Today I was discriminated against.

[Natymike]

Now you know what all those Black Kids feel like EVERYDAY going to the "White Colleges" and in modern society.

this was the exact response I expected from you, however, you are blind to what really goes on in "modern society" so there is no point in explaining anything to you.

Please find me an all white university, thats right, no other ethnic group, race or culture, once you find me an all white college, I will never speak again.

Let me clarify my point since you probably won't understand. There are no all white colleges, so once again, your argument is completely useless. You are being redundant and its getting tiresome, I'm going to sleep as well.

 

[downsent]

Gladius im usually nice but your a moron, you are trash talking, whos to white, to proud i live in a inner city most of my freinds are black i was one of 3 people who were white in my senior class, whos to proud your arguring to hear youself SHUT UP for a minute and think about the points presented. you have nothing to counter anyone. your an idiot you have a closed mind and a fucked up veiw of the world, you refuss to see anything for what it might actually be, you watch to much tv i bet. i bet you belive in restitutions too. your sad. where do you get these ideas? i feel sorry for you youll never know what its like to be opend minded and see things for what they are. you are stuck in the past. I wouldnt go to grambling caues its a buissness school and im a med student . i cant even expalin how much of a moron you are. read some books on politics and real culture, make sure there up to date. You play the same games race batters like jessie jackson and al sharpton do and to we'r hopless, grow up son you have been out debated and out classed this evining, i noticed you stopped responding to me a long time ago. Well goodnight and God bless you. your pathetic you have no understanding of what was being debated here tonight......

 

[downsent]

I just noticed the im white and i want more thing, what do i want more of, equllity for all, yes, read all the post asshole have you missed every one of my posts? case closed? you have no case, how can you close what was never opend? please go to bed. becaues your argument is tired.

 

[furious]

http://www.blackstocks.com/in_news/9298d/page2447.htm

Read this

 

[Natymike]

http://www.blackstocks.com/in_news/9298d/page2447.htm

Read this

Its sad when it takes a court order to force black colleges to let in more whites.

Remember when segregation in schools was first outlawed?? A small group of black students attending a white school were tormented all day long.

Now its the other way around and its the year 2001, its sad, it really is.

 

[talonracer]

I don't know, brother...LOL

Typical liberal........he's sooooooooooo smart and the rest of Americans are soooo stupid. Just because we don't want communism and socialism like Thick does. We defeated Communism in the 80's now we still have leftists pining for it now.

 

[plifter]

Please answer these questions for me BOS:

What percentage of the American population is black?

And

How many members of the US Senate are Black?

Blacks also have a lower voter turn out than whites. Also, should you consider race when voting? Why not vote for the best candidate for the job regardless of race? In the last presidential election I voted for someone based on what I read about him. I voted for Libertarian Harry Browne. To this day I have no idea if Harry is black, white, hispanic, jewish.... etc. I've never seen his picture.

 

[WODIN]

Most of these scholarships are set up by private individuals who can design them to support whatever it is they want supported. There is actually a scholarship out there for left handed tennis players. So if you feel descriminated against you are an un informed idiot...much like Plifter...do you really want to stay like plifter....think about it.

 

[primetime21]

1.) 12%

2.) 2 out of 100

That means that 2% of the Senate are black but blacks make up 12% of the national population.

Unless you believe that black people are genetically inferior to white people (which is not the case) then there is some sort of institutional discrimination at play.

Just because there aren't a proportional amount of blacks in the senate does NOT mean that there is ANY institutional discrimination at play. Perhaps, less blacks want to run for senate. Or perhaps those that do, go up against whites in districts that have 70 percent whites and 30 percent blacks? Maybe its because some blacks are discouraged by the american system and therefore dont want to partake in it.

UNless you claim whites fix elections i am not sure how an institution can prevent someone from running if they are black and then prevent black people for voting.

As for reverse discrimination. Well, you are going to have to live with it. Maybe study harder and get better grades. Its not like these schools are 90 percent minority. Go to any campus and its very white. So i dont see that much of a problem letting in a handful of people because of their race. I am sure i could have gone to Harvard Law if i were black, but thats life.

 

[2Thick]

Sometimes I wonder whether he just makes the statements he does to be outrageous or whether he is so inflexible and ignorant that he really feels that no one's opinions but his own are valid.

