To the Mods...TJ related threads

[Juice Authority]

I read a thread ealier today where a newbie asked for advice on where he should go to buy gear while in TJ. The poor guy got flamed pretty hard for asking for I thought to be a legit question. Vet stores and pharmacies that sell gear in TJ are legitimate businesses. I don't personally see how that is source posting or source requesting. I have also noticed many threads here where locations on where to buy gear in Mexico are openly discussed. I think it would be helpful for our newer members to know whether or not discussing this is against board policy. There doesn't seem to be a hard and fast formula applied equally to these types of questions. Just a suggestion...

Juice

 

[Citruscide]

Interesting... my main concern with asking for the hotspots are ... that... well.. hotspots don't stay hot, if everyone and their grandmother knows about them... they turn rapidly into TRAPS.

While I don't think there is an enormous federal investigation on EF... I do think it is monitored... so there wouldn't be any reason to give out any information freely...

Suggestions as to relatively safer cities... or where NOT to go... I can see that...

C-ditty

 

[Juice Authority]

Interesting... my main concern with asking for the hotspots are ... that... well.. hotspots don't stay hot, if everyone and their grandmother knows about them... they turn rapidly into TRAPS.

While I don't think there is an enormous federal investigation on EF... I do think it is monitored... so there wouldn't be any reason to give out any information freely...

Suggestions as to relatively safer cities... or where NOT to go... I can see that...

C-ditty

Good point. That's completely understandable.

 

[deify]

I agree with ditty... let's keep 'em hush hush, and our lil' secret. (Although with a little research it's pretty easy)

 

[Riker29]

Plus, lets be real here ....

What is really being asked is how to guys go across the border with the intent to purchase items which they cannot purchase in the US, and then bring it back.

Be real, THAT is what the are planning on doing, and providing details of how to do that, even just the part of buying them while across, is conspiracy basically.

Plus the loudmouth assholes who tell where the good vets and pharms are have messed many of these up for many bros.


Lets say that guys who live near TJ know where to go, how to handle stuff, what vets to buy from.

Then some dickhead goes and asks about this, and then some other asshole, in an attempt to look cool, as if he is "in the know" posts all of this info.

What happens? Every idiot within 5000 miles now pounces on that granero.

Not a problem? Well, TJ cops, the Federales, and the border patrol are not stupid. They see this. Cab drivers know that if they pop dudes they can get paid off. The places end up being watched.

Imagine walking into a granero, a group of 3 guys, dressed in a certain way. Then imagine the border patrol and/or the Federales being told "hey look for a group of 3 guys dressed like this ....".

And people start getting harassed, busted, or roughed up by the feds.

All because some dickhead wanted to seem like he was “cool" and had "inside info".

Best way to handle this ,...... we never talk about how to ;get” anything. Period.

After all, its all hypothetical anyway.

 

[bbkingpin]

The only graneros I know of in TJ I get off the sites of the vet manufacturers. I presume one would take the addresses with them into TJ. I don't think the names of the graneros are a secret. This guy just doesn't know where else to find them. The things that should not be discussed on the board is TIPS on smuggling. If someone is really that creative, why would they divulge their secrets? Also, the next time I go to TJ, I'm bringing 21 USC § 956 and 21 CFR 1301.26, both of which I read about on here(EF) at
http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/printthread.php?s=a570133a9fle2a7cda93f3476e8b3 so that I can bring back up to 50 dosage units ...
I will copy and paste the document. This may not apply to vet meds. But I would rather buy those domestic. Even though I am less than 2 hours from the border, it is not worth the drive, gas, waiting in line to return, and risk of getting caught. I'll pay an extra $50. Makes more sense.

