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Big Brother Val
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That's exactly what I'm thinking, Mikey.
How can some people grow like mothers off of Deca, while others gain nothing but big, floppy boobies?
I prefer EQ over test. Who knows, I may even prefer Deca over test, I'll know in around 10 weeks... but to me, this whole thing is just opinion vs. opinion, yet is made out to be fact vs. fact.
Data suggests also that you are more likely to be struck by lightning, than die in an airplane crash. Well... tell that to the passengers while the plane is headed towards the ground like a fucking dart, and I'm sure they'll tell you to stuff your "FACTS".
I think the fact of the matter is that some people really grow off test, some people really grow off deca, and others really grow off both.
Is there a class I'm forgetting?
Then there's all the people who may not have done either, but want to side with the popular vote, or the guy with the most posts next to his name, so they'll look smarter.
I care more about people's experiences than I do what some lab reports to me. So this post has been very informative. The only way to solve this argument for myself, is to try it out and see.
If Deca does work better for me than test... well... I guess I'll be one of the few who stands by it. If not... I'm still not gonna say it isn't worth shit... because obviously it works for some, or it wouldn't have been around for so long.
How can some people grow like mothers off of Deca, while others gain nothing but big, floppy boobies?
I prefer EQ over test. Who knows, I may even prefer Deca over test, I'll know in around 10 weeks... but to me, this whole thing is just opinion vs. opinion, yet is made out to be fact vs. fact.
Data suggests also that you are more likely to be struck by lightning, than die in an airplane crash. Well... tell that to the passengers while the plane is headed towards the ground like a fucking dart, and I'm sure they'll tell you to stuff your "FACTS".
I think the fact of the matter is that some people really grow off test, some people really grow off deca, and others really grow off both.
Is there a class I'm forgetting?
Then there's all the people who may not have done either, but want to side with the popular vote, or the guy with the most posts next to his name, so they'll look smarter.
I care more about people's experiences than I do what some lab reports to me. So this post has been very informative. The only way to solve this argument for myself, is to try it out and see.
If Deca does work better for me than test... well... I guess I'll be one of the few who stands by it. If not... I'm still not gonna say it isn't worth shit... because obviously it works for some, or it wouldn't have been around for so long.
MikeyLikesJuice
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bigbrother I love the way it takes joint pains away for me. I did a cycle without deca before, and my joints where killing me. I could have gained more mass and I couldn't because my joints where in so much pain. I ended up depressed on the cycle and didn't feel like lifting as much. I also like eq, does great for me, I'm not sure if you have tried primo, yet, but you may like that also. It does what eq does for me, keeps me tight, holds little water, and cuts me up, good luck with the deca/
macrophage69alpha
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1. Test is Test
2. Test is more anabolic than Deca
3. Test suppreses HPTA less than DECA
4. Test is more available and less faked than DECA
5. Test is cheaper
6. Arimidex and proscar- virtually eliminate the side effects of test
7. Test does not adversely affect libido- unless wanting sex all the time is adverse
A. Deca causes gyno
B. Deca suppresses Libido
C. Deca has progestenic side effects that are difficult to deal with.
D. Mifeprestone is NOT widely available, it is virtually untested as an anti-progestin with the exception for inducing abortion.
E. If you are ever tested DECA will show up over a year after cessation of use.
In closing, Deca does Increase IM Fat which will make you look bigger- think of it as natural synthol. Point of note those that use Deca and Anadrol- may be larger and yet weigh less and this is often the case.
2. Test is more anabolic than Deca
3. Test suppreses HPTA less than DECA
4. Test is more available and less faked than DECA
5. Test is cheaper
6. Arimidex and proscar- virtually eliminate the side effects of test
7. Test does not adversely affect libido- unless wanting sex all the time is adverse
A. Deca causes gyno
B. Deca suppresses Libido
C. Deca has progestenic side effects that are difficult to deal with.
D. Mifeprestone is NOT widely available, it is virtually untested as an anti-progestin with the exception for inducing abortion.
E. If you are ever tested DECA will show up over a year after cessation of use.
In closing, Deca does Increase IM Fat which will make you look bigger- think of it as natural synthol. Point of note those that use Deca and Anadrol- may be larger and yet weigh less and this is often the case.
AMEN!!!Macro layeth the smack down,lol....
Sorry I missed this one, then again we did it on A.F. Next time email me 2thick. Now on to the list of fools and foolish comments , and the comments are foolish for the simple reason that the people that will be mentioned here HAVE NEVER DONE A DECA ONLY CYCLE.
Ranger- First of all your an old fuck, older than me and you know it , I am 31 , do you even remember 31 sheep humper? Second- what can Decaman do- I did it already - whooped your ass on A.F. on this topic. Third- EQ IS FOR PUSSIES! And finally- YOUR BANNED FROM USING THE IM FAT STATEMENT- THAT'S MACROS AND YOUR NOT AFRICAN AMERICAN ARE YOU? HEH HEH
ULTER- God man, you have to sneak over here now to make that same statement for which you have no basis or personal experience -TEST IS MOST DEFINITELY NOT A BETTER QUALITY MASS BUILDER THAN DECA- NICE TRY- WHERES YOUR PROOF - From all those deca cycles you've done? Test is safer than deca- more garbage, that one actually always makes me laugh in my chair here. What is UNSAFE about deca? PUHLEEEASE BRO.
Slopain- how many have your friends have gone bald from deca- please bro, no comparison here. No need for proscar on deca , your hair is staying where it is.
Hmmmm - first use test, now you need an antiestrogen because your a bloated piece of shit, next you need proscar because your hair is falling out, and the final indignity- accutane . SO let's recap, use test AND your a bald, bloated AND acne ridden- BUT HEY you grew AND you can keep about half of it post cycle GREAT DRUG!