I guess the answer to that will be one of life's great mysteries...

 

[2Thick]

Just because there aren't a proportional amount of blacks in the senate does NOT mean that there is ANY institutional discrimination at play. Perhaps, less blacks want to run for senate. Or perhaps those that do, go up against whites in districts that have 70 percent whites and 30 percent blacks? Maybe its because some blacks are discouraged by the american system and therefore dont want to partake in it.

The persons that run for the Senate are chosen by their respective political party. That is where the real discrimination takes place. Perhaps you think that black people are less ambitious than whites. Perhaps you are mistaken.

I am sure i could have gone to Harvard Law if i were black, but thats life.

You could have went to Harvard Law if you were smarter, worked harder, or had richer parents. Don't blame your failure on black scholarships.

 

[2Thick]

Typical liberal........he's sooooooooooo smart and the rest of Americans are soooo stupid. Just because we don't want communism and socialism like Thick does. We defeated Communism in the 80's now we still have leftists pining for it now.

Do I detect some animosity...LOL...

 

[spentagn]

While in the past political parties did select the candidates, the evolution of modern campaigns gives evidence to the fact that modern campaigns are candidate-oriented and have significantly diminished the power and influence of political parties. Please don't get me wrong, parties still play a HUGE roll in a successful campaign, mainly through monetary donations and opposition research. But, the demise of the political parties since the Golden Age of politics has significantly increased the opportunity for minorities (and everyone else, for that matter) to participate in the political process, in whatever manner they choose.

And that is basically the definition of a pluralist democracy, that we have the opportunity to participate.

For example, three years ago, during the last off-year election, a Hispanic candidate ran for a state position. He took a leave of absence from his teaching position at an inner-city school to run his campaign, which was self-financed. He drove from town to town to gain support, and received no help from the Democratic party. Not only did he win the primary and receive their nomination, but came withing a few points of winning the office. I attended what was supposed to be his election party, and the support for him was phenominal. Too bad he didn't win.

 

[2Thick]

While in the past political parties did select the candidates, the evolution of modern campaigns gives evidence to the fact that modern campaigns are candidate-oriented and have significantly diminished the power and influence of political parties. Please don't get me wrong, parties still play a HUGE roll in a successful campaign, mainly through monetary donations and opposition research. But, the demise of the political parties since the Golden Age of politics has significantly increased the opportunity for minorities (and everyone else, for that matter) to participate in the political process, in whatever manner they choose.

And that is basically the definition of a pluralist democracy, that we have the opportunity to participate.

You are correct when you say that the opportunities for minorities are greater now than ever before and you are also correct about the more candidate-oriented campaigns, but that still does not take away from the fact that candidates that are well-funded by the party have an enormous advantage over their opponents. George W. Bush is a prime example of money being used to the candidate's advantage when other qualities (to put it lightly) were missing.

 

[spentagn]

Very true and factual, until the opinion of Bush was thrown in at the end. Kinda put a smile on my face

 

[2Thick]

Very true and factual, until the opinion of Bush was thrown in at the end. Kinda put a smile on my face

I knew that you would like that...hehehe

 

[VicTusDeuS]

If you are poor then you qualify for financial aid. If you are smart then you qualify for scholarships.

What else do you want?

If scholarships were based on just intelligence, than this whole thread would be non existant. However, at Seton Hall, scholarships are not based on academics, but on race.(At least this particular scholarship)

 

[2Thick]

If scholarships were based on just intelligence, than this whole thread would be non existant. However, at Seton Hall, scholarships are not based on academics, but on race.(At least this particular scholarship)

This scholarship is in place because certain groups have been purposely excluded from scholarships in the past. An exclusivity clause is necessary in order to guarantee somewhat equal access to an affordable education.

 

[the nature boy]

Someone posted this earlier but predominatly black schools have scholarships for white students only. So it goes both ways.

 

[Natymike]

This scholarship is in place because certain groups have been purposely excluded from scholarships in the past. An exclusivity clause is necessary in order to guarantee somewhat equal access to an affordable education.

I agree, but this is not 1950 anymore, and I disagree that the best solution to past discrimination is to reverse the discrimination and cause MORE unequality.

 

[gymtime]

At the risk of digressing back to the original subject, I have two questions for young Mr. Balls. First, how may scholarships are available to you in total? Second, How many are not available to you based on your race?

