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Tren and immunity crash (hpv warts !) - any way to avoid it ?

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Vítor Rage

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I started about 10 days ago a cycle of tren A 75mg/day + Test E 750mg/wk + Eq 750 mg/wk. (Im´m 35yo , in HRT test cyp 150mg/wk)
Unfortunately and for my despair, yesterday i start to find some genital warts (hpv) .
That´s my second cycle with tren and in the first cycle (same dosages , 4 months ago) , same thing happened , and i went to a dermatologist that treats with cryosurgery and aldara cream, but the warts only completely desappear after i stopped the damn trenbolone acetate.
I did all blood tests including CBC, HIV , hepatitis, others STD´s all tested negative. I always have good imunity for colds, flu , and any other diseases.

Too bad that this happens, because my body had responds to tren better than any other cycle before.
Does someome with a good soul can give me some help ? Immunostimulants? Any drug proved to get the immunity stronger? Any way to continue the tren and avoid this terrible side effect?
Thanks in advance
 
when i'm on steroids i always take 2 grams of vitamin C and some probiotics it boosts the immune system.
 
Any virus has a very hard time surviving when the body or bloodstream is in an alkaline state. I'd look into some high quality Greens powders/Alkaline drinks and see how that works for you.

Also what nitro79 said is a good idea too!!
 
Would something similar happen with a winstrol or anavar cycle?! How much does it affect the immunce system?! Cause I'm pretty sure I'm in the same boat as you, clean as a whistle on blood work, but the doctor says they are on the skin... going tonight to have them burned off, but I'm thinking that it could be due to a previous cycle.. any help would be much appreciated...
 
I would drop the tren. Many people suspect that it effects their immune systems in a negative way.
 
sara_xo said:
Would something similar happen with a winstrol or anavar cycle?! How much does it affect the immunce system?! Cause I'm pretty sure I'm in the same boat as you, clean as a whistle on blood work, but the doctor says they are on the skin... going tonight to have them burned off, but I'm thinking that it could be due to a previous cycle.. any help would be much appreciated...
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No, I have never heard or felt anything negative off those except joint pain from winny. Winny and anavar can hurt people susceptible to heart problems, but I don't see how that effects viral issues in your body. Supplementing in the amino acid L-lysine and restricting arginine rich foods and supplements can drastically help with your viral problem though. L-Lysine is available naturally in high doses in Tuna fish and can also be bought in pill form. The pill form can cause stomach issues at a high dose.
 
Also check out liposomal encapsulated vitamin c... You can make this yourself cheap. It triples bioavailability in the body. And there have been some studies that show tumeric is proven to help. Check out BCM-95, same kind of thing the increased curcumin's bioavailability by 900%. Oh yeah Vitamins A and E are beneficial as well.
 
And check this out its a mouth full to say Diindolymethane.....it is a substance found in broccoli kale..ETC
 
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Do your own research, but DIM (diindolymethane) is also a estrogen channeler/blocker? So could this be a two for one as it is also used to treat HPV and RRP? I am sure someone could enlighten us more.
 
I have a fucked up immune system right now. Even though this is an old thread this helped me out a bunch. Going to double my vitamins.
 
goin on 4T said:
I have a fucked up immune system right now. Even though this is an old thread this helped me out a bunch. Going to double my vitamins.
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haha I thought it was a good thread too. Interesting read for sure.
 
Do you have any other tips bro? I know you know your shit.
 
First research HPV natural treatment thoroughly.

Avoid red meat,ham,bacon....think low fat other than omega 3's that are a must.
Instead of steak eat tuna or salmon.
You should be eating clean.
Boost immune system vit A, C, E,
Vit C liposomal you can get 1 pound of ascorbic acid powder for $7 on eBay you will need sonic cleaner and litchiten to encapsulate as vit c is destroyed mostly in the stomach this gets it into the bowel increasing bioavailability 3 to 4 fold it should cost you maybe $45
Look up mixing instruction on you tube it's easy bro. Start with 2 teaspoons a day work your way up as high as your bowel will let you. You could experience some loose bowels at this level back of a hare and use this as your threshold.
Other things that will boost immune system are as follows :
Bcm-95 a super concentrated tumeric
Echinacea
Golden sill
Diindolymethane is actually used to treat HPV and its recurrent oral counterpart RRP
DIM for short metabolizes good estrogen for bad increasing free flow testosterone.
I have never used DIM ........but I think 100 mg is maintenance dose 200 mg is dosage for anti cancer treatment.
Somewhere someone will read this thread and give us some insight on there experience with DIM on cycle.
If gear was out of the equation and you followed this you would be on an anti HPV/cancer regimen.
And absolutely HYDRATE. Sneek in more vit c with lime/lemon in your h2o
AS A SIDE NOTE ACYCLOVIR AND GEAR THAT IS ROUGH ON THE LIVER ARE A NO GO LOVE THY LIVER
I would be curious to know what some vets on here would think about Ostarine/DIM in a research trial.
 
