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"Too much testosterone kills brain cells "

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Too much testosterone kills brain cells
By Maggie Fox, Health and Science Correspondent
Wed Sep 27, 8:23 AM ET


WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Too much testosterone can kill brain cells, researchers said on Tuesday in a finding that may help explain why steroid abuse can cause behavior changes like aggressiveness and suicidal tendencies.


Tests on brain cells in lab dishes showed that while a little of the male hormone is good, too much of it causes cells to self-destruct in a process similar to that seen in brain illnesses such as Alzheimer's.

"Too little testosterone is bad, too much is bad but the right amount is perfect," said Barbara Ehrlich of Yale University in Connecticut, who led the study.

Testosterone is key to the development, differentiation and growth of cells and is produced by both men and women, although men produce about 20 times more of the hormone.

It can also be abused, and recent scandals have involved athletes who use the hormone, or steroids that turn into testosterone in the body, for an unfair advantage.

"Other people have shown that high levels of steroid can cause behavioral changes," Ehrlich said in a telephone interview.

"We can show that when you have high levels of steroids, you have high testosterone and that can destroy the nerve cells. We know that when you lose brain cells you lose function."

Ehrlich's team tried the same thing with the "female" hormone estrogen, just to be fair.

"We were surprised, but it actually looks like estrogen is neuroprotective. If anything, there is less cell death in the presence of estrogen," she said.

Writing in the Journal of Biological Chemistry, Ehrlich and colleagues said their findings meant people should think twice about supplementing with testosterone, even if it does build muscle mass and aid recovery after exercise.

"These effects of testosterone on neurons will have long term effects on brain function," they wrote.

"Next time a muscle-bound guy in a sports car cuts you off on the highway, don't get mad -- just take a deep breath and realize that it might not be his fault," Ehrlich said in a statement.

The cells die via a process called apoptosis, also known as cell suicide or programmed cell death.

"Apoptosis is an important thing for the brain -- the brain needs to weed out some of the cells. But when it happens too frequently, you lose too many cells and causes problems."

A similar process is seen in Alzheimer's disease, the most common cause of dementia in the United States, affecting an estimated 4.5 million Americans, and Huntington's disease, another fatal brain illness.

"Our results suggest that the responses to elevated testosterone can be compared with these pathophysiological conditions," the researchers wrote.
 
I need this article so next time I get a speeding/traffic ticket I can plead that I dont have the right brain cells and "its not my fault" so then they can just let me go. Yeah i'm an idiot. Dont piss on my head and tell me its raining.
 
"We were surprised, but it actually looks like estrogen is neuroprotective. If anything, there is less cell death in the presence of estrogen," she said.
Someone should tell the researchers that there is no way to use Test without estrogen. Even with an AI you're only inhibiting 60% on average. So if E is neuroprotective then that pretty much negates the results of the T experiment.
 
let me guess...it was brain cells on a Petri dish from a rat and they dumped a gram of pure testosterone on it.
how ignorant is this statement?:
"Next time a muscle-bound guy in a sports car cuts you off on the highway, don't get mad -- just take a deep breath and realize that it might not be his fault," Ehrlich said in a statement.

Not one time did they say she was a Doctor also...must not be

I like how a women did the expirment and a women wrote the artical, I think someone has a case of feminist syndrome
 
MTS said:
let me guess...it was brain cells on a Petri dish from a rat and they dumped a gram of pure testosterone on it.
how ignorant is this statement?:
"Next time a muscle-bound guy in a sports car cuts you off on the highway, don't get mad -- just take a deep breath and realize that it might not be his fault," Ehrlich said in a statement.

Not one time did they say she was a Doctor also...must not be

I like how a women did the expirment and a women wrote the artical, I think someone has a case of feminist syndrome


What a genius article..jeez - some solid scientific protocol there. Ms. Ehrlich's most notable award? The 1995 Blue Ribbon for Blueberry Pie, Barnstable County Fair, Falmouth, MA. :Chef: Looks like Ms. Ehrlich may indeed have a bad case of the syndrome -->
http://info.med.yale.edu/pharm/faculty/index.php?bioID=8
 
Since most women are clueless compared to men, I think this theory fails to hold up in the real world.

I mean no offense, but almost every important discovery was found by a man, almost every company is run by men, and almost every technological invention was invented by a man.

So if testosterone is making these men so stupid, whats women's excuse?
 
