Treatment for Gynecomastia

[BigGuns29]

I have a serious quick question. I have had gyno since puberty (about 15 years now) I am getting into bodybuilding pretty heavily now and I am getting concerned with the appearance of my chest. I have gyno and It sucks having it on top of a lot of muscle that I have worked so long for. I figured all of this working out and going from 165 lbs to 280 with 15% bf would help some but hasnt. I read somewhere there are tamoxifen treatments a Dr may try. what are the treatments? are they daily pills taken or what, and if so what are the mg of the pills. the reason i am asking is because i have access to clomid, nolvadex, and other anti-estrogens and i can get them without going to a very embarrasing Dr office visit if you know what I mean. Thanks for any info bros!

 

[landser]

Often doctors will cut the gyno out, other than that you could try using nolvadex for maybe 8weeks straight to see if it lessens the gyno.

 

[bbkingpinn]

If you've had it since 15, then it is not androgen dependent. You HAVE TO have it cut out. These days they do it under local anasthetic and you can be done in an hour or two, but it depends on severity. You aren't going to miss work but you have to wear a compression vest for 3+ weeks and cannot train. Long term it is way worth it, and it's not like people will ever know. Tamoxifen will most likely not impact gyno that has persisted since puberty. But it will prevent any increase.

 

[bigp3]

I am going in for my 2nd surgery here soon it is no biggie and not that badly priced

 

[ceo]

tamoxifen may work for you (as it has for others) and it may not. I would always recommend a non-invasive procedure over surgery as a first option.
I have also had personal experience with gynecomastia from puberty. I had 2 surgeries...when it grew back the third time I used tamoxifen and I havent had a problem since.
Try tamoxifen at 20mgs taken three times a day (total 60mgs/day). Run this for up to 8 weeks, then you can drop down to 20mgs taken twice a day (total 40mgs/day) for another 6-8 weeks.
You will most likely see reduction in size (of the lump) within the first 6-8 weeks. If you dont notice any reduction in size then opt for surgery.

 

[TheRide]

If you've had it since 15, then it is not androgen dependent. You HAVE TO have it cut out. These days they do it under local anasthetic and you can be done in an hour or two, but it depends on severity. You aren't going to miss work but you have to wear a compression vest for 3+ weeks and cannot train. Long term it is way worth it, and it's not like people will ever know. Tamoxifen will most likely not impact gyno that has persisted since puberty. But it will prevent any increase.

Depends on how pronouced it is. If it's mild your talking <60 min and minimal time off from the gym... every case is different.

The trick is getting insur. to pay for it.

 

[BigGuns29]

Depends on how pronouced it is. If it's mild your talking <60 min and minimal time off from the gym... every case is different.

The trick is getting insur. to pay for it.

It doesnt hurt badly, I am just starting to look really good muscularly and these tits are taking away from it. I dont mean to sound conceited but i have worked long and hard, but these nipples of mine dont belong on this body. I will tell them they hurt badly and they are interfering with my everyday life. Maybe that will get the insurance to pay for it. What do you think?

 

[dzulboy]

If you've had it since 15, then it is not androgen dependent. You HAVE TO have it cut out. These days they do it under local anasthetic and you can be done in an hour or two, but it depends on severity. You aren't going to miss work but you have to wear a compression vest for 3+ weeks and cannot train. Long term it is way worth it, and it's not like people will ever know. Tamoxifen will most likely not impact gyno that has persisted since puberty. But it will prevent any increase.

good advice

 

[androjunkie]

If you've had it since 15, then it is not androgen dependent. You HAVE TO have it cut out. These days they do it under local anasthetic and you can be done in an hour or two, but it depends on severity. You aren't going to miss work but you have to wear a compression vest for 3+ weeks and cannot train. Long term it is way worth it, and it's not like people will ever know. Tamoxifen will most likely not impact gyno that has persisted since puberty. But it will prevent any increase.

3 weeks with no gym?!?! I can't even fathom that. I too have very slight gyno from teenage years. Although it isn't pronounced I'd still like to get it removed. I have noticed however that .25mg's ED of arimidex has pretty much got it under control. The problem is, that when I discontinue the A-dex the lumps return.

 

[FlexManning]

If you've had it since 15, then it is not androgen dependent. You HAVE TO have it cut out. These days they do it under local anasthetic and you can be done in an hour or two, but it depends on severity. You aren't going to miss work but you have to wear a compression vest for 3+ weeks and cannot train. Long term it is way worth it, and it's not like people will ever know. Tamoxifen will most likely not impact gyno that has persisted since puberty. But it will prevent any increase.