I could find some more I am sure, really it is pointless and I don't want to get into this discussion this late. Again i pose the question:
I HAVE DONE BOTH DECA ONLY CYCLES AND TEST CYCLES- HAVE YOU? DECA BLOWS TEST AWAY FOR QUALITY KEEPABLE GAINS AND THATS FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE- RANGER - ULTER-OTHERS- CARE TO POST FROM EXPERIENCE.
Ranger- First of all your an old fuck, older than me and you know it , I am 31 , do you even remember 31 sheep humper? Second- what can Decaman do- I did it already - whooped your ass on A.F. on this topic. Third- EQ IS FOR PUSSIES! And finally- YOUR BANNED FROM USING THE IM FAT STATEMENT- THAT'S MACROS AND YOUR NOT AFRICAN AMERICAN ARE YOU? HEH HEH
ULTER- God man, you have to sneak over here now to make that same statement for which you have no basis or personal experience -TEST IS MOST DEFINITELY NOT A BETTER QUALITY MASS BUILDER THAN DECA- NICE TRY- WHERES YOUR PROOF - From all those deca cycles you've done? Test is safer than deca- more garbage, that one actually always makes me laugh in my chair here. What is UNSAFE about deca? PUHLEEEASE BRO.
Slopain- how many have your friends have gone bald from deca- please bro, no comparison here. No need for proscar on deca , your hair is staying where it is.
Hmmmm - first use test, now you need an antiestrogen because your a bloated piece of shit, next you need proscar because your hair is falling out, and the final indignity- accutane . SO let's recap, use test AND your a bald, bloated AND acne ridden- BUT HEY you grew AND you can keep about half of it post cycle GREAT DRUG!
I could find some more I am sure, really it is pointless and I don't want to get into this discussion this late. Again i pose the question:
I HAVE DONE BOTH DECA ONLY CYCLES AND TEST CYCLES- HAVE YOU? DECA BLOWS TEST AWAY FOR QUALITY KEEPABLE GAINS AND THATS FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE- RANGER - ULTER-OTHERS- CARE TO POST FROM EXPERIENCE.
MikeyLikesJuice
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Organon yellows gotta love them, I love that pic man, good post also.
macrophage69alpha
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For those who respond well to Deca- it is a good drug.
I would venture to guess that 50% or more of people respond well to DECA- though as you age, and among certain populations, there seems to be an increased sensitivity to progestins.
SInce what most people are looking for is aesthetics- increases in IM Fat are good (you will LOOK bigger)- though there seems to be a puffiness that some aquire with DECA (that extends for some post cycle)- perhaps due to a thickening of the skin- I will be looking into this further.
However, on the whole Deca does not produce better MUSCLE gains than test. In addition, for those that do not respond well to deca and its lovely progestenic nature- it can be a nightmare- especially with respect to libido and HPTA recovery. What percentage of the population the comprise is uncertain, but if you are one of them- all the cries of DECA is anabolic, no side effects, etc.. will not ring to well in your ears and may set off the itching in your newly expanded nipples.
peace
I would venture to guess that 50% or more of people respond well to DECA- though as you age, and among certain populations, there seems to be an increased sensitivity to progestins.
SInce what most people are looking for is aesthetics- increases in IM Fat are good (you will LOOK bigger)- though there seems to be a puffiness that some aquire with DECA (that extends for some post cycle)- perhaps due to a thickening of the skin- I will be looking into this further.
However, on the whole Deca does not produce better MUSCLE gains than test. In addition, for those that do not respond well to deca and its lovely progestenic nature- it can be a nightmare- especially with respect to libido and HPTA recovery. What percentage of the population the comprise is uncertain, but if you are one of them- all the cries of DECA is anabolic, no side effects, etc.. will not ring to well in your ears and may set off the itching in your newly expanded nipples.
peace
The Ranger
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Lured ya over here did I Decawoman....heh heh heh...and since I've gotten bigger(thanks to test) I have moved on to cows ya wadgobbler...
My personal experiences with Deca can be described as a roller coaster of a nightmare...at a dose of 100mg's a week...I'm totally fucked...
HOWEVER....When using EQ, the sky is the limit...I personally think Deca is far to over rated, and given a chance, EQ will out due it everytime...HANDS DOWN!!!
For some, Deca is a " Wonder " drug, for others(like me and Huck) I avoid it like the plague...
We are however forgetting the single most important factor in this debate....
GENETICS...!!!!!
Your not going to get them from Deca, but you sure as Hell will enhance them better with TEST...
AND THAT'S A FACT......JACK!!!
Ranger
And go back to your board, you going to have a hard time defending yourself with my new poem....heh heh heh....Fucker!!!!
My personal experiences with Deca can be described as a roller coaster of a nightmare...at a dose of 100mg's a week...I'm totally fucked...
HOWEVER....When using EQ, the sky is the limit...I personally think Deca is far to over rated, and given a chance, EQ will out due it everytime...HANDS DOWN!!!
For some, Deca is a " Wonder " drug, for others(like me and Huck) I avoid it like the plague...
We are however forgetting the single most important factor in this debate....
GENETICS...!!!!!
Your not going to get them from Deca, but you sure as Hell will enhance them better with TEST...
AND THAT'S A FACT......JACK!!!
Ranger
And go back to your board, you going to have a hard time defending yourself with my new poem....heh heh heh....Fucker!!!!
CONTRACTION
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All I have to say from experience is: Deca only, 8 weeks, +18lbs, kept 15lbs. Nuff said.