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colloidial silver. whenever i get on a plane or a movie theater where i know there will be a bunch of people around me spreading shit around i take it. or when i feel a cold/flu coming on.. those of you with immune problems i recommend this .. all decent health food stores carry it.
 
Just found a product Activamune that has a lot of this stuff roled into one it came out of Berkeley and profits go back into research. Also research encapsulated glutathione.

I will check out the colloidal silver. They say up to 70% of people will have some form of HPV in their lifetime so keep this going. Post results.
 
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CpenDoc7 said:
Just found a product Activamune that has a lot of this stuff roled into one it came out of Berkeley and profits go back into research. Also research encapsulated glutathione.

I will check out the colloidal silver. They say up to 70% of people will have some form of HPV in their lifetime so keep this going. Post results.
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Only certain strains cause warts though. There's a lot of strains too.

Immunity is a tough thing and not something I've looked into so much. I think no supplements compare to being well rested, low stressed and diet in check to be honest.
 
I agree with the rest and stress as I touched on eating in a previous post however there is strong medical evidence/actual research that shows the benefit of DIM in particular. Doctors use this to treat RRP. Wich is oral HPV studies have found this effective. I however respect your opinion. I won't get into the chemistry of the medical journals but it is out there for anyone to read. Your right an immune system can be tricky but there are steps that can be taken to be proactive. Trenbolone acetate out of the equation, people report good results. Now at least the members of this forum have some ideas to look into. Your worst case scenario is a nice detox with esential vitamins and the equivalent of 5lbs worth of greenery. In a daily supplement.
 
And the other strains you don't see are the nasty ones. Which have also been treated. For the lady's these are the ones that cause cervical cancer.
These strains have been put into remission with these compounds (DIM) as in no clinical findings present in blood or the body. And again for the lady's it is used to treat PMS. Once the warts are there they can removed by an MD
people have stated supplements alone have put them in remission.

Skepticism is prudent research is paramount results are priceless. Is it worth $35..........you decide.
Again profits go back into research for the Activamune. Or you can buy straight DIM For $15

I would pay that for the extra free flowing testosterone alone.
 
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CpenDoc7 said:
I agree with the rest and stress as I touched on eating in a previous post however there is strong medical evidence/actual research that shows the benefit of DIM in particular. Doctors use this to treat RRP. Wich is oral HPV studies have found this effective. I however respect your opinion. I won't get into the chemistry of the medical journals but it is out there for anyone to read. Your right an immune system can be tricky but there are steps that can be taken to be proactive. Trenbolone acetate out of the equation, people report good results. Now at least the members of this forum have some ideas to look into. Your worst case scenario is a nice detox with esential vitamins and the equivalent of 5lbs worth of greenery. In a daily supplement.
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I never doubted you. And thanks for the good information
 
If the immune system issue is elevated histamine , I would go with 2grams of methionine instead of vitamin C. Vitamin C does a mediocre job in clearing histamine from the blood. Methionine does a much better job.

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Since methionine can be oxidized into homo cysteine , one can use trimethylglycine to convert the homo cysteine back into methionine
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stevesmi said:
colloidial silver. whenever i get on a plane or a movie theater where i know there will be a bunch of people around me spreading shit around i take it. or when i feel a cold/flu coming on.. those of you with immune problems i recommend this .. all decent health food stores carry it.
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A friend of mine has a machine that makes ionic silver water. I snag a bottle when I can.
 
gjohnson5 said:
If the immune system issue is elevated histamine , I would go with 2grams of methionine instead of vitamin C. Vitamin C does a mediocre job in clearing histamine from the blood. Methionine does a much better job.

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Since methionine can be oxidized into homo cysteine , one can use trimethylglycine to convert the homo cysteine back into methionine
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Good stuff will check this out also.....
I guess allot of people do c because of cost....$7 per pound
This will give me something to read into today.....appreciate it.
 