KD1 said:
Since most women are clueless compared to men, I think this theory fails to hold up in the real world.

I mean no offense, but almost every important discovery was found by a man, almost every company is run by men, and almost every technological invention was invented by a man.

So if testosterone is making these men so stupid, whats women's excuse?

PMS. :p
 
Ulter said:
Someone should tell the researchers that there is no way to use Test without estrogen. Even with an AI you're only inhibiting 60% on average. So if E is neuroprotective then that pretty much negates the results of the T experiment.
Lol... pooned the scientists a few short sentances.
 
beat me to it...had me crackin up i was just gonna post this...lol...the sports car remark was hilarious..lol
 
MTS said:
let me guess...it was brain cells on a Petri dish from a rat and they dumped a gram of pure testosterone on it.
how ignorant is this statement?:
"Next time a muscle-bound guy in a sports car cuts you off on the highway, don't get mad -- just take a deep breath and realize that it might not be his fault," Ehrlich said in a statement.

Not one time did they say she was a Doctor also...must not be

I like how a women did the expirment and a women wrote the artical, I think someone has a case of feminist syndrome

i was thinking of the same thing regarding them dumping a 5lb sack of testosterone powder on a petri dish with a tissue sample the size of a tic tac.lol good stuff
 
Ulter said:
Someone should tell the researchers that there is no way to use Test without estrogen. Even with an AI you're only inhibiting 60% on average. So if E is neuroprotective then that pretty much negates the results of the T experiment.


thats what I thought. good job
 
I think.......................................Wait what is this post about????
 
blackhatcowboy said:
So What!!!!

I think be smart is over rated :rolleyes:

I mean how much pussy do smart guys get.

you are right

i walk around sounding like a science book 90% of my day...needless to say i dont get much action .lol
 
CNN has this on the front page! Here we go again, now every jerk-off and his mother is going to be shaking a finger at me ............ Thanks Media!
 
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.. so that explains why George Dub-ya is so dumb.. Too much testosterone.. whudda thunk that?!?!?

T-Matt
 
KD1 said:
Since most women are clueless compared to men, I think this theory fails to hold up in the real world.

I mean no offense, but almost every important discovery was found by a man, almost every company is run by men, and almost every technological invention was invented by a man.

?

Thats becuase the men were trying to invent things to impress the girls so they would get laid.

Some where a cave man invented fire becuase he thought if he could keep his cave warm the chicks would dig it and hang out in his cave and he might be able to nail a little ass .

I'm sure the invention of the wheel was similar a nerdy caveman that wasnt getting laid was jealous and tried to roll a rock onto the bigger caveman that was fucking all the chicks and kill him so he might get a chance at fucking some of the girls.

Even bill gates was a fucking nerd a teckie junkie that could not get laid so he invented a program that runs the world so he could finally get a piece of the pussy pie.
 
chazk said:
Thats becuase the men were trying to invent things to impress the girls so they would get laid.

Some where a cave man invented fire becuase he thought if he could keep his cave warm the chicks would dig it and hang out in his cave and he might be able to nail a little ass .

I'm sure the invention of the wheel was similar a nerdy caveman that wasnt getting laid was jealous and tried to roll a rock onto the bigger caveman that was fucking all the chicks and kill him so he might get a chance at fucking some of the girls.

Even bill gates was a fucking nerd a teckie junkie that could not get laid so he invented a program that runs the world so he could finally get a piece of the pussy pie.

Exactly..

Same reason we all do 5 extra minutes of cardio at a 15% higher intensity and 2 more reps on every exercise... It's that pussy factor.. YOu either have the drive for it or you don't.. Those who don't have the drive just shrivel up and die with their dicks in their hands wondering wtf just happened..

T-Matt
 
LOL.....This is the biggest load of Horseshit i've seen in awhile.

Jesus....I don't know how I got through all them Biochem classes while on test. Shit, imagine how much smarter I would have been if I didn't use.

LOL @ Lanky.....Your post made me laugh so hard. I can totally relate on the "text book smart guy" conversator = hardly any pussy.

If you do not have a sense of humor and can't fuck around at times, women will look right past ya.