But...can't hate on test tough!
But...can't hate on test tough!
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Yes,Decaman came over.......hehe
MACRO, you just shot your own argument down.....HAHAHA!!!
AFRICAN-AMERICANS primarily affected by IM fat sorage?
Thats it???? Thats not exactly proof.
Pretty thin if you ask me.
Lets examine the problem AGAIN:
Test+Arimidex= Great Combo
Deca+RU-486= BETTER COMBO!!!!
Why?
RU-486 reduces cortisol by a small factor which DECREASES
PROTEIN DEGRADATION.
Arimidex DOESN'T DO THAT!!!!
Got you there.....
And, I never said Synthetic test was different than natural test.
If you check, I said it was exactly the same.
Godspeed
MACRO, you just shot your own argument down.....HAHAHA!!!
AFRICAN-AMERICANS primarily affected by IM fat sorage?
Thats it???? Thats not exactly proof.
Pretty thin if you ask me.
Lets examine the problem AGAIN:
Test+Arimidex= Great Combo
Deca+RU-486= BETTER COMBO!!!!
Why?
RU-486 reduces cortisol by a small factor which DECREASES
PROTEIN DEGRADATION.
Arimidex DOESN'T DO THAT!!!!
Got you there.....
And, I never said Synthetic test was different than natural test.
If you check, I said it was exactly the same.
Godspeed
Big Brother Val said:
I would suggest 450mg of Deca per week but make sure to taper the last two weeks to 350mg and 300mg respectively.
And for the gyno, it you do feel it coming on, then use Nolva or proviron or arimidex do combat it, but it is rare and only told as a scary story by ignorant people.
FreakMonster
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From personal experiences every time I have used test all it does is make me bloated as fuck and break out like a motherfucker. Deca puts on nice quality gains 15+ lbs and if you get a hold of some really good Deca you'll get nice and hard.
Those of you that can't grow off Deca are just getting some bunk shit!!
Normas and Pakistani Deca's are the best!!!
Those of you that can't grow off Deca are just getting some bunk shit!!
Normas and Pakistani Deca's are the best!!!
macrophage69alpha
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FONZ,
I did not shoot down my own argument, I merely stated that those of African Descent are MORE likely to benefit from the Progestenic action on Intra-muscular Fat.
Now, If you REALLY want to get into the Mifeprestone argument with ME-
I will be happy to oblige....be assured I will not be gentle.
2thick- you are not calling me ignorant..... are you?
I did not shoot down my own argument, I merely stated that those of African Descent are MORE likely to benefit from the Progestenic action on Intra-muscular Fat.
Now, If you REALLY want to get into the Mifeprestone argument with ME-
I will be happy to oblige....be assured I will not be gentle.
2thick- you are not calling me ignorant..... are you?
macrophage69alpha
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2Thick said:
I am pretty sure this was how
macrophage69alpha said:
I am pretty sure this was how
Don't forget about that one study I found that said Nolva will work, at least partially, against progestins.
But that is besides the point. I do not subscribe to the theory that claims Deca is a progestin.
macrophage69alpha
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It is not a theory, Nor-testosterone and its derivatives are progestenic- they bind to the PR.
btw- Nolvadex will help by blocking the ER and reducing total stimualtion of the fibrous tissue. However, if high # of PR or Especially sensitive to deca (receptor isoform that binds well to deca) then nolvadex will only delay the inevitable and will not be able to reverse, to the same extent as an anti-progestin, the stimulation of the tissue.
btw- Nolvadex will help by blocking the ER and reducing total stimualtion of the fibrous tissue. However, if high # of PR or Especially sensitive to deca (receptor isoform that binds well to deca) then nolvadex will only delay the inevitable and will not be able to reverse, to the same extent as an anti-progestin, the stimulation of the tissue.
The Ranger
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Deca does aromatize into estrogen by small amounts, so the Armidex, and or Nolva will help...However, with reguards to Gyno induced by activation of the progest. recepters...sorry, you're fuked...BUT, then again studies, and I say studies have shown Armidex will reduce existing gyno to the point of nullity...
Now on to RU-486....shuts down cortisol by a small degree...How bout almost completely stops production....and for those who think this is great as an anti-catabolic....think again...
Ask a few who have done Winny only cycles about joint pain and muscle tears....
Nice try guys...keep digging....
Your turn Mac....I think I hear the dogs at their heels now....
Ranger
Game on.....!!!!
Now on to RU-486....shuts down cortisol by a small degree...How bout almost completely stops production....and for those who think this is great as an anti-catabolic....think again...
Ask a few who have done Winny only cycles about joint pain and muscle tears....
Nice try guys...keep digging....
Your turn Mac....I think I hear the dogs at their heels now....
Ranger
Game on.....!!!!
The Ranger said:
Here we go again.....
First of, RU-486 DOES NOT, I REPEAT DOES NOT BLOCK
CORTISOL COMPLETELY!!!!!!!!
How many times do I have to say this???????
1mg/Kg/E3D will block progesterone like Novaldex
blocks estrogen and will only reduce cortisone
levels by 10-15%.
THIS REDUCTION IS NOT NOTICEABLE DUE TO DECA'S
JOINT-CUSHIONING ACTIVITY!!!!
This reduction actualy yields better gains because
it reduces protein degradation(As i have previously stated before)
if you wanted to reduce cortisone TO ALMOST NIL
you'd need 600mg/day of RU-486. Thats about
9 times the dosage I recommend.
Godspeed
The Ranger
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With reguards to your reply Fonz, does that mean 50mg's of winny ed does a better job??
If so, there is no need for RU-486, and hence the VERY high price, not to mention the availability...
