that was the exact poin in one of my posts, we got alot of people on here that think if they take 5 different drugs they will somehow induce magical gains........not so, stick to basics test+dboll+deca when bulking, tren+test+arimidex+anti-est (i found addition of enti-estrogen along with arimidex produced much harder look then arimidex alone) when cutting. That is all one needs to make fantastic progress, all the fucking hgh is not necesary unless you are planning on standing next to Ronnie Coleman any time soon.