i started the toco-8 about a week ago w/ derma and phyto-test. this is more for a bridge than anything as ive been on for quite awhile. the thing about the toco is it seems to be part more of a detoxifying product to help pct than anything. correct me if i am wrong as i forgot the reason why i got it w/ the other products other than it was reccomended as part of a pct regime. i dont think you will notice anything dramatic right off other than i think it enhances the effectiveness of the other products. the only thing i know for sure is the phyto-test definetaly gives me an edge in the gym and seems to make me ugly as hell after i take it. not sure if its the horrific taste or if its a boost in test. makes me feel like im on halo's sometimes. cant you guys put this stuff in a gel cap or something and charge a little more ? i know id pay for it as i just took a dose and after eating breakfast and drinking to much coffee to get rid of the taste i can still taste its nastiness. as for the toco, my wife is in perimenopause and im gonna have her try the stuff as vitimin e is reccomended as part of her diet to combat her shift in hormones. and i know vitimin e off the shelf is pretty much bunk and the vitimin e her dr is reccomending is way more expensive than the toco and im sure the toco is a better quality product. if im off base with having my wife use the toco as a vitimin e product let me know please.