Too soon for next tren cycle?

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So i recently did a 5 week tren ace cycle with no pct since im on HRT. It will be 5 weeks since ive been off as of november 12 (time on=time off)
I really want to hit ace again for 5 week cycle starting the 12th so i will be done by the time i go on xmas vacation. Gonna add GW for lethargy/cardio.

Is this a good idea or too soon for the next cycle?

 

[Arabian]

Dave , I ran Tren Ace for a couple of years heavy while on TRT and it shut me down however I recovered. I have run it for 15 weeks before so I would go for it, since you are on TRT anyway. I would do a full pct and once this run is done though. Good luck buddy

 

[Jbranken]

If you feel ready, I say go for it.

Since you just recently went 5 weeks on it, I'd be interested in knowing the difference you feel between the two cycle with the addition of GW. Definitely log this

 

[bonacris]

How were gains after 5 week.. ace doesnt really kick in until week 3

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[stevesmi]

run bloods and see if your lipids are okay first.

 

[-SD-]

How were gains after 5 week.. ace doesnt really kick in until week 3

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15 totally dry lbs
-2% BF

Best cycle i ever had results wise but it kicked my ass with the lethargy and cardio sides
Hopefully GW will remedy that
Gonna definitely log it since my last tren cycle was so recent and fresh on my mind to compare results to

 

[C0LUMB0]

get bloods done first rob, see where you are at and take it from there.

 

[-SD-]

i already have an appt for blood draw tomorrow AM

 

[C0LUMB0]

i already have an appt for blood draw tomorrow AM

good shit , post them up !

BTW is teh jacket too snug with the extra 15lbs.

 

[bonacris]

15 totally dry lbs
-2% BF

Best cycle i ever had results wise but it kicked my ass with the lethargy and cardio sides
Hopefully GW will remedy that
Gonna definitely log it since my last tren cycle was so recent and fresh on my mind to compare results to

Great results..

What kind of doses were you running

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[MattJS]

I suppose your bloodwork will tell you... I think 5/6 weeks is optimal for tren ace, once you start seeing great gains, that means you've got most of the benefit out of it already IMO.... For me 7 weeks plus the sides/benefits ratio became less favorable....

 

[-SD-]

I suppose your bloodwork will tell you... I think 5/6 weeks is optimal for tren ace, once you start seeing great gains, that means you've got most of the benefit out of it already IMO.... For me 7 weeks plus the sides/benefits ratio became less favorable....

I planned for 9 weeks but cut out at 5 after seeing the great results and sides werent worth it anymore

Ran 50mg/ED

 

[mustang_00]

when did sides hit you??

 

[RickRock13]

I would say go for it, as im really curious as to your take on the Tren and GW thing, especially since you already are well aware of the bad sides it can cause.

The only issue I have (other than lipid and health issues) are the fact that you haven't cruised very long and mtyostatin may still be somewhat high since you just came off of the high androgens a little over a month ago and that could seriously hinder gains if that is the case.

 

[-SD-]

I would say go for it, as im really curious as to your take on the Tren and GW thing, especially since you already are well aware of the bad sides it can cause.

The only issue I have (other than lipid and health issues) are the fact that you haven't cruised very long and mtyostatin may still be somewhat high since you just came off of the high androgens a little over a month ago and that could seriously hinder gains if that is the case.

Yes that concerned me as well but it was only 5 weeks on with equal time off. I was thinking 125mg EOD?
Very interested in the GW effects on tren and think logging it here would greatly benefit the board

 

[ledhead]

I would say go for it, as im really curious as to your take on the Tren and GW thing, especially since you already are well aware of the bad sides it can cause.

The only issue I have (other than lipid and health issues) are the fact that you haven't cruised very long and mtyostatin may still be somewhat high since you just came off of the high androgens a little over a month ago and that could seriously hinder gains if that is the case.

Yes. You made an excellent point. Myostatin is definitely still lurking in him. If he jumps on tren right now he will be lucky to get 3 good weeks out that cycle, that cycle would crash quick; especially with running a potent drug like tren. I say he should cruise another 10 weeks then start blasting. If he waits until the 20th week mark then the cycle will start to baseline again.

 

[-SD-]

Yea forgot about myostatin
I will wait the ten weeks then hit tren E with GW

 

[ledhead]

Yea forgot about myostatin
I will wait the ten weeks then hit tren E with GW

Smart man!

