know what you're talking about then don't try to speak about it and give advice. That's the worst thing you could do. This is people's health we're dealing with here. Go do some research and stop repeating horrible advice. You're going to fuck someone.
you definitely need caber for with tren... run it .5 mg e3d... if your running arimidex then run it .5 mg eod... i would recommend aromasin at 12.5 mg eod...
libbaye
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I have been doing some research and more and more people are saying that they get better results taking tren daily rather than EOD. Any thoughts on whether this would be worth it or should I stick to my EOD schedule. Do I really need both the Caber and the Aromasin? Is either something I can get online? Thanks in advance for the advice.
dusteefartz
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I dose my tren/prop at 100 mgs EOD. I really dont see a need to dose tren ED...sure will your lvls be slightly more stable...YES..but will you notice the difference ...NO....so stick with EOD unless you feel like being a pin cushion.
As far as the caber and Aromasin..... yes and yes.
you definitely should have caber and aromasin both... they are preventative for different problems that could occur and when your running tren, you can never be too cautious... you need them both bro...
I'm assuming your referring to research chems? Some of them are great and some are garbage. Ag guys is a good one with quality products. They carry aromasin and caber. It is legal to buy for conducting your research on your rats. It just so happens that a lot of us juice heads are also aspiring scientists, so we use lots of research chems regularly. They are usually a lot cheaper then pharmaceutical grade meds.
Cahardcore
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Im currently on testP/Tren A using ED pinning. Running 6.25mg aromasin ED and .5mg Caber E3D.
My personal feeling and from speaking with many users and doing lots of research is this: Tren is a extremely powerful androgen that can yield wonderful results and horrific side effects. If you can keep the levels as stable as possible you may be able to mitigate the sides.
You can "get away" or "be just fine" with dosing your AI or Tren EOD...but if ED can make the sides minimal go for that.
I use a 25g 1' pin the the quads and delts and a 1.5 23g in the booty...PIP is minimal at worst.
I am feeling no ill effects using this protocol of ED dosing. Everyone is different, and you have to know your body prior to jumping on the tren train. I knew exactly how ED prop treats me and what i need to do to control estro. With that in mind, i added the tren and so far so good.
My personal feeling and from speaking with many users and doing lots of research is this: Tren is a extremely powerful androgen that can yield wonderful results and horrific side effects. If you can keep the levels as stable as possible you may be able to mitigate the sides.
You can "get away" or "be just fine" with dosing your AI or Tren EOD...but if ED can make the sides minimal go for that.
I use a 25g 1' pin the the quads and delts and a 1.5 23g in the booty...PIP is minimal at worst.
I am feeling no ill effects using this protocol of ED dosing. Everyone is different, and you have to know your body prior to jumping on the tren train. I knew exactly how ED prop treats me and what i need to do to control estro. With that in mind, i added the tren and so far so good.
libbaye
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So its looking like my tren supply will be depleted just short of the 8 week mark. I have enough prop to keep going for at least 5 weeks past that as well as some winnie I just got my hands on. What would you guys suggest dosage wise once the tren is done? Should I ramp up the prop dosage or stay the same since I will be adding the winnie also? What dosage on the winnie? Do I need to start any PCT following the tren since I will still be running the other stuff for a few weeks longer or can it wait until then? Thanks as always for all the advice.
You can keep the prop dose the same or go up. It's up to you on that. Run the winny at 50-75 mg day.
Well technically you can run the prop forever as long as you brought it down to cruise doses to let your body get back to normal and recover from high doses. But for this current stack I'd run the prop 5 weeks after and the winny 6 after the tren. Then start pct the day after the winny ends.