Abstract
Persistent oncogenic human papillomavirus (HPV) infection is associated with cervical dysplasia. Cofactors, such as nutrient status, may be required for the progression of HPV infection to neoplasia. HPV DNA methylation patterns in vitro have been shown to be associated with viral transcriptional activity. Folate, vitamin B12, vitamin B6, and methionine may function to prevent cervical cancer through their role in DNA methylation. This study was conducted to examine the relationship of dietary intake of folate, vitamin B12, vitamin B6, and methionine, as well as circulating levels of folate and vitamin B12 to HPV persistence. Oncogenic HPV status was determined at baseline and at approximately 3 and 9 months postbaseline. Multivariate logistic regression analysis was used to determine the adjusted odds ratios for persistent HPV infection associated with each tertile of individual nutrient among 201 women with a persistent or intermittent HPV infection. Circulating vitamin B12 levels were inversely associated with HPV persistence (P for trend, 0.037) after adjusting for age, age at first intercourse, marital status, cigarette smoking status, race, and body mass index. In addition, women with circulating levels in the highest tertile (>493.2 pg/ml) of vitamin B12 were less likely to have a persistent infection (adjusted odds ratio = 0.4; 95% confidence interval = 0.17-0.96). No significant associations were observed between HPV persistence and dietary intake of folate, vitamin B12, vitamin B6, or methionine from food alone or from food and supplements combined or from circulating folate. These data suggest a role for circulating vitamin B12 in early cervical carcinogenesis.


Survey says let's not forget B12
 
Abstract
Conventional chemotherapies have showed their limits, notably for patients with advanced cancer. New therapeutic strategies must be identified, and the metabolic abnormalities of cancer cells offer such opportunities. Many human cancer cell lines and primary tumors have absolute requirements for methionine, an essential amino acid. In contrast, normal cells are relatively resistant to exogenous methionine restriction. The biochemical mechanism for methionine dependency has been studied extensively, but the fundamental mechanism remains unclear. A number of investigators have attempted to exploit the methionine dependence of tumors for therapeutic effects in vivo. To reduce in vivo methionine in plasma and tumours, dietary and pharmacological treatments have been used. Methionine-free diet or methionine-deprived total parenteral nutrition causes regression of a variety of animal tumours. Alternatively, methionine depletion was achieved by the use of methioninase. This enzyme specifically degrades methionine and inhibits tumour growth in preclinical models. Because of potential toxicity and quality of life problems, prolonged methionine restriction with diet or with methioninase is not suitable for clinical use. Methionine restriction may find greater application in association with various chemotherapeutic agents. Several preclinical studies have demonstrated synergy between methionine restriction and various cytotoxic chemotherapy drugs. The experimental results accumulated during the last three decades suggest that methionine restriction can become an additional cancer therapeutic strategy, notably in association with chemotherapy.

Methionine makes me a little nervouse
 
3,3-Diindolylmethane is a dietary indole from cruciferous vegetables that has demonstrated pre-clinical therapeutic efficacy in models of DMBA-induced mammary cancer, transplanted human Breast Cancer , and in models of human papilloma virus (HPV) related disease.

Animal and human use of crystalline diindolylmethane has revealed the need for absorption-enhancing technology to allow adequate gastro-intestinal uptake. BioResponse-DIM, a patented formulation of diindolylmethane categorized and sold as a dietary supplement, utilizes solubility-enhancing micro-encapsulation technology to allow absorption of effective amounts of diindolylmethane.

Human use of this formulation promotes a dose-responsive upward effect on the urinary ratio of 2-OH/16-OH estrone metabolites, demonstrated by ELISA testing of urine before-and-after use. In previous prospective studies, a greater 2-OH/16-OH estrone urinary ratio has been associated with a lowered risk of future breast cancer. We are able to monitor compliance by measurement of urinary diindolylmethane using gas chromatography-mass spectrometry.

Human use of this preparation at higher doses has demonstrated treatment-related resolution of moderate and severe cervical dysplasia in preliminary open-label testing. A still higher dose, about 10 times above that possible from dietary exposure to diindolylmethane from vegetable sources, has resulted in the control of laryngeal papillomas and resolution of cutaneous and plantar warts in preliminary human testing. The clearing of HPV-related lesions is consistent with diindolylmethane's previously described, apoptosis-promoting and chemopreventive activity.
 
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