 

[primetime21]

The persons that run for the Senate are chosen by their respective political party. That is where the real discrimination takes place. Perhaps you think that black people are less ambitious than whites. Perhaps you are mistaken.

You really are 2thick! And pretty damn presumptuous (i can explain that for you if you need me too). To presume that i think blacks are less ambitious is offensive to me and shows a sign of defensiveness from a very insecure man.

If there are 12 percent of black people in each state (for example), they may never have a black representitive because you need 40 percent or more to win a seat. SO just because 12 percent of the population is black doesnt mean that there HAS to be 12 senators or even 1.

Just by being black, or white or hispanic or jewish or muslim, doesnt give you any right to a seat in congress. SOrry to break the news. Of course the question can be asked why do whites almost always vote for whites, but the same question can be asked "why do you blacks almost always vote for blacks?" In the court i work in, there are 8 judges, and 2 are black. Thats 25 percent. iS that too much? should we fire 1 so that we are at 12 percent? Of course not.



You could have went to Harvard Law if you were smarter, worked harder, or had richer parents. Don't blame your failure on black scholarships.

ACtually, a black man with the same grades and LSAT score would have gotten into harvard. Thats a fact. Oh sorry, i know how much you dont like facts.

 

[Balls of Steel]

At the risk of digressing back to the original subject, I have two questions for young Mr. Balls. First, how may scholarships are available to you in total? Second, How many are not available to you based on your race?

It doesnt matter. All that matters is that if I wasnt white, than I would have a much better chance of getting a scholarship. And I would say that atleast 1/3 of the scholarships out there are not available to whites. This is discrimination.

 

[2Thick]

ACtually, a black man with the same grades and LSAT score would have gotten into harvard. Thats a fact. Oh sorry, i know how much you dont like facts.

It doesn't change the fact that you didn't get in because you lacked the necessary marks.

 

[gymtime]

It doesnt matter. All that matters is that if I wasnt white, than I would have a much better chance of getting a scholarship. And I would say that atleast 1/3 of the scholarships out there are not available to whites. This is discrimination.

I agree. It is discrimination. But I'm going for another point here. Do you honestly feel like this discrimination will keep you from getting into the college you want to go to? Do you feel your future will seriously be compromised?

 

[Checkmatebloated]

Suck it up. Since those scholarships are privately donated funds, they can distinguish between races.

So I can refuse sevice to somebody, because my money started my private business?

 

[2Thick]

So I can refuse sevice to somebody, because my money started my private business?

Yes, you can if it is your business...

 

[Jax]

2thick

I didn't have time to read this whole thread, but your senate percentage figures leave me asking a question: aren't senate members simply elected by the voters? Why then must 'institutional discrimination' exist when there is a smaller propertion of blacks in the senate than the general population? Don't they have the same chance to run for office as everyone else? Moreover, doesn't the black population show the smallest voter turnout come election time? These days everyone is on equal footing when it comes to voting/running for office. If you win the votes, you win the position, simple as that.

 

[Checkmatebloated]

1.) 12%

2.) 2 out of 100

That means that 2% of the Senate are black but blacks make up 12% of the national population.

Unless you believe that black people are genetically inferior to white people (which is not the case) then there is some sort of institutional discrimination at play.

That is why some scholarships are only for minorities...to make up for the disparity.

Maybe they(blacks) don't qualify or we did not vote for them. Just because there is 12% blacks in the U.S. does not mean we should have 12% in the work place. It could be more or less. How about we go to 12% in the senate and 12% black in the NFL?

 

[2Thick]

2thick

I didn't have time to read this whole thread, but your senate percentage figures leave me asking a question: aren't senate members simply elected by the voters? Why then must 'institutional discrimination' exist when there is a smaller propertion of blacks in the senate than the general population? Don't they have the same chance to run for office as everyone else? Moreover, doesn't the black population show the smallest voter turnout come election time? These days everyone is on equal footing when it comes to voting/running for office. If you win the votes, you win the position, simple as that.

I answered those questions in the post...

 

[2Thick]

How about we go to 12% in the senate and 12% black in the NFL?

LOL.... You know, you got me there....

 

[Jax]

hahahaha

who the hell said 'cocky' was a verb..