IamRampage
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lower the test and increase the tren and get ready
libbaye
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Thanks Joe for the input. So I am looking at six weeks remaining from today. I have dropped a fair amount of body fat but I am not down to the 10% goal that I had hoped for this go round. My diet has been very clean but I am stuck around the 15-16% range. Any suggestions for how to really get over that last hump. I look a hell of lot better than I did 6 weeks ago and have done a good job of not gaining to much weight overall but dropped a lot of body fat which is what I wanted. I'm not near as vascular as I was hoping going into the summer. Thanks again.
If your already at a decent calorie deficit and doing cardio then I suggest you play with the ratios. Lower carbs and add in more fats and keep protein high.
Smash fish oil at 20-30grams a day. Eat 3 meals a day high in protein and low in carbs and 2-3 protein shakes, keep carbs to veggies and maybe earlier in the day some rice, yams, or oatmeal but if you need lower BF lower the carbs....increase protein with shakes, and increase EFA intake. A few handfuls of BCAAs prior to training and if you got the cash in between meals. Depending on your training, hit intervals hard, way more bang for the buck than steady state cardio. I do not know why folks are still bent on "cardio", do energy system development, ie intervals, much less time, burns way more calories (EPOC) and wont hurt your speed or strength with the weights. 10 or 15 minutes of intervals or strongman type circuits after your lifts 3-4 days a week will do worlds more for bodyfat loss than cardio.
As for Tren, I am a total newbie but have done two 5-6 week blasts in the past year with 75mg Tren Ace EOD, no caber, and last run was with about 150mg Test Prop and 100mg Mast Prop EOD. No sides really at all. So much so I feel like running it again this summer at a higher dose and with caber (got some on hand now for next run), but after reading how harsh it is I guess I will wait and just run Primo + Tbol + test Prop this summer and finish up with some Var possibly.
As for Tren, I am a total newbie but have done two 5-6 week blasts in the past year with 75mg Tren Ace EOD, no caber, and last run was with about 150mg Test Prop and 100mg Mast Prop EOD. No sides really at all. So much so I feel like running it again this summer at a higher dose and with caber (got some on hand now for next run), but after reading how harsh it is I guess I will wait and just run Primo + Tbol + test Prop this summer and finish up with some Var possibly.
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libbaye
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Currently I have been taking in about 100 grams of a Whey/Casein Blend per day and then about 150 grams of lean protein from my meals. That works out to about 1 gram of protein per pound of body weight for me. Carbs have been around the .5 grams/per pound of body weight. I don't know the exact figures on fats but all I have been eating for the most part is tuna, salmon, chicken and a lot of flank steak usually with a fresh veggie. I throw some egg whites in there some mornings but most of calories are coming from my shakes. I have started trying to follow that 6 weeks to shred workout of Jim Stepponi's to try to keep my heart rate up between sets. It's a major ass kicking and way better than wasting an hour on the elliptical.
Joe I also wanted to see what your thoughts on primobolan are for this go round. Since I was only going to stay on for another 6 weeks total I would imagine that it would be a waste since primobolan has a very long ester. I have never taken it for shorter than 10 weeks in the past. If it would be a waste then I will just save it but if it will get me closer to my goal then why not.
Joe I also wanted to see what your thoughts on primobolan are for this go round. Since I was only going to stay on for another 6 weeks total I would imagine that it would be a waste since primobolan has a very long ester. I have never taken it for shorter than 10 weeks in the past. If it would be a waste then I will just save it but if it will get me closer to my goal then why not.
Once I bumped up my dosages on fish oils/EFAs and added CLA, I have continuously seen a drop in BF% over long haul in addition to many other benefits. You might not get enough fat in your meals, guys eat so strict which is outstanding wish I ate as strict as BBs, but sometimes it might mean not getting in enough essential fats.
Also some research for sports nutrition will suggest 1.5-2g protein per lb lean bodyweight for optimal performance and lean mass. If you can afford it, try bumping up the protein. Again something else I started doing that I noticed a difference...I cant eat 400-500g of protein a day Im not that big of an eater, but I love the whey protein I use and can do 50g shakes 2 times a day plus a 70g shake post workout so that adds a lot of protein to my diet.