I still have some gyno left over from puberty myself. I think the deal is most guys get a little gyno in puberty, it's just not noticeable in many cases. My guess too is that when you still have it years later, it's no longer androgen dependent and what's left is a combination of mishapen fat, and callous and benign tumor mixed in with what breast tissue a male male might have to begin with along with overly stretched skin and nipple. Part of the lump and distorted look results no doubt from friction acting on what was initially androgen dependent gyno.

Imagine (for the guys wondering why their gyno didn't go away on its own) if a guy with no gyno had unshelled almonds implanted under his nips and left them there for a few years. That kind of explains why gyno often doesn't go away on its own or with anti-estrogens post facto and surgery is usually necessary (after its been there for years), and why there's often a hollowed out spot years later in the middle of what used to be androgen dependent gyno.

I was actually wondering how much surgery runs on this these days. I already failed once at getting it paid for by insurance and put it off for quite awhile.

 

[anabolife]

Some tips in the meantime-
Var can release visceral stores of fat
Yohimburn can also release A2 rich fat and remove subcutaneous water making nipple and surrounding area tighter
Preparation H applied twice a day to nips can keeps them hard
60mgs of Nolva is a good start, it may work to 'starve' the lumps over time

All this to make working out fun again until surgery, which is probably inevitable if you really want to take care of it

 

[ceo]

the question is, why would you want surgery as your FIRST option? You are ignoring sound advice to try a non-invasive procedure first.

 

[BigGuns29]

the question is, why would you want surgery as your FIRST option? You are ignoring sound advice to try a non-invasive procedure first.

Is that towards me bro cause I am not too fond of the needles in my ass every Sunday let alone some Dr. with a knife around my tits. I would definitely like to try drug or chemical treatment first. No way do I want any surgery. I have a small umbilical hernia that I have had for a year now and I havent gotten it fixed yet. Let me repeat, I am not too fond of a guy with a knife around my midsection at all. Just thinking about it makes me want to throw up!

 

[TheRide]

It doesnt hurt badly, I am just starting to look really good muscularly and these tits are taking away from it. I dont mean to sound conceited but i have worked long and hard, but these nipples of mine dont belong on this body. I will tell them they hurt badly and they are interfering with my everyday life. Maybe that will get the insurance to pay for it. What do you think?

That's the route to take IMO. Say that the sensativity is too high, just your shirt rubbing against it is extremly uncofmortable... the doc shouldn't be able to help you w/the insur justtification. I would also got to a surgeon that specializes in breast cancer and/or surgery. Some guys I know have gone to a plastic surgeon and have had trouble getting it paid for. Esp since you've had it for a while (years) it may be documented in your chart/records. That could also help you cause since it seems to be "worsening"

Good luck!

 

[V10 MOJO]

if you truly have gyno the ONLY tx is surgical, period.

 

[ceo]

Is that towards me bro cause I am not too fond of the needles in my ass every Sunday let alone some Dr. with a knife around my tits. I would definitely like to try drug or chemical treatment first. No way do I want any surgery. I have a small umbilical hernia that I have had for a year now and I havent gotten it fixed yet. Let me repeat, I am not too fond of a guy with a knife around my midsection at all. Just thinking about it makes me want to throw up!

Yes, that was towards you. You keep asking all about surgery and ignoring advice about non surgical methods, so I thought you were hell bent on surgery. Surgery is NOT the only option...period. This has been proven.

 

[Mr.X]

I have a serious quick question. I have had gyno since puberty (about 15 years now) I am getting into bodybuilding pretty heavily now and I am getting concerned with the appearance of my chest. I have gyno and It sucks having it on top of a lot of muscle that I have worked so long for. I figured all of this working out and going from 165 lbs to 280 with 15% bf would help some but hasnt. I read somewhere there are tamoxifen treatments a Dr may try. what are the treatments? are they daily pills taken or what, and if so what are the mg of the pills. the reason i am asking is because i have access to clomid, nolvadex, and other anti-estrogens and i can get them without going to a very embarrasing Dr office visit if you know what I mean. Thanks for any info bros!

Simple answer, nolva at 50-100mg/day + 1mg arimidex/ED for 8-12 week along w/ yohimburn ES on the site (w/ cardio/diet). If that doesn't work, you'll have to go w/ the surgery.