Ranger
If so, there is no need for RU-486, and hence the VERY high price, not to mention the availability...
Ranger
and for Test
solidspine
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2thick, can you help me score some test enanthate? 
MikeyLikesJuice
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i'll take both!!!
I sure love the sound of a good old fashioned bitch slappin! How about you Ranger he he- now there are three of us here. ARE YOU GOING TO START THAT CRAP AGAIN WITH THAT FILTHY HORSE STEROID. Eq out does deca- in what area- flu symptoms and forcing you to wear a feedbag all day because you can't stop eating! Great for something that is supposed to be a cutting drug used while dieting- it makes you eat more. All it is basically is an appetite stimulant- hell I can eat a pill for that and save some scar tissue. No size- no appreciable weight gain from eq, I'll give the vascularity issue to you- deca is close there too though. Eq - POOR MAN'S DECA. Apparently you switched to horses not cows!
Ok fine game on- what other garbage is being peddled here- deca gives you titties- DID I SEE THAT HERE- BWHAHAHAHAHA- I will bet my last penny there are 1000 pair of test titties for every one pair of deca titties ( am i really talking like this- oh yeah never mind)
I.M. fat- i will never discredit anything marco says- too much respect for the bro, I will say it is not so in my case
because from the outside- DAMN I LOOK GOOD heh heh.
Deca dick- reality is this- all or most of you guys use deca at one time or another mixed with various things- including stimulants- a major culprit when it comes to shrinkage in that area, disinterest in sex, etc- but of course it's always the deca because that is what you have been taught. Now granted - we know there are facts pertaining to deca and libido and hpta. For some yes it is harsh in those areas- fine your sensitive , dont have the deca gland whatever, it is not the norm- like i said you all use the hated deca from time to time. Let's talk real life here. How many of you FUCK like madmen on deca- i have plenty of times, and have heard of an increase in libido from many bros. Take that horse humper. I like to leave the real scientific stuff to fonz, I like the way he bitch slaps especially.
Let's get a show of hands here. How many of you test freaks are going to sit here and say they gained 18 pounds on a cyp cycle and kept 15 -NONE OF YOU.
DECA IS BY FAR A SUPERIOR MUSCLE BULIDER - WITHOUT THE BLOAT - ACNE - AND PILE OF HAIR ON YOUR PILLOW NEXT TO YOU WHEN YOU WAKE UP.
So to all of you who have listened to the assinine rumors and decided its quite alright to do 1000mg of test alone AND never considered 600mg of deca alone, your truly missing out on some real quality gains. It will take you two test cycles to keep what you get from one deca cycle. One more thing before I go, you dont ever need test EVER. Worried about deca dick- get some proviron- makes your dick harder than any test ever will. There - I just made testosterone obsolete.
SSSSSSSSSSLLLLLLLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPPP
BIATCH! HEH HEH
Hey bro below- good point - so why is it no one whines about how tren shuts your ass down- AND IT DOES BIGTIME- even worse than deca.
Ok fine game on- what other garbage is being peddled here- deca gives you titties- DID I SEE THAT HERE- BWHAHAHAHAHA- I will bet my last penny there are 1000 pair of test titties for every one pair of deca titties ( am i really talking like this- oh yeah never mind)
I.M. fat- i will never discredit anything marco says- too much respect for the bro, I will say it is not so in my case
because from the outside- DAMN I LOOK GOOD heh heh.
Deca dick- reality is this- all or most of you guys use deca at one time or another mixed with various things- including stimulants- a major culprit when it comes to shrinkage in that area, disinterest in sex, etc- but of course it's always the deca because that is what you have been taught. Now granted - we know there are facts pertaining to deca and libido and hpta. For some yes it is harsh in those areas- fine your sensitive , dont have the deca gland whatever, it is not the norm- like i said you all use the hated deca from time to time. Let's talk real life here. How many of you FUCK like madmen on deca- i have plenty of times, and have heard of an increase in libido from many bros. Take that horse humper. I like to leave the real scientific stuff to fonz, I like the way he bitch slaps especially.
Let's get a show of hands here. How many of you test freaks are going to sit here and say they gained 18 pounds on a cyp cycle and kept 15 -NONE OF YOU.
DECA IS BY FAR A SUPERIOR MUSCLE BULIDER - WITHOUT THE BLOAT - ACNE - AND PILE OF HAIR ON YOUR PILLOW NEXT TO YOU WHEN YOU WAKE UP.
So to all of you who have listened to the assinine rumors and decided its quite alright to do 1000mg of test alone AND never considered 600mg of deca alone, your truly missing out on some real quality gains. It will take you two test cycles to keep what you get from one deca cycle. One more thing before I go, you dont ever need test EVER. Worried about deca dick- get some proviron- makes your dick harder than any test ever will. There - I just made testosterone obsolete.
SSSSSSSSSSLLLLLLLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPPP
BIATCH! HEH HEH
Hey bro below- good point - so why is it no one whines about how tren shuts your ass down- AND IT DOES BIGTIME- even worse than deca.
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death on the field
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i wil not argue either way as i think both r very good, but for athletes test is best due to the length of time it stays in ur body and u wont pass a test if u take deca, test in ur system tops 3 monhts , deca 15 months. so once again test is best for athletes at least hehehe
MikeyLikesJuice
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i don't get deca dick, also I bust way better nutz with deca . I'm really worried, is there soimething a matter with me that I don't get it from deca? Seriously
. I'm really worried, is there soimething a matter with me that I don't get it from deca? SeriouslyMikeyLikesJuice
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lol cock thats what Im saying I love them both
macrophage69alpha
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COCKDEZL,
I have seen you argue over far finer points.