Also some research for sports nutrition will suggest 1.5-2g protein per lb lean bodyweight for optimal performance and lean mass. If you can afford it, try bumping up the protein. Again something else I started doing that I noticed a difference...I cant eat 400-500g of protein a day Im not that big of an eater, but I love the whey protein I use and can do 50g shakes 2 times a day plus a 70g shake post workout so that adds a lot of protein to my diet.
Even if you had primo tabs then 6 weeks would be a good addition. But if you had primo e or acetate I wouldn't bother running it 6 weeks. Then only things I run for 6 weeks are orals. I won't run an injectable less then 12 weeks regardless of the ester. I feel the first few weeks its just getting in your system and then real gains don't come on for about a month. Then you have a good 8 weeks of gains at least. I'm a firm believer in small consistent gains over time, instead of rapid short term gains that are often hard to keep.
libbaye
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Joe. Should I be taking the winny EOD the same as the prop? Thanks buddy.
libbaye
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One other thing I forgot to ask. I had to go out of town at the last minute for work and didn't feel comfortable getting on a plane and bringing this in my bag. I had to unfortunately miss my tren doses over the last week. Should I pickup where I left off or just stop it at this point? It really sucks to have to miss but I didn't have much of a choice. If you think I should pickup where I left off then what dosage since now winny is in the mix with the tren and prop?
libbaye
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Well went and re upped my fish oil supply. The lady at the vitamin shoppe looked at me a little funny when I told her I was planning to take 20 grams a day. So that helped you lower you BF? How long did you keep running that dosage?
Im going on 3 years running that dosage
So are many athletes I work with. If you can afford it, smash it. I also hit CLA too but not as high a dose. His website is down, but maybe google in a few days Poliquin and Fish Oil, he has many articles listing the 15+ research backed benefits, plus he has athletes on 20-30grams all the time.
Trust me it cannot hurt, it improved my blood lipids, improves mood, reduces inflammation, improves cognitive function, the list goes on and on...and yes, you smash fish oil and high dose protein over time you will see body composition changes in a very positive direction.
I'd take the winny Ed. Orals have short half lives and you wanna keep blood levels up.
libbaye
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The winny is an injectable. Should I still be taking it everyday? I was thinking 75mg EOD along with 75mg tren and 75mg prop. I took my first shot of the winny two nights ago in my delt and it has swollen up and hard as a rock. The tren and prop have never given me any problems there. I had this happen a few years ago after taking 3ccs in my delt and it eventually went away. This was only 1cc. What do you think that could be from? I am going to take another one tonight and was going to hit my other delt but I don't want to swell that one up as well.
Even winny injectable needs to be taken daily. It also has a short half life. You can try diluting it with some sterile gso. It will help cut down on the pip but its still a painful shot. Next time I suggest you go with an oral.
libbaye
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Would you recommend taking the winny orally even though it is in the injectable form. I could alternate so that I only inject it EOD with my tren and prop but the days in between I could just drink it. What are your thoughts. And what dosage for the 3? I was thinking 75mg each but if I am doing winny ED then I might drop that to the 40 to 50mg range. Thanks
rustilldown
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Just drink it Ed then avoid the nasty winny shots
libbaye
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What dosage ED for the winny? I'm guessing 50mg ED sounds about right.
rustilldown
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50 is about the standard you can adjust up or down depending on how you react and length of cycle but ya start with 50/Ed
libbaye
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Joe what are your thoughts on some of the BD gear I have been seeing on the web? The ones I've seen say that they ship to the US but I am leary about getting my money stolen or getting in trouble. Are there any ones that you know are reliable? Finding a reliable source for Var has been challenging lately.
International is always a huge risk and your much better off going with a domestic source. It's faster, cheaper, and safer.
libbaye
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That's kind of what I thought. Unfortunately my current domestic sources are can't get exactly what I am looking for.
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