X

 

[Dial_tone]

If you've had it since 15, then it is not androgen dependent. You HAVE TO have it cut out. These days they do it under local anasthetic and you can be done in an hour or two, but it depends on severity. You aren't going to miss work but you have to wear a compression vest for 3+ weeks and cannot train. Long term it is way worth it, and it's not like people will ever know. Tamoxifen will most likely not impact gyno that has persisted since puberty. But it will prevent any increase.

cost?

 

[BigGuns29]

Yes, that was towards you. You keep asking all about surgery and ignoring advice about non surgical methods, so I thought you were hell bent on surgery. Surgery is NOT the only option...period. This has been proven.

Hey Bro,I dont want to sound like an ass , but you need to read my first post. I am looking for advice on non-surgical approaches. Please dont criticize me until you do your homework on me, here is my original post to ensure you that I am only looking for non-surgical methods.

" I have a serious quick question. I have had gyno since puberty (about 15 years now) I am getting into bodybuilding pretty heavily now and I am getting concerned with the appearance of my chest. I have gyno and It sucks having it on top of a lot of muscle that I have worked so long for. I figured all of this working out and going from 165 lbs to 280 with 15% bf would help some but hasnt. I read somewhere there are tamoxifen treatments a Dr may try. what are the treatments? are they daily pills taken or what, and if so what are the mg of the pills. the reason i am asking is because i have access to clomid, nolvadex, and other anti-estrogens and i can get them without going to a very embarrasing Dr office visit if you know what I mean. Thanks for any info bros!"

 

[meatneck]

okay nooby question. I've been taking mag-10 and 1-ad extreme for the past 8 weeks, and 5 days of d-bol 20 mg a day. I stopped everything and started my eq last week. 1 thing I noticed in my chest size of lately, that it seems like theres a bunch of fat or water retention over the top of my pectoral muscles and around the nips. Nothing is hard and nips aren't sticking out. Is gyno around the nips only, and is gyno lumps hard? will I be able to feel it?

and I also read in my limited gyno research that most athletes with gyno are usually zinc deficient in this mineral. They (rearchers/docs/etc) say that increasing your zinc will help fight against gyno. but any suggestions to my questions above? I can't find those answers..

 

[ceo]

Hey Bro,I dont want to sound like an ass , but you need to read my first post. I am looking for advice on non-surgical approaches. Please dont criticize me until you do your homework on me, here is my original post to ensure you that I am only looking for non-surgical methods.

" I have a serious quick question. I have had gyno since puberty (about 15 years now) I am getting into bodybuilding pretty heavily now and I am getting concerned with the appearance of my chest. I have gyno and It sucks having it on top of a lot of muscle that I have worked so long for. I figured all of this working out and going from 165 lbs to 280 with 15% bf would help some but hasnt. I read somewhere there are tamoxifen treatments a Dr may try. what are the treatments? are they daily pills taken or what, and if so what are the mg of the pills. the reason i am asking is because i have access to clomid, nolvadex, and other anti-estrogens and i can get them without going to a very embarrasing Dr office visit if you know what I mean. Thanks for any info bros!"

Im not criticizing...Im making observations based on reading your posts (doing my homework). If you'll read through all these posts again, you'll see that it looks as though you tend to ignore advice that would lead you to a non-surgical treatment. Maybe Im wrong. Maybe you read and acknowledged the tamoxifen option, and are just gathering more info on surgery in case you have to go that way.
In any case, have you tried the tamoxifen yet? If not, then try it...it is your best first option. Just take it as I outlined in my first post. Good Luck and if you have any more questions, feel free to pm me.

 

[BigGuns29]

Im not criticizing...Im making observations based on reading your posts (doing my homework). If you'll read through all these posts again, you'll see that it looks as though you tend to ignore advice that would lead you to a non-surgical treatment. Maybe Im wrong. Maybe you read and acknowledged the tamoxifen option, and are just gathering more info on surgery in case you have to go that way.
In any case, have you tried the tamoxifen yet? If not, then try it...it is your best first option. Just take it as I outlined in my first post. Good Luck and if you have any more questions, feel free to pm me.

Good, I thought you were making fun or something. yeah I was reading all of the posts and seeing what I should do. I went to the doc and he took blood to check for prolactin levels. he said if they are up, that possibly means my pituitary gland may have a tumor, making it produce more prolactin which in turn controls your desire for sex. In which I have been suffering from. But there is a med he might put me on, and he did say surgery. he will research it and speak with other docs. I was pretty candid with him in the office, and he understood. he said everything in his office stays in his office. He was pretty cool about it. I told him i had it since adolescence. he said something about a ct scan to check for tumor. Non-cancerous. We will see what he finds out. I am going to hold off on doing this cycle until he lets me know my options.