2Thick, FONZ, DECAMAN-
You are fans of DECA- thats good, but it is foolish to fail to recognize that it can be very detrimental to some(what percentage..well...?)
Ranger,
Speaks from experience, and just wants to warn people of the VERY real and VERY detrimental sides of Nandrolones. Plus Ranger, rightly, argues that Test is superior drug for most with more controllable and predictable side effects.
I have seen you argue over far finer points.
2Thick, FONZ, DECAMAN-
You are fans of DECA- thats good, but it is foolish to fail to recognize that it can be very detrimental to some(what percentage..well...?)
Ranger,
Speaks from experience, and just wants to warn people of the VERY real and VERY detrimental sides of Nandrolones. Plus Ranger, rightly, argues that Test is superior drug for most with more controllable and predictable side effects.
2Thick said:
That's a cute little story my progestin-coveting comrade,unfortunately it is absolutely inane.Try telling it to the nandrolone-induced,marble-like growths in my nipples...And yes,I even used nolvadex by the truckload,it was helpless against the deca,so sorry,that little "folktale"won't fly...Funny,never had that problem with good ol'test,the nolvadex worked just fine...
MikeyLikesJuice
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what huck nolv took my gyno starting away and I was using deca, test, and winny, and deca was a higher mg then any of them.
MikeyLikesJuice
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met stop it from getting worsde and it went away after the cycle
B
Big Johnson
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Decaman said:
Fuckin' eh it does. I'm never doing fina again. I experienced damn good gains on 75mg/ED but crashed like a mother when I came off. And, I was running it with 300mg prop/week just to keep my dick hard. Combine that with the kitchen production and all that hassle...forget it. I'll do winny instead. I have never EVER experienced dick sides comming off of test after four cycles. Only fina AND decca fucked with Mr. Happy; fina during cycle and decca near the end.
Test is best. Use it with an anti aromatase for cutting or by itself for bulking.
BTW, running 750mg test/week for 8 weeks now with proviron and no sides, except maybe lack of sleep, which was MUCH worse when I did fina.
conan69
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Mind if i toss my hat in the ring....
i will make this very simple, i am not going to argue which is better, why it is better or even why they work in different ways yada yada yada
what i will say is this
Bodybuilding/weightlifting is just as much an Art as it is a Science we as users of AS must find which stacks or substances work well for US as INDIVIDUALS
For me...Deca is worthless
For 2thick...Deca is the cats ass
it is all a matter of individual preferance andreactions to said substances
oh and one more thing
Test is Best
i will make this very simple, i am not going to argue which is better, why it is better or even why they work in different ways yada yada yada
what i will say is this
Bodybuilding/weightlifting is just as much an Art as it is a Science we as users of AS must find which stacks or substances work well for US as INDIVIDUALS
For me...Deca is worthless
For 2thick...Deca is the cats ass
it is all a matter of individual preferance andreactions to said substances
oh and one more thing
Test is Best
macrophage69alpha
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Primo--interesting
but then again
lets see how it stands up against
Anavar
these anabolic compounds- with NO Progestenic cross reactance are quite palatable.
However,
back to test v primo
10cc ara test 22$
2500mg test
500mg a week 10 weeks
110$
add liquidex
take 1mg a day- you will have 10mg left over
avg 280$-
390
add proscar
60$ for cycle
total 450$
1cc primo 10$
100mg
600mg a week 10 weeks
600$
but then again
lets see how it stands up against
Anavar
these anabolic compounds- with NO Progestenic cross reactance are quite palatable.
However,
back to test v primo
10cc ara test 22$
2500mg test
500mg a week 10 weeks
110$
add liquidex
take 1mg a day- you will have 10mg left over
avg 280$-
390
add proscar
60$ for cycle
total 450$
1cc primo 10$
100mg
600mg a week 10 weeks
600$
macrophage69alpha
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Gold- expensive but soft
Wait till you try it in ample amounts,then you will know what he means...Amazing stuff...
macrophage69alpha
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Try it and see.
Anavar is one oral that I will put up against the injectables- especially because of its long bi-phasic half life.
That was one thing I wanted to mention that primobolan, from a receptor standpoint, MAY resemble DHT. I have no evidence of this, but Will Brink seems utterly convinced that Primo can be very hard on the hair of some. Just thought I would throw that out.
Anavar is one oral that I will put up against the injectables- especially because of its long bi-phasic half life.
That was one thing I wanted to mention that primobolan, from a receptor standpoint, MAY resemble DHT. I have no evidence of this, but Will Brink seems utterly convinced that Primo can be very hard on the hair of some. Just thought I would throw that out.
The Iron Game
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The Ranger said:
LMAO, Ranger you are way funny man.
The Ranger
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Decaman, you are totally wrong as usual....as if it's no big surprise...
EQ a dirty animal steroid....Hmmmmmmmm....I guess all Deca is human grade...eh!!! Can you say Brovel??? And before you spew forth shit from that wadgobbling hole under your nose....Not everyone can afford Organon Yellow Tops....Jesus, you never cease to amaze me...
EQ is only a stimulant to increase food consumption??? True, it has this potential, and yes, you can take many types of supplements to help with this....as I see it, it's a plus...I can add and E/C/A to curb the eating habits, and still put on quality, lean muscle mass, with virtually no sides, and little or no water retention....In other words, EQ works well in a bulk cycle due to the added appetite, or cutting cycle due to the increase in vascularity, and lean-ness...
DECA does not have this potential at all....
And for the sake of your bullshit rambling, which I fully expected, EQ and Dbol are identical, and was made to be that way...the only difference is the added ester Undecilenate(sp?) and the fact that Dbol is a 17AA which can lie in the body undetected after aromatization, where as EQ only aromatizes into a very simple estrogen....