Ever heard: I think i will cocky today (verb)

no

how about: One cocky mofo (adjective)

yes

shit that made me laugh

 

[2Thick]

hahahaha

who the hell said 'cocky' was a verb..

Ever heard: I think i will cocky today (verb)

no

how about: One cocky mofo (adjective)

yes

shit that made me laugh

Did I miss something?

 

[Checkmatebloated]

Yes, you can if it is your business...

Brother you are wrong on this one. If you own a Mcdonald's and somebody comes into your store with Legal Tender you can not refuse service! In some towns/cities in the USA there are ordinaces that allow for No shirt, no shoes, no service type of situations, but you can not refuse sevice in a public arena.

 

[furious]

Someone posted this earlier but predominatly black schools have scholarships for white students only. So it goes both ways.

That was me. Instead of arguing and bitching, I like to find solutions.
Isolate the problem. Form a plan of action. Execute.

I'm sure there are plenty of nationality based scholarships, ones for Irish, Italians, French, Russians, whatever. Discover where your family originated from, you may learn a lot about the rest of the world, too.

Life isn't that hard.

 

[Jax]

yeah 2thick, you did. As mighty Gladius said:

"Cocky" isn't name calling (noun)...it's a verb (action).

 

[Checkmatebloated]

yeah 2thick, you did. As mighty Gladius said:

"Cocky" isn't name calling (noun)...it's a verb (action).

I have had several girls tell me "you are rather cocky" after they saw my pants unzipped. That meaning my cock it big therefore a noun!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[2Thick]

Brother you are wrong on this one. If you own a Mcdonald's and somebody comes into your store with Legal Tender you can not refuse service! In some towns/cities in the USA there are ordinaces that allow for No shirt, no shoes, no service type of situations, but you can not refuse sevice in a public arena.

McDonalds is not a private business. It is a franchise that is subject to rules by the McDonald Corp.

If I own my own restaurant then I can refuse service to whomever I choose.

 

[gymtime]

McDonalds is not a private business. It is a franchise that is subject to rules by the McDonald Corp.

If I own my own restaurant then I can refuse service to whomever I choose.

True, but if you were to refuse service based on race, that would be considered discrimination yes? Just as those who create scholarships available only to certain races are discriminating as well, correct?

 

[Balls of Steel]

I agree. It is discrimination. But I'm going for another point here. Do you honestly feel like this discrimination will keep you from getting into the college you want to go to? Do you feel your future will seriously be compromised?

Yes. We are poor and need all the aid I can get. I dont want to work while I am in college. I want to spend all my free time (which wont be much) with girls.

 

[spongebob]

this thread is 4 pages long and nonthing said as changed the fact that if you deny a person something based on thier skin color it is descrimination. right or wrong, justified or not, it is descrimination.
slice it and dice anyway you want, put your on spin on it, balls of steel was denied a scholarship based on his skin color.

 

[Checkmatebloated]

McDonalds is not a private business. It is a franchise that is subject to rules by the McDonald Corp.

If I own my own restaurant then I can refuse service to whomever I choose.

Sorry bro, my father owned a few Bumpers(sonic like stores), but private owned and if they got U.S. legal tender you can not refuse sevice, unless you have a valid reason(acting out, disruptive.....) and race in not valid.

 

[gymtime]

Yes. We are poor and need all the aid I can get. I dont want to work while I am in college. I want to spend all my free time (which wont be much) with girls.

My God boy there's hope for you yet!!!

I have an idea you're going to do quite well despite this terrible injustice.

 

[Checkmatebloated]

Now private clubs such as the Moose, Elk, and Lions club can select their members and public customers.

 

[Balls of Steel]

It is an injustice. When I get to college I plan on sleeping with every good looking girl I can get my hands on.

 

[2Thick]

Sorry bro, my father owned a few Bumpers(sonic like stores), but private owned and if they got U.S. legal tender you can not refuse sevice, unless you have a valid reason(acting out, disruptive.....) and race in not valid.

I believe that when you have a sign that says that service can be refused for any reason, you can do what you like.