 

[ceo]

Good, I thought you were making fun or something. yeah I was reading all of the posts and seeing what I should do. I went to the doc and he took blood to check for prolactin levels. he said if they are up, that possibly means my pituitary gland may have a tumor, making it produce more prolactin which in turn controls your desire for sex. In which I have been suffering from. But there is a med he might put me on, and he did say surgery. he will research it and speak with other docs. I was pretty candid with him in the office, and he understood. he said everything in his office stays in his office. He was pretty cool about it. I told him i had it since adolescence. he said something about a ct scan to check for tumor. Non-cancerous. We will see what he finds out. I am going to hold off on doing this cycle until he lets me know my options.

Good Luck bro. Hope you dont have to have surgery...exhaust your other options first.

 

[bbkingpinn]

cost?

Probably $2000. The state of the art procedure is now to make a small incision at the top outer peck 3-4 inches away from the nipple and use a long suction tube that removes fat and glandular tissue.

 

[bigp3]

I am getting my gyno surgery along with ab etching and getting my love handles lipo'd. The total bill for all of this is about 4 g. For just the gyno by itself it is about 2500 with my doc.

 

[landser]

I am getting my gyno surgery along with ab etching and getting my love handles lipo'd. The total bill for all of this is about 4 g. For just the gyno by itself it is about 2500 with my doc.

Isn't BB about doing these things without surgery?

 

[ceo]

Isn't BB about doing these things without surgery?

read his sig...he's just willing to pay for it $.

 

[georgie24]

Isn't BB about doing these things without surgery?

lol, if you have the coin then i condone it

 

[bigp3]

Isn't BB about doing these things without surgery?

It amazes me that bodybuilders get upset when someone uses synthol or gets plastic surgery but yet most of these same guys are willing to take every drug and supplement under the sun to get big. I honestly don't see what the difference is. IMO there is no distinction between taking drugs/ hormones and getting surgery done. They are both unatural things done to improve or enhance your physique.

The main reason I am getting the lipo done is that I don't want to have to sacrifice all of my size like I have had to in the past to get lean. Yes I can lose these spots on my own and I have done it before times, but like I said I have to go to the verge of anorexia to do so.

 

[Nomadic Dreamer]

my threads

 

[megahyperion]

okay nooby question. I've been taking mag-10 and 1-ad extreme for the past 8 weeks, and 5 days of d-bol 20 mg a day. I stopped everything and started my eq last week. 1 thing I noticed in my chest size of lately, that it seems like theres a bunch of fat or water retention over the top of my pectoral muscles and around the nips. Nothing is hard and nips aren't sticking out. Is gyno around the nips only, and is gyno lumps hard? will I be able to feel it?

and I also read in my limited gyno research that most athletes with gyno are usually zinc deficient in this mineral. They (rearchers/docs/etc) say that increasing your zinc will help fight against gyno. but any suggestions to my questions above? I can't find those answers..

I know this is old but since I have a little experience with it I figured Id put it out there for anyone else.
I ran a cycle of Test and Deca then Test, Deca and Dbol and within a year of my last cycle I noticed hard lumps under my nipples and an increase in size. They where about the size of quarters but round in size and sensitive if I squeezed them, I went to the doctor and was told that was Gyno and "it was no big deal", I said HA your not the one with sensitive big nipples.

Anyway I did something similar to what was mentioned here and it did get rid of the hard lumps completely but my nipples will always be bigger, their not huge, actually their about normal for most guys but before they where like the size of dimes cause I always had a bird chest and even though its not huge (I'm 5'11" 165 lbs) my nipples would look a little more normal on someone with bigger pecs.
I do notice now towards the bottom of my pecs its more swollen than it should be and I've been debating on running more Tamox or even just trying to workout my chest more to see if that will help cause Ive only been focusing on my arms and tiny calves this summer.

 

[DocToxin8]

Just read the whole thread and your last post.
I'm suprised people mention reversal of symtpoms after gyno surgery, and that it takes 3 weeks to heal.
I've had a gyno operation (I did it early, before they were of any real size.)
and I was able to go to the gym the next day. It was an old school operation method: cut in the nipple and went in,
which have caused scarring, but its not visible before I point it out, (took some time though)
and even then I feel it doesn't look bad.

After the gyno operation I've had no need to control estrogen for the last 10 years,
(except if I wanna lower the estrogen some 'cause of water retention)
and there's no way I can grow any breast tissue back.

I understand the advice about trying non-invasive methods first,
but I also think it should be removed as early as possible.