 

[stevesmi]

once you are ready do tren 200mg a week man.. the way i run ace a lot of people won't agree with but i do 100mg every 3.5 days (mainly cause of PIP and i hate injecting).. it works fine for me. or you can do 75 every 2.5 days so it adds up to 200mg a week or so.

you realy don't need to go up to 350 or 400 a week. you get just as good results at 200 with way less sides in my experience

 

[Mkingo]

can a person get a blood test for myostatin? While i am sure that 10 weeks is a good rule of thumb, its often stated on this site that people are all different and therefore respond differently to different compounds, and recover at different rates. Would this not also apply to myostatin? I'm curious as to whether there is some empirical way to determine if myostatin levels are sufficiently reduced so as to restart.

sorry if this is a stupid question

 

[RickRock13]

can a person get a blood test for myostatin? While i am sure that 10 weeks is a good rule of thumb, its often stated on this site that people are all different and therefore respond differently to different compounds, and recover at different rates. Would this not also apply to myostatin? I'm curious as to whether there is some empirical way to determine if myostatin levels are sufficiently reduced so as to restart.

sorry if this is a stupid question

Thats not a stupid question at all. I'm sure it does vary from person to person to some degree. For exsmple, I know Ledhead has speculated that a lot of the pros possibly have a genetic mutation which prevents myostatin from becoming a hinderance to gains like the majority of us. I see no reason that people couldn't have varying degrees of that.

As for a myostatin test, I dont know the answer to that

 

[ledhead]

can a person get a blood test for myostatin? While i am sure that 10 weeks is a good rule of thumb, its often stated on this site that people are all different and therefore respond differently to different compounds, and recover at different rates. Would this not also apply to myostatin? I'm curious as to whether there is some empirical way to determine if myostatin levels are sufficiently reduced so as to restart.

sorry if this is a stupid question

Go see a Doctor of Osteopathy. Ask him or her to test you for mutations in the MSTN gene.

The MSTN gene is located on the long (q) arm of chromosome 2 at position 32.2. Also, the MSTN gene is located from base pair 190,920,425 to base pair 190,927,454 on chromosome 2.

Other than getting a gentic test; I would advise you to save your more anabolic streroids to the end of your cycle because it appears Myostatin will crash a cycle by day 56. For an example, wait to insert tren until day 56; tren will combat Myostatin for another 2-3 weeks because it is highly anabolic.

 

[Reps For Jesus]

any thoughts on ACE-031 or MYO-029?

 

[Mkingo]

You've got me really interested in myostatin! I found a research article via the web that indicates creative and exercise help to moderate myostatin levels. I'd post a link but don't have enough posts yet. The effect of exercise on myostatin levels in non aas using test subjects seems obvious. Led do agree with the claim creatine will help moderate myostatin levels? How would aas use change things? Would it be logical to conclude by extension that taking creatine during recovery period help reduce myostatin further and faster, and therefore make the next aas cycle more productive?

 

[-SD-]

Go see a Doctor of Osteopathy. Ask him or her to test you for mutations in the MSTN gene.

The MSTN gene is located on the long (q) arm of chromosome 2 at position 32.2. Also, the MSTN gene is located from base pair 190,920,425 to base pair 190,927,454 on chromosome 2.

Other than getting a gentic test; I would advise you to save your more anabolic streroids to the end of your cycle because it appears Myostatin will crash a cycle by day 56. For an example, wait to insert tren until day 56; tren will combat Myostatin for another 2-3 weeks because it is highly anabolic.

What if you running just tren E for the cycle? Should you just up the dose by day 56 to combat myostatin?

 

[Jbranken]

What if you running just tren E for the cycle? Should you just up the dose by day 56 to combat myostatin?

I think he said before that you can insert an oral here to combat myos. in this scenario

 

[ledhead]

What if you running just tren E for the cycle? Should you just up the dose by day 56 to combat myostatin?

It would seem that your body is going to combat your androgens, whatever they may be, with myostatin. If the new drugs were more anabolic than what you began with then you'd have to take that into consideration and expect some gains to occur. But what drug is more anabolic than tren?

So to answer your question, No, not with running tren from the jump. Like I said, inserting tren around week 7 would extend the cycle to about week 11 because it is highly anabolic, which will combat Myostatin another few weeks. But that cycle will crash no matter what at the week 11 mark.

Let me see if I can find that Myostatin link, so everyone can read it and get a good fix on what I am saying because this subject is rather confusing...

 

[ledhead]

Here it is..

Measurement of myostatin concentrations in human serum:
Circulating concentrations in young and older men and effects
of testosterone administration.