 

[gymnpoppa]

The reasoning on this thread by a few people is incredible. It's a good thing to express your opinion no matter how shallow your thinking is. The scholarship thing, why are so many bitching about that?
1. Not very long ago, blacks, Indians, minorities were not even allowed to go to a school, not allowed to read, not taught to write. That's a lot WORSE than not getting a scholarship because a minority got it. PERIOD. That's an automatic disadvantage. Of course that doesn't exist these days, but it helped to shape the thinking of white people , and other minorities in this country today. If you don't think so, you're full of shit.

2. Minorities were not allowed to vote, until a few years ago. I don't have the year in front of me, but i'm sure those bitching can tell me when it was. This includes women. Another social/economic setback for other races, again, I expect you to dismiss this as insignificant, because you have no idea what it's like to be without any of this, because you've never had to even let it enter your mind. I won't even mention the intimidation voters faced when they did change the laws. Again, there is documented proof of this.

3. Minorities were not allowed to even set foot on golf courses, tennis clubs, country clubs, etc until a few years ago. Another social setback for a group of races already behind the 8 ball in life. Blacks were not allowed to even play quarterback because the sterotype existed they were too dumb to execute and lead an offense.......do you need proof? This is now being struck down.

There is a hell of a difference, created by the past, to keep minorities from advancing in ALL AREAS of life. There are many, many minorities in prison and jail being released after DNA proved they weren't the perps of crimes........
Many are not so lucky.

Lately, there has been a major effort to correct some of the still present efforts to keep minorities from advancing in life. You're complaining about TV companies, etc. Beauty pageants, etc. There have only been a couple of black winners in these affairs, and those are recent. Yet you still fail to see that things are heavily in favor of those who aren't minorities. The opportunities in television do not favor blacks, hispanics, asians, or any other ethnic group. So why is it such an issue when they create their own channels....why bitch when somebody you obviously don't want to see on primetime has a channel dedicated to showing shows that feature minorities in primetime?

The dirty deeds of the past........are far worse than the scholarship hardships you face now. They set the tone for generations to come.
How about somebody kicking you onto an Indian reservation, and your kids, and their kids? Why should American natives be having to distinguish their race on applications?

If you have always operated, and your family tree has lived from a position of power, and advantage, how can you possibly know or understand what' it's like to live from a position of struggle? YOU CAN"T. And because there are some people (white as well as minorities who are making steps to close the gaps in certain areas, you want to yell discrimination. Yet NONE of you will acknowledge that there are factors that have put minorities at a disadvantage. Is there anyone who'll admit that minorities have been put at a disadvantage? I'll be shocked if ANY of those who are BITCHING about discrimination/scholarships/ admit it. Instead there will be cop-out comments like oh, that is the past, or, it shouldn't be a factor, when CLEARLY for most intelligent people there is. My European friends can see this, why not the people in this country? IF my grandparents, weren't allowed to vote, or learn to read, or play tennis, or any of the other things I mentioned earlier, I'd be PISSED too. I'd have an attitude toward those who STILL refuse to admit it. Oppression breeds contempt, for those who continue to practice it, and those who ignore the obvious effects of it. Those who have the stupid assumption that because minorities have rights, and there are programs to level the playing field, that everything is equal.....get a life. You should smell the shit you're shoveling, it stinks. Of course there aren't many minorities in high ranking offices.......just like there wasn't any playing excellent golf a few years ago either. Doesn't mean they're too dumb, or not interested, just means that the opportunities haven't been there. By continuing to deny that there are problems, minorities are organizing and gaining strength to do damage. It would be smarter to work with them, than to constantly bitch and whine like you have faced so much discrimination. YOU can't even begin to compare your minute problems with the generations of people that are affected by the oppressive nature of your ancestors.

And like every other race-related thread, NONE of those who are bitching are even remotely interested in doing a thing to make it equal or level the playing field. Bring on the flames, I'll be here.

 

[spongebob]

gymnpoppa,
i dont think everybody is doubting what has happened in the past is not true, cause it is. i think people are just debating on how to correct it, some people feel that we are already on a level playing field. to be honost it doesn't bother me one bit about who gets scholarships, there are so many ways to get thru college without them. like getting a job. but thats how i would do it. i am curious as to when our society will consider the playing field to be level. at what point do we say ok, minorities have made enough gains, that we dont have to have minority based scholarships.
will we as a society make that decision.
the point i made earlier about balls of steel being discriminated against is true, even if it does seem petty for him to(white person) to complain about it.
we should not judge balls of steel because of his complaining, his emotions may have been hurt just like a minority may be hurt that was discriminated against.
we have not walked in his shoes.