BMJ
 
Well, here is the study that was used to come up with the conclusion that "Too much testosterone kills brain cells."

http://www.jbc.org/cgi/content/abst...INDEX=0&sortspec=relevance&resourcetype=HWCIT

J. Biol. Chem., Vol. 281, Issue 35, 25492-25501, September 1, 2006

"Elevated Testosterone Induces Apoptosis in Neuronal Cells*"

Manuel Estrada12, Anurag Varshney1, and Barbara E. Ehrlich3
From the Departments of Pharmacology and Cellular and Molecular Physiology, Yale University, New Haven, Connecticut 06520

Testosterone plays a crucial role in neuronal function, but elevated concentrations can have deleterious effects. Here we show that supraphysiological levels of testosterone (micromolar range) initiate the apoptotic cascade. We used three criteria, annexin V labeling, caspase activity, and DNA fragmentation, to determine that apoptotic pathways were activated by testosterone. Micromolar, but not nanomolar, testosterone concentrations increased the response in all three assays of apoptosis. In addition, testosterone induced different concentration-dependent Ca2+ signaling patterns: at low concentrations of testosterone (100 nM), Ca2+ oscillations were produced, whereas high concentrations (1-10 µM) induced a sustained Ca2+ increase. Elevated testosterone concentrations increase cell death, and this effect was abolished in the presence of either inhibitors of caspases or the inositol 1,4,5-trisphosphate receptor (InsP3R)-mediated Ca2+ release. Knockdown of InsP3R type 1 with specific small interfering RNA also abolished the testosterone-induced cell death and the prolonged Ca2+ signals. In contrast, knockdown of InsP3R type 3 modified neither the apoptotic response nor the Ca2+ signals. These results support our hypothesis that elevated testosterone alters InsP3R type 1-mediated intracellular Ca2+ signaling and that the prolonged Ca2+ signals lead to apoptotic cell death. These effects of testosterone on neurons will have long term effects on brain function.

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Received for publication, April 4, 2006 , and in revised form, June 20, 2006.

* This work was supported by National Institutes of Health Grants GM63496 and DK61747 (to B. E. E.), and FONDECYT Grant 1060077 (to M. E.), and a National Kidney Foundation postdoctoral fellowship (to A. V.). The costs of publication of this article were defrayed in part by the payment of page charges. This article must therefore be hereby marked "advertisement" in accordance with 18 U.S.C. Section 1734 solely to indicate this fact.

1 These authors contributed equally to this work.

2 Present address: Programa de Fisiología y Biofísica, ICBM, Facultad de Medicina, Universidad de Chile, Correo 7, Santiago, Chile. Tel.: 56-2-9786272; Fax: 56-2-7776916; E-mail: [email protected].

3 To whom correspondence should be addressed: Dept. of Pharmacology, Yale University, 333 Cedar St., New Haven, CT 06520-8066. Tel.: 203-737-1158; Fax: 203-737-2027; E-mail: [email protected].

BMJ
 
I worried a little bit when I first read this, but then I realized I have no problem killing 20 beers in a night, and I'm pretty sure that'll do it. Like Nietzsche said (probably after comming off a cycle), "If you feel guilty about something, turn around and do something twice as bad. Then the first thing will seem like nothing."
 
It seems like the CNN Article was designed to cast doubt on the usage of test. to elevate levels in the human body. And garner the Yale science dept. some free press with a hot topic.The extrapolation and manipulation of the content in the article "Testosterone Kills brain cells" goes beyond journalistic embellishment.

Here is a better one: "low testosterone in older men is associated with increased mortality risk." In a four-year period, men over the age of 40 with low testosterone were about 70% more likely to die than men with normal levels reported by Richard O'Brien, Emergency physician and Temple University clinical instructor. From the Bottom Line Healthier magazine.

So, we can postulate then, when it comes to Testosterone: "too much, might be bad?, a normal level is good! But, a low level is deadly!!!!!"
 
Lot of articles popping up in the mags these days corroborated by valid studies which suggest a lot of the confusion on this issue came about because there were athletes who were suspected of using or known to have been using steroids who were doing some crazy/bad things as they approached middle age. Problem was, this masked the fact that these athletes were suffering from brain damage caused by repeated, often untreated concussions.

Even the case of Chris Benoit: he was found to have been on nothing more than a HRT dose of steroids but his brain showed similarities to Alzheimer's patients due to repeated head trauma.
 
Another way for the media to bash something they know nothing about. They should write an article saying too much of almost anything foreign we put in our bodies kills brain cells among other things. Or don't go to the dr because medication kills brain cells. I think this lady is too high killed her brain cells after reading that article.
 
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