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too much protien????????????
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louden_swain
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Your body can only digest so much at each meal. . (25-33 grams). . the rest is discharged as waste.
Elevate the metabolism by eating frequent meals. This will help open up protein windows.
Protein windows refers to absorption.
Elevate the metabolism by eating frequent meals. This will help open up protein windows.
Protein windows refers to absorption.
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Debaser
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louden_swain said:
I'm sorry but that is not correct...
From Bryan Haycock:
Myth #2: You can only assimilate 30 grams of protein at one sitting.
Fact: The body has the ability to digest and assimilate much more than 30 grams of protein from a single meal.
Speaking of high intakes of protein, people have been perpetuating the myth that you can only assimilate ~30 grams of protein at a time, making protein meals any greater than a 6 oz. chicken breast a waste. This is anything but true. For example, the digestibility of meat (i.e. beef, poultry, pork and fish) is about 97% efficient. If you eat 25 grams of beef, you will absorb into the blood stream 97% of the protein in that piece of meat. If, on the other hand, you eat a 10 oz steak containing about 60 grams of protein, you will again digest and absorb 97% of the protein. If you could only assimilate 30 grams of protein at a time, why would researchers be using in excess of 40 grams of protein to stimulate muscle growth?1
Critics of high protein intakes may try to point out that increased protein intake only leads to increased protein oxidation. This is true, nevertheless, some researchers speculate that this increase in protein oxidation following high protein intakes may initiate something they call the "anabolic drive".13 The anabolic drive is characterized by hyperaminoacidemia, an increase in both protein synthesis and breakdown with an overall positive nitrogen balance. In animals, there is a correspondent increase in anabolic hormones such as IGF-1 and GH. Though this response is difficult to identify in humans, an increase in lean tissue accretion does occur with exaggerated protein intakes.14,15
The take home message is that, if you are going to maximize muscle growth you have to minimize muscle loss, and maximize protein synthesis. Research clearly shows this is accomplished with heavy training, adequate calories, and very importantly high protein consumption. This means that meals containing more than 30 grams of protein will be the norm. Not to worry, all that protein will certainly be used effectively by the body.
louden_swain
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I totally disagree with that article.
There is a reason why we shit. . if we absorbed all nutrients there would be no need for us to shit.
There is a reason why we shit. . if we absorbed all nutrients there would be no need for us to shit.
JollyRogers
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lol
c3bodybuilding
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Tiger, I would rather have too much than too little. I would say for natural you are taking in enough right now. But when you go on again, I'd bump it up. 
Dave949
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If one consumes more protein than is needed by the body, the excess amino acids will be broken down, with the carbon skeletons stored as fat and the nitrogen part excreted as urea. All this excess urea can significantly strain your liver and kidneys.Debaser said:
Weight training athletes in general do not need greatly increased amounts of protein, rather they need only small increases in protein but substancial increases in calories.
Please note: ( Nutritionists and other experts in the field of health and nutrition hold widely varying views ).
MsBeverlyHills
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Non-athletes need only around .8grs of protein/lb of bodyweight & weight-training athletes need at least 1.3 grs/lb of bodyweight. So if your eating 325grs @235 lbs (about 1.4grs/lb)-- your not getting too much.
Also, the absorbtion of protein really depends on how you get it-- whey protein isolate is prob the highest at 98%. The liver/kidney failure argument that Dave posted only effects people w/that pre-existing condition...not healthy athletes.
Also, the absorbtion of protein really depends on how you get it-- whey protein isolate is prob the highest at 98%. The liver/kidney failure argument that Dave posted only effects people w/that pre-existing condition...not healthy athletes.
louden_swain
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TheOAK84,
Hows training going bro? Are you still in school? I haven't see you around here in a while.
Hows training going bro? Are you still in school? I haven't see you around here in a while.
ive been fine.. im actually trying to lose some extra fat. its goin pretty good. i can have one cheat day a week right??? im not sure about that.
i started with inclines then flat in my chest routine and my delts look better and are getting stronger too... my last chest work out i did (incline) 225 for 12 then racked it, rested for 7 seconds and did 2 more reps.. it was great
i thought u werent gonna post for a while?
i started with inclines then flat in my chest routine and my delts look better and are getting stronger too... my last chest work out i did (incline) 225 for 12 then racked it, rested for 7 seconds and did 2 more reps.. it was great
i thought u werent gonna post for a while?
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slobberknocker
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I did an oral presentation on muscle protein synthesis a week or two ago. Based on studies I found in the International Journal of Sports Nutrition, the optimal protein intake for strength athletes is about 1.7 g/kg. Yes, grams per KG, not LB. For endurance athletes it was 1.3 g/kg, and for sedentary people it was .8 g/kg.
Excess protein intake
Most studies that I have read suggest somewhere between 1.6 and 1.9 grams of protein per kilogram of bodyweight. Based on anecdotal evidence, including my personal experience (ahmmm), much more daily protein than that results in excessive gas and/or frequent washroom breaks. I have reduced the problem considerably by taking 1100 mg of ginger root at work and drinking ginger tea before retiring for the night. (Yes, my wife thanks me.) Still, what isn't digested is excreted.
If you want to add muscle, start by accepting the fact that you will almost certainly add some fat, too. Rather than walk around trailing a toxic cloud, add carbs to your diet.