 

[WombRaider]

In order to run for a seat, you have to be chosen by your party to be a candidate. Boom, discrimination!



They pay exactly the same percentage wise. Therefore, they have the same amount of representation.

2Thick,
I concur with some of your propaganda, but this one is bullshit. The income tax paid is a percentage of your income. The higher your income, thehigher the percentage (within the set income tax brackets). Therefore, the more you make, not only is the amount you pay higher, but the percentage increases as well. Example: someone making $20K/yr may be in the 15% tax bracket (don't know the bracket, but these #'s are for discussion's sake). The annual tax would be $3K. Based on this, someone making $100K/yr would pay $15K. But no, the bigger earner is tax let's say 15% on the first $20K, then 25% on the $ between $20K and $75K, then at 35% on the money between $75K and $100K. SO instead of paying $15,000 in income tax, the larger earner pays $24,250. If dollars = representation, then the larger earner would have 1.6 votes. Why should the larger earner be penalized for success? Why do we not have a flat tax?

 

[gymnpoppa]

gymnpoppa,
i dont think everybody is doubting what has happened in the past is not true, cause it is. i think people are just debating on how to correct it, some people feel that we are already on a level playing field. to be honost it doesn't bother me one bit about who gets scholarships, there are so many ways to get thru college without them. like getting a job. but thats how i would do it. i am curious as to when our society will consider the playing field to be level. at what point do we say ok, minorities have made enough gains, that we dont have to have minority based scholarships.
will we as a society make that decision.
the point i made earlier about balls of steel being discriminated against is true, even if it does seem petty for him to(white person) to complain about it.
we should not judge balls of steel because of his complaining, his emotions may have been hurt just like a minority may be hurt that was discriminated against.
we have not walked in his shoes.

You're right, I have not walked in his shoes, nor have I walked in the shoes of most of those discriminated. Nor am I thinking that people are doubting the past. My problem is they don't consider the injustices of the past as a hindrance for the lack of opportunity. Granted there are some, a few who break thru and become successful people, but for the majority of those oppressed (take a look at any country with a history of oppressive measures, and you'll see the same problems), have no spirit, no dream to succeed. It has been crushed and suppressed to the point that it may not be part of the mindset. And for those who think we are already on a level playing field you have got to be kidding. I tell you what, close the borders, keep our money in this country, build state of the art tennis, private schools, highly qualified teachers, golf, swimming facilities in all of the disadvantaged areas of the country. Give all minorities, Indians, etc the exact same opportunities as have been given to those who have had these for YEARS. I guarantee you will see no need for minority scholarships, or AA. Which by the way, I don't think are necessary either. I'm not judging S Balls, or saying he wasn't discriminated against. I think he is receiving minute transgressions when compared with what has happened to the people who he's bitching about receiving too many "gifts". That's not a judgement, that's an opinion.....just like a lot of other posts on this board. The excuse that people who haven't been in a depressed situation use is that it can NEVER be equal. That's a unwilling attitude right there. To a certain point, it won't. That doesn't mean that opportunities shouldn't exist, for those who have been shut out. The opportunities should exist for ALL Americans, regardless of race.

Now, since you're aware of what has happened, and aware of how ALL minorities live these days, when would you consider minorities to be on a level playing field? This includes native Americans as well. I have heard no comments about the RUDE treatment of the native Americans driven from their land to reservations by who? Interested to hear your justifications for those injustices as well. Also do you think that the past has an effect on the present? I'll be around for your comments later.....

 

[spongebob]

Now, since you're aware of what has happened, and aware of how ALL minorities live these days, when would you consider minorities to be on a level playing field? This includes native Americans as well. I have heard no comments about the RUDE treatment of the native Americans driven from their land to reservations by who? Interested to hear your justifications for those injustices as well. Also do you think that the past has an effect on the present? I'll be around for your comments later.....

i have edited your first paragragh out simply because i agree with it. i have always contemplated the problems in the black community, not so much as for my knowledge of the situation, but out of my compassion. i grew up with alot of them in my neighborhood. it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that thier problems stem from past oppression.