 

[bbkingpin]

21 USCS § 956
UNITED STATES CODE SERVICE
*** CURRENT THROUGH P.L. 108-6 APPROVED 2/14/03 ***
TITLE 21. FOOD AND DRUGS
CHAPTER 13. DRUG ABUSE PREVENTION AND CONTROL
IMPORT AND EXPORT

21 USCS § 956 (2003)
§ 956. Exemption authority

(a) Individual possessing controlled substance.
(1) Subject to paragraph (2), the Attorney General may by regulation exempt from sections 1002(a) and (b), 1003, 1004, and 1005 [21 USCS §§ 952(a), (b), 953-955] any individual who has a controlled substance (except a substance in schedule I) in his possession for his personal medical use, or for administration to any animal accompanying him, if he lawfully obtained such substance and he makes such declaration (or gives such other notification) as the Attorney General may by regulation require.
(2) Notwithstanding any exemption under paragraph (1), a United States resident who enters the United States through an international land border with a controlled substance (except a substance in schedule I) for which the individual does not possess a valid prescription issued by a practitioner (as defined in section 102 of the Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 802)) in accordance with applicable Federal and State law (or documentation that verifies the issuance of such a prescription to that individual) may not import the controlled substance into the United States in an amount that exceeds 50 dosage units of the controlled substance.

(b) Compound, mixture, or preparation. The Attorney General may by regulation except any compound, mixture, or preparation containing any depressant or stimulant substance listed in paragraph (a) or (b) of schedule III or in schedule IV or V from the application of all or any part of this title if (1) the compound, mixture, or preparation contains one or more active medicinal ingredients not having a depressant or stimulant effect on the central nervous system, and (2) such ingredients are included therein in such combinations, quantity, proportion, or concentration as to vitiate the potential for abuse of the substances which do have a depressant or stimulant effect on the central nervous system.

HISTORY:
(Oct. 27, 1970, P.L. 91-513, Title III, Part A, § 1006, 84 Stat. 1288; Oct. 21, 1998, P.L. 105-277, Div C, Title VIII, Subtitle G, § 872(a), 112 Stat. 2681-707; Nov. 10, 1998, P.L. 105-357, § 2(a), 112 Stat. 3271.)

HISTORY; ANCILLARY LAWS AND DIRECTIVES

References in text:
Schedules I, III, IV, and V, referred to in this section, are contained in 21 USCS § 812(c).
"This title", referred to in this section, is Title III of Act Oct. 27, 1970, P.L. 91-513, 84 Stat. 1285, which appears generally as 21 USCS §§ 951 et seq. For full classification of such Title, consult USCS Tables volumes.

Effective date of section:
This section became effective on enactment, pursuant to § 1105(b) of Act Oct. 27, 1970, P.L. 91-513, which appears as 21 USCS § 951 note.

Amendments:
1998. Act Oct. 21, 1998, in subsec. (a), substituted "(1) Subject to paragraph (2), the Attorney General" for "The Attorney General", and added para. (2).
Act Nov. 10, 1998 purported to make amendments identical to those made by Act Oct. 21, 1998.

Other provisions:
Subsec. (a)(2) as Federal minimum requirement; jurisdiction of Secretary of Health and Human Services. Act Oct. 21, 1998, P.L. 105-277, Div C, Title VIII, Subtitle G, § 872(b), (c), 112 Stat. 2681-707, provide:
"(b) Federal minimum requirement. Section 1006(a)(2) of the Controlled Substances Import and Export Act [21 USCS § 956(a)(2)], as added by subsection (a), is a minimum Federal requirement and shall not be construed to limit a State from imposing any additional requirement.
"(c) Extent. The amendment made by subsection (a) [amending subsec. (a) of this section] shall not be construed to affect the jurisdiction of the Secretary of Health and Human Services under the Federal Food, Drug and Cosmetic Act (21 U.S.C. 301 et seq.).".
Similar provisions appeared in Act Nov. 10, 1998, P.L. 105-357, § 2(b), (c), 112 Stat. 3271, which Act purported to make amendments identical to those made by Act Oct. 21, 1998.

NOTES:

CODE OF FEDERAL REGULATIONS
United States Customs Service, Department of the Treasury--Inspection, search, and seizure, 19 CFR Part 162.

CROSS REFERENCES
This section is referred to in 21 USCS § 957.