Again, I WILL stress...add Deca to a stack/cycle and you have increased the costs, and now have 2 very real sides to combat...
Add EQ to a cycle, one side, less costs....
There is no debate....Test is best, Deca is sucking hind tit on this one cumsmuggler....
heh heh heh heh...
Ranger
EQ a dirty animal steroid....Hmmmmmmmm....I guess all Deca is human grade...eh!!! Can you say Brovel??? And before you spew forth shit from that wadgobbling hole under your nose....Not everyone can afford Organon Yellow Tops....Jesus, you never cease to amaze me...
EQ is only a stimulant to increase food consumption??? True, it has this potential, and yes, you can take many types of supplements to help with this....as I see it, it's a plus...I can add and E/C/A to curb the eating habits, and still put on quality, lean muscle mass, with virtually no sides, and little or no water retention....In other words, EQ works well in a bulk cycle due to the added appetite, or cutting cycle due to the increase in vascularity, and lean-ness...
DECA does not have this potential at all....
And for the sake of your bullshit rambling, which I fully expected, EQ and Dbol are identical, and was made to be that way...the only difference is the added ester Undecilenate(sp?) and the fact that Dbol is a 17AA which can lie in the body undetected after aromatization, where as EQ only aromatizes into a very simple estrogen....
Again, I WILL stress...add Deca to a stack/cycle and you have increased the costs, and now have 2 very real sides to combat...
Add EQ to a cycle, one side, less costs....
There is no debate....Test is best, Deca is sucking hind tit on this one cumsmuggler....
heh heh heh heh...
Ranger
anabolic24/7
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Kudo's to you 2Thick
You have managed to get guy's to post on this thread who have not posted on EF in some time...cool.
Now MHO, I don't think it is possible to be an elite/pro bodybuilder without the use of both deca and test. If your genetics do not allow you to use one or the other, you will be "average". heh heh
You have managed to get guy's to post on this thread who have not posted on EF in some time...cool.
Now MHO, I don't think it is possible to be an elite/pro bodybuilder without the use of both deca and test. If your genetics do not allow you to use one or the other, you will be "average". heh heh
MikeyLikesJuice
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I don't think it is possible to be an elite/pro bodybuilder without the use of both deca and test.
i hear ya Anabolics, I love both of them!!! Good way to word it.
i hear ya Anabolics, I love both of them!!! Good way to word it.
The Iron Game
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Gyno-milker said:
You do not belong in this thread.
2Thick, I know for a fact that you cannot believe half the things you say about test. You just like commotion, right bro? Please say its so. I learnt some time back not to have a heated debate with you. No matter what is said, you always have an answer. This thread has been a barrel of laughs though. Ranger, Huck, Slopain, Macro, Andy, Stan, Gymrats Im suprised you are still going at it. Same old thread, different month.
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macrophage69alpha
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2thick,
Is it his lack of reading skills or your Deca induced hallucinations?
Is it his lack of reading skills or your Deca induced hallucinations?
I read it. I posted it as a quote. I understand it. the fact is it doesn't take much in the way of comprehensional skill to know that what you said is ridiculous. If you want to flip back to the top of page two on this thread maybe you can answer my question. If as you said natural test and test from an amp are different "because natural test performs many other functions than test in an amp"
I will ask you again to NAME TWO.
I will ask you again to NAME TWO.
RU-486 - I ain't convinced.
People keep saying this will alleviate deca gyno symptoms.
I don't even think it's worth of mentioning.
1. Not available
2. Not proven. Nobody even knows if it really works and what the side effects are. Deca _isn't_ progesterone - it just binds to the progestin receptors. Who knows how it competes or by what mechanism and what effect RU-486 will have? Who's to say RU-486 won't even _Activate_ the receptors in males to some degree?
3. Side effects? People keep saying it will help with cortisol. Bullshit. It will raise your cortisol levels by a feedback mechanism, but will out-compete it at the receptors. Guess what happens when you come off it?
Your cortisol levels are sky high. Cushing's Syndrome by abortion pill, anyone? Who knows.
Personally, I wouldn't touch the shit with a ten foot pole until a bunch of you guinea pig types have tested it semi-long term (i.e. it's been used for a few years "in the fields").
People keep saying this will alleviate deca gyno symptoms.
I don't even think it's worth of mentioning.
1. Not available
2. Not proven. Nobody even knows if it really works and what the side effects are. Deca _isn't_ progesterone - it just binds to the progestin receptors. Who knows how it competes or by what mechanism and what effect RU-486 will have? Who's to say RU-486 won't even _Activate_ the receptors in males to some degree?
3. Side effects? People keep saying it will help with cortisol. Bullshit. It will raise your cortisol levels by a feedback mechanism, but will out-compete it at the receptors. Guess what happens when you come off it?
Your cortisol levels are sky high. Cushing's Syndrome by abortion pill, anyone? Who knows.
Personally, I wouldn't touch the shit with a ten foot pole until a bunch of you guinea pig types have tested it semi-long term (i.e. it's been used for a few years "in the fields").
Andy13 said:
LMAO!!!
MikeyLikesJuice
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must be alot of fake deca going around
Oxandrolone beats Primo hands down
Since this was mentionned in a Deca versus Test topic, i will give my 2 cents on this:
Primo at 600 mgr/week is overkill. Sure you gain more on it then when doing 400 mgr (we are not talking about stacks here), but what you gain more is FAT, which you will have too loose again.
Now take Ox: doing 80 mgr/day (560 mgr/week) i stay right now at 196 lbs (but this still can go up, it's too soon to tell).