IMO the native americans may never be on a level playing field because that situation is not taken as serious as it should be. people just dont identify with thier cause.
as far as the black community, it could take another 50 to 75 years before they are on a level playing field. racism will see to that.
when you use the word "justification" i hear a little tension in your voice, please dont take my post as me picking sides, i have just tried to point out the things that people are saying as i see them. i tried not to offer to much of my opinion because i am still forming it. thats what i am doing in my post is in a round about way asking questions. and i try to use the word "we" so as not to point fingers, as i used it to say "we should not judge balls"
i must go now, i just got home from nightshift. need sleep
peace.

 

[gymnpoppa]

i have edited your first paragragh out simply because i agree with it. i have always contemplated the problems in the black community, not so much as for my knowledge of the situation, but out of my compassion. i grew up with alot of them in my neighborhood. it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that thier problems stem from past oppression.

IMO the native americans may never be on a level playing field because that situation is not taken as serious as it should be. people just dont identify with thier cause.
as far as the black community, it could take another 50 to 75 years before they are on a level playing field. racism will see to that.
when you use the word "justification" i hear a little tension in your voice, please dont take my post as me picking sides, i have just tried to point out the things that people are saying as i see them. i tried not to offer to much of my opinion because i am still forming it. thats what i am doing in my post is in a round about way asking questions. and i try to use the word "we" so as not to point fingers, as i used it to say "we should not judge balls"
i must go now, i just got home from nightshift. need sleep
peace.

I got your message about sleeping, but just wanted you to know that there is no tension in my voice. I understand where you're coming from, you want answers as I do. And some accountability.......later bro.

 

[mrbill]

To get into Law School you have to take the bar Exam...right?

just so you know...you take the bar exam after you graduate law school, not in order to get into law school

 

[Daren The Great]

In my opinion I think most people are racist and dont even know it.Just an example I had a talk with a neighbor about some guy that he new,He tells me yeah that guy is a cool black guy and that he liked to talk with him all the time,but when I asked him about the same guy(that he supposively liked so much)to have dinner at your house and he said No I dont think I would ever invite him to dinner! I asked why not and he said cause im white and he's black and that is as far as it goes! What I am trying to say is that this black guy is suppose to be a friend to this man but with a remark like that,What do you think? Friend or Foe

 

[gymnpoppa]

In my opinion I think most people are racist and dont even know it.Just an example I had a talk with a neighbor about some guy that he new,He tells me yeah that guy is a cool black guy and that he liked to talk with him all the time,but when I asked him about the same guy(that he supposively liked so much)to have dinner at your house and he said No I dont think I would ever invite him to dinner! I asked why not and he said cause im white and he's black and that is as far as it goes! What I am trying to say is that this black guy is suppose to be a friend to this man but with a remark like that,What do you think? Friend or Foe

A TRUE friend is welcome at anytime........it's that simple. He's an acquaintance.

 

[DonkeyPunch]

I agree with Spongebob, that part of the problem lies with our grouping people according to race. "People are people..."

I also agree that any type of discrimination, whether it be for the benefit of blacks, white, purples, whatever, is racism.

2Thick...you are wrong...the rich do NOT pay the same percentage-wise...they pay a shit-load more. I've seen my real income recently drop, because I marginally moved into a higher tax bracket...hence higher percentage. Also, the party typically nominates the person who does better in the primary...I don't see how that's discrimination.

I was one of those who was too poor to pay for college, yet my parents made too much to file for financial aid ($70K a year, total, in LA is not enough to pay for your kids' college). I'm not going to piss and moan about how this fucked me, because my family was resourceful enough to find alternatives. However, it did irritate me that I was ineligible for some scholarships that appeared tailor-made for my goals, simply because of the color of my skin. I realize that racism is still in existence, but I believe it to be a realitvely insignificant and impotent portion of our society. I find all kinds of prejudicial treatment to be distasteful and against the very tenents upon which this nation was founded.

 

[2Thick]

I realize that racism is still in existence, but I believe it to be a realitvely insignificant and impotent portion of our society.

You must be white...

 

[gymtime]

In my opinion I think most people are racist and dont even know it.....

I believe that we are all prejudiced, not necessarily racist, to some extent. We all have preconceived notions about other races, accurate or inaccurate. I believe that is human nature.

I think the idea of completely eliminating prejudice is a fool's errand. It will always be there. I don't think we'll get anywhere until we admit that to ourselves.