Most studies that I have read suggest somewhere between 1.6 and 1.9 grams of protein per kilogram of bodyweight. Based on anecdotal evidence, including my personal experience (ahmmm), much more daily protein than that results in excessive gas and/or frequent washroom breaks. I have reduced the problem considerably by taking 1100 mg of ginger root at work and drinking ginger tea before retiring for the night. (Yes, my wife thanks me.) Still, what isn't digested is excreted.
If you want to add muscle, start by accepting the fact that you will almost certainly add some fat, too. Rather than walk around trailing a toxic cloud, add carbs to your diet.
My "shits" are directly correlated with the amount of fiber/carbs I eat. I`m sure I`m wrong with assuming THAT is what happens, but when I cut my carbs or fiber I don`t have a BM for 2 days or so WHILE keeping protein intake high.
This is JUST from my experience. No knowledge on the subject. Maybe there`s something else happening that I`m unaware of.
This is JUST from my experience. No knowledge on the subject. Maybe there`s something else happening that I`m unaware of.
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Debaser
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The problem is that I have yet to see a legitimate study on the matter. They need to do a study on hardcore trainees, like intermediate or higher powerlifters for example. Not the average Joe doing tricep kickbacks and barely breaking a sweat. Higher demands on the body might make a demand for higher protein intake, and its certainly seemed to improve my gains.
Not to mention, on higher calorie diets, what would the harm be? Just try it. It seems ludicrous to me for a 200 lb guy to have 200 g of protein and 1000 grams of carbs. Have 400 g protein, with lots of fat and moderate carbs.
Not to mention, on higher calorie diets, what would the harm be? Just try it. It seems ludicrous to me for a 200 lb guy to have 200 g of protein and 1000 grams of carbs. Have 400 g protein, with lots of fat and moderate carbs.
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slobberknocker
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Debaser said:
Then you aren't looking in the right place.
Look in the International Journal of Sports Nutrition, 1998, Volume 8, pgs. 426-447. The article is "Effects of Exercise on Dietary Protein Requirements" by Peter W. R. Lemon.
Dave949
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An analogy concerning protein intake is always good.....
If it takes 20 gallons of gas to drive from NYC to Boston will putting in 60 gallons get you there any faster or better.......
Actually, the extra 40 gallons that is not needed will be an added weight resulting in less efficient fuel mileage..........
If it takes 20 gallons of gas to drive from NYC to Boston will putting in 60 gallons get you there any faster or better.......
Actually, the extra 40 gallons that is not needed will be an added weight resulting in less efficient fuel mileage..........
I'm confused. I've heard for years that consuming at least 1 gr of protein per lb of body weight was a must. I never new that there was so much debate on the subject.
I find it all interesting and informative though, just a little confusing.
I think I will still try to get at least 1 gr per lb though, I just hope I'm not screwing up my liver or kidneys!
I find it all interesting and informative though, just a little confusing.
I think I will still try to get at least 1 gr per lb though, I just hope I'm not screwing up my liver or kidneys!
Your kidneys will be fine... high protein is only an issue for people with pre-existing kidney conditions.
Plus, the idea that people can only digest 30g is simply wrong. I don't know how that got started. Maybe a myth perpetuated by the supplement industry to promote people taking frequent scoops of their stuff instead of larger, infrequent food doses.
Prehistoric man survived by living off herds of grazing creatures. They wouldn't eat for a while, and then all at once they'd gorge themselves on a kill (no refrigeration, you don't have long to eat it). If the body suddenly arbitrarily stopped digestion protein after 30g, our ancestors would have been f---ed, to put it mildly.
Plus, the idea that people can only digest 30g is simply wrong. I don't know how that got started. Maybe a myth perpetuated by the supplement industry to promote people taking frequent scoops of their stuff instead of larger, infrequent food doses.
Prehistoric man survived by living off herds of grazing creatures. They wouldn't eat for a while, and then all at once they'd gorge themselves on a kill (no refrigeration, you don't have long to eat it). If the body suddenly arbitrarily stopped digestion protein after 30g, our ancestors would have been f---ed, to put it mildly.
louden_swain
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casualbb said:
Damn. . .we would all be hungry and angry men if this were the case today. I can't imagine going this long without food. . . that is why I could never make it on the show survivor lol.
If I was hungry enough. . .I would certainly kill and eat any creature I could find lol.
overhead
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This certainly is not a scientific study, but I can relate what I found in my diet. I have gotten gout on and off since I was 17 or so, I have a built in high urea meter . I weight about 194 or so, and if I go above 400 grams of protein a day I start to feel gout in my ankle and toe, anything under that and I do not. If I drink 300 grams of whey protein in shake form in a day I also start to feel a little gouty 
, but casinate does not have the same effect. So, I can handle up to 400 grams of protein a day as long as the majority of it is from real food. How does this apply to the rest of the population? I have no clue. And, the docs can find nothing wrong with my kidneys, they say that my body is just not very efficent at removing urea.
. I weight about 194 or so, and if I go above 400 grams of protein a day I start to feel gout in my ankle and toe, anything under that and I do not. If I drink 300 grams of whey protein in shake form in a day I also start to feel a little gouty , but casinate does not have the same effect. So, I can handle up to 400 grams of protein a day as long as the majority of it is from real food. How does this apply to the rest of the population? I have no clue. And, the docs can find nothing wrong with my kidneys, they say that my body is just not very efficent at removing urea.