So: 8 tabs of 10 mgr/day (price per tab was $0,40), equals $3,20/day and this for 10 weeks equals $224. You have to add your liver protector (Tyler's liver protector for sale at Anabolic Fitness, sorry but this is the best), 2 boxes at $35 gives $70 (so 3 a day, which is certainly enough in this case).
So total $314. The only draw back, the price of the Ox went up. So now 2 x 40 mgr tabs a day equals $5. For 70 days this is $350 + $70 for the Tyler's= $420
Furthermore Ox gives NOT one side. All you have to do is take your liver protection.
For the record, when doing 300 mgr Primo/week last year in januari, without liver protection my GOT was 63 (normally between 0-36), so in fact one should use a liver protection no mather what roid is taking.
So a 10 week cycle of 600 mgr Primo costs as Macro states $600 + $70 for your Tyler's protection. Also hair protection must be considered, meaning the price goes up more. So this Primo cycle costs around $700.
Who is saying Ox is expensive?
Since this was mentionned in a Deca versus Test topic, i will give my 2 cents on this:
Primo at 600 mgr/week is overkill. Sure you gain more on it then when doing 400 mgr (we are not talking about stacks here), but what you gain more is FAT, which you will have too loose again.
Now take Ox: doing 80 mgr/day (560 mgr/week) i stay right now at 196 lbs (but this still can go up, it's too soon to tell).
So: 8 tabs of 10 mgr/day (price per tab was $0,40), equals $3,20/day and this for 10 weeks equals $224. You have to add your liver protector (Tyler's liver protector for sale at Anabolic Fitness, sorry but this is the best), 2 boxes at $35 gives $70 (so 3 a day, which is certainly enough in this case).
So total $314. The only draw back, the price of the Ox went up. So now 2 x 40 mgr tabs a day equals $5. For 70 days this is $350 + $70 for the Tyler's= $420
Furthermore Ox gives NOT one side. All you have to do is take your liver protection.
For the record, when doing 300 mgr Primo/week last year in januari, without liver protection my GOT was 63 (normally between 0-36), so in fact one should use a liver protection no mather what roid is taking.
So a 10 week cycle of 600 mgr Primo costs as Macro states $600 + $70 for your Tyler's protection. Also hair protection must be considered, meaning the price goes up more. So this Primo cycle costs around $700.
Who is saying Ox is expensive?
Creatine without roids?
save your money and don't take anything then. Creatine alone and you will retain water which gives you the impression of muscle gains? The only good thing about it, is the strength increase. But it is hard on the kidneys. So use it for max 6 weeks, if you must.
save your money and don't take anything then. Creatine alone and you will retain water which gives you the impression of muscle gains? The only good thing about it, is the strength increase. But it is hard on the kidneys. So use it for max 6 weeks, if you must.
FreakMonster
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BUMP
METHYL MIKE
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DAMN this thread is old...LONG LIVE DECA!!!!
Big Brother Val
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OH GOD! NOT AGAIN!
Just for the record... when this post was up and running, I was unsure of Deca.
It did give me gyno.
Just for the record... when this post was up and running, I was unsure of Deca.
It did give me gyno.
Animal came up with very interesting theory about Nolvadex being effective in preventing progesteron receptor binding induced gyno. The whole thing, you can check on Mr. H's Finaplix board, read Sticky posts, it's all there.
What he's saying make a lot of sense. I'm just curious, how many of you guys did get gyno from Deca, and used Nolvadex?
But, please, don't make anything up, tell the facts!
What he's saying make a lot of sense. I'm just curious, how many of you guys did get gyno from Deca, and used Nolvadex?
But, please, don't make anything up, tell the facts!
FreakMonster
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panerai said:
What about arimidex?
Big Brother Val
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Panerai, no I did not use Nolva with it. The gyno subsided with discontinuation of use.
I wouldn't take it again, even with Nolva on hand... because I'm not sure if it would work... and it isn't worth the risk of a pair of man-boobs.
I wouldn't take it again, even with Nolva on hand... because I'm not sure if it would work... and it isn't worth the risk of a pair of man-boobs.
Big Brother Val said:
That's why I'm trying to collect as many testimonials as possible, to see if his theory would work in real life, without taking actual risk and conducting an experiment.
Arimidex should work also, it decreases IGF-1 level almost as effectively as Nolvadex does. The main point of Animal is that increased IGF-1 level is nessecery for gyno to occure(that's a fact!), and the prime action of Nolvadex as anti-cancer drug, is reduction of IGF-1 level.
METHYL MIKE
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Thaibox said:I miss the days of the big brothers arguing. I learned more shit back then, it was great.
SOunds like its time for you to graduate form newbieville and cross over to http://www.anabolicfitness.net !!!
METHYL MIKE
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bigrand said:
Well, long story short, cancer relies on igf-1 to survive. Apparenly, cancer is rampant growth, so it needs something crazy to keep it "active" I guess you could say, and igf is that. Basically, cancer dies without elevated igf-1 levels. From what ive heard, the future of cancer treatments lies in blocking the igf-1 receptors, choking the cancer to death. Whats stoping them? Not much, except for the fact that igf receptors are almost identical in shape and size to insulin receptors. So the problem becomes finding a compound that fits the igf lock but not insulins. Im sure a very real cure for cancer is just around the corner. Time will tell.
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i was a biochem major. i also think you're off your rocker. arguing the point is without merit...you are entitled your opinion, but you are wrong.
test=test=test.
btw, if you think deca dick is a rare occurance, you must have taken it with an androgen. if you believe that progestin gyno is a myth, you must have taken either light doses or taken it with winny.
test=test=test.
btw, if you think deca dick is a rare occurance, you must have taken it with an androgen. if you believe that progestin gyno is a myth, you must have taken either light doses or taken it with winny.
CycloneHWT
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Decaman said:
No, you're right i put on 15lbs of muscle and kept.............. dun da dun....... all of it, test only, sten and sust, i gained that off of 6 amps of sust and 10 amps of sten over 7 weeks... are you kidding me? test is good, never tried deca though i am hearing mixed things obviously
Cyclone
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Like I said before...for me, test and no deca or deca and no test is like ham and no burger, peanut butter and no jelly, blow jobs and no sex...the list goes on.
Why choose one when you can have both?
For those of you who hate deca and love EQ, that's fine, but deca has tremendous effects on me, where EQ doesn't do shit.
Why choose one when you can have both?
For those of you who hate deca and love EQ, that's fine, but deca has tremendous effects on me, where EQ doesn't do shit.
BigPhysicsBastard
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I don't trust nothing that hangs around for a year.
this is the best post that ever lived!!!!!!!!! comfused the shit out of newbees , but fuckit 500mgtest/500deca for 10 weeks youll be a beast ,,,<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<, fuckit i wish i could do 800 d-bol week 1-4 1750 test enant week 1-10 /1750 deca week 1-10, 300mg fin ed week 1-6 , 300mg winny EDweek 5-10 <and a blow job{week1-forever} during clomid treatment , i wonder what kind of gains i would get?<<<<<<<<<<<<,humn i wonder??????????
BigPhysicsBastard
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Hehe......the only thing you'd get from that cycle is a funeral home director who's pissed off due to the extreme modifications they'd have to do to your coffin!!!
The Ranger
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As this thread was dug up once again...I thought I may try for the last word as always....heh heh heh
The only way Decaman, and 2Thick bought so much Deca is quite simply...they finally cashed their Jerry Springer check....
Test is Test....Test is BEST!!!
Always has been....Always will be....Nuff said My Brutha's....
Ranger
The only way Decaman, and 2Thick bought so much Deca is quite simply...they finally cashed their Jerry Springer check....
Test is Test....Test is BEST!!!
Always has been....Always will be....Nuff said My Brutha's....
Ranger
I am not too crazy about deca myself. I used Oraganon's Deca Durabolin brand that i got from a Holland pharmacy, so i know it was legit and pure. Now for the side effects.
Dosage- 200mg weekly tapered to 400mg and back down.
cycle lenght- 8 weeks.
Weeks at max dosage: 2 (400mg)
Body weight: 220. after, about 228.
Well the gains were OK. That's it as far as that.
Strenght gains were negligible, nothing spectacular. But i did loose a good ammount of body fat, but nothing like when using Sustanon.
I also got a case of Deca dick BIG TIME. At that time i did not know what was going on and it caused me a lot of depression. Also my face NEVER, NEVER looked so bloated as it did on deca. It was so ridiculous that some people did not recognize me at first glance. And the my balls were GONE. Hair loss was light.
One positive was that it did completly leal a couple aching and clicking joints for good. But that was it.
Now with 500mg weekly of sust i get awsome gains, excellent fat loss, strenght gains go through the roof , sex drive is up a lot and i actually get no hair loss and get a small ammount of hair re-growth, it's the strangest thing. Also another thing i can't explain is why do my balls actually increase in size during the cycle. Also water retention is about 50% less.
So overall i am not too crazy about Deca. It's an all right drug. But i would stack it in small ammounts for it's ability to:
Improve cholesterol profiles
heal joins
improve immune system function.
Sincerely
gwl9dta4
Dosage- 200mg weekly tapered to 400mg and back down.
cycle lenght- 8 weeks.
Weeks at max dosage: 2 (400mg)
Body weight: 220. after, about 228.
Well the gains were OK. That's it as far as that.
Strenght gains were negligible, nothing spectacular. But i did loose a good ammount of body fat, but nothing like when using Sustanon.
I also got a case of Deca dick BIG TIME. At that time i did not know what was going on and it caused me a lot of depression. Also my face NEVER, NEVER looked so bloated as it did on deca. It was so ridiculous that some people did not recognize me at first glance. And the my balls were GONE. Hair loss was light.
One positive was that it did completly leal a couple aching and clicking joints for good. But that was it.
Now with 500mg weekly of sust i get awsome gains, excellent fat loss, strenght gains go through the roof , sex drive is up a lot and i actually get no hair loss and get a small ammount of hair re-growth, it's the strangest thing. Also another thing i can't explain is why do my balls actually increase in size during the cycle. Also water retention is about 50% less.
So overall i am not too crazy about Deca. It's an all right drug. But i would stack it in small ammounts for it's ability to:
Improve cholesterol profiles
heal joins
improve immune system function.
Sincerely
gwl9dta4
FreakMonster
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gwl9dta4 said:
That's wierd, I get the exact opposite effects of the 2 drugs you just listed. I've done sustenon twice and both times it made me bloated as fuck and I had acne like a mutherfucker. I had no sides with deca and I always gain 10 pounds of quality muscle.
Its my first cycle of deca 400mg and Sust 500mg so i really dont know much yet but I do know this.... Ive had stiff neck, sore shoulder and pain in ancle for years now and the pain is ALL gone now and I credit that to the deca. I'm so fucking horney I would wack off 10x a day if i had time but my dick dont get all the way hard anymore. I ask my wife is she could tell and she said sex is not as good anymore. I blam deca for that. So I think I would rather have all the pain back and have my rock hard tool back also.
THE BOUNCER
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this is actually a very good post
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