21 CFR 1301.26
*** THIS SECTION IS CURRENT THROUGH THE MARCH 14, 2003 ISSUE OF ***
*** THE FEDERAL REGISTER ***
TITLE 21 -- FOOD AND DRUGS
CHAPTER II -- DRUG ENFORCEMENT ADMINISTRATION, DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE
PART 1301 -- REGISTRATION OF MANUFACTURERS, DISTRIBUTORS, AND DISPENSERS OF CONTROLLED SUBSTANCES
EXCEPTIONS TO REGISTRATION AND FEES
21 CFR 1301.26
§ 1301.26 Exemptions from import or export requirements for personal medical use.


Any individual who has in his/her possession a controlled substance listed in schedules II, III, IV, or V, which he/she has lawfully obtained for his/her personal medical use, or for administration to an animal accompanying him/her, may enter or depart the United States with such substance notwithstanding sections 1002-1005 of the Act (21 U.S.C. 952-955), providing the following conditions are met:

(a) The controlled substance is in the original container in which it was dispensed to the individual; and

(b) The individual makes a declaration to an appropriate official of the U.S. Customs Service stating:

(1) That the controlled substance is possessed for his/her personal use, or for an animal accompanying him/her; and

(2) The trade or chemical name and the symbol designating the schedule of the controlled substance if it appears on the container label, or, if such name does not appear on the label, the name and address of the pharmacy or practitioner who dispensed the substance and the prescription number, if any; and

(c) The importation of the controlled substance for personal medical use is authorized or permitted under other Federal laws and state law.

HISTORY:
[36 FR 7778, Apr. 24, 1971. Redesignated at 38 FR 26609, Sept. 24, 1973, and amended at 46 FR 28841, May 29, 1981; 51 FR 5319, Feb. 13, 1986; 62 FR 13938, 13952, March 24, 1997]

NOTES:
[EFFECTIVE DATE NOTE: 62 FR 13938, 13952, March 24, 1997, revised this section, effective March 28, 1997.]
NOTES APPLICABLE TO ENTIRE TITLE:
Cross References: Food Safety and Inspection Services, Department of Agriculture: See Meat and Poultry Inspection, 9 CFR CHAPTER III.
Federal Trade Commission: See Commercial Practices, 16 CFR chapter I.
U.S. Customs Service, Department of the Treasury: See Customs Duties, 19 CFR chapter I.
Internal Revenue Service, Department of the Treasury: See Internal Revenue, 26 CFR chapter I.
Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms, Department of the Treasury: See Alcohol, Tobacco Production and Firearms, 27 CFR chapter I.

 

[Juice Authority]

DO NOT fricking post this shit. I'll zap it. Refer to the above posts.

The reason I posted this thread was because I don't think there has been a clear and precise message regarding the discussion of vet stores and pharmacies in Mexico and in other countries where gear is legal to buy. I completely agree with C- ditty's position on this. If discussing the whereabouts of these places is against board policy then that needs to be made clear.

 

[bumpo]

you guys worry to much if some dude wants to risk his ass to buy gear in TJ we might aswell help him find a place where he isn't going to get ripped off.

bumpo

http://www.reala-a.com/Forum/phpBB2/

 

[Riker29]

you guys worry to much if some dude wants to risk his ass to buy gear in TJ we might aswell help him find a place where he isn't going to get ripped off.

bumpo

Well, thats SOUNDS good, IF the stupidity of that guy would only effect that one guy. Like if someone is a dumb ass, and his dumb ways only effect him, and increase HIS risks and hassles - no big deal - right?

That's not the way the real world works.

The sad fact is that a bunch of idiots arriving into TJ and crossing without being cool ruin it for EVERYONE. And then even responsible guys end up with a lot of heat.

I know guys that used to go to a very cool place in TJ and it was a good profile, low key, no hassle. Then a few kids find out, and want to play the "look at me ain't I cool - I have info" game. So these kids blab about all of this, including details about one cool granero in particular.

Now even the experienced cool guys that have played the game for a while get hassled. The place is watched now by TJ cops. Cab drivers keep an eye out, knowing that can make a few bucks if some guys are roughed up and shaken down for some cash.

And please spare me the "oh but see, in Mexico, I happen to know the legal status of these things, and i can tell you ....."

LOL, Please. Get real.

When some black SUV with tinted windows pulls up, and your ass gets thrown in there, and now 4 guys in uniform are shaking you down for cash or saying they are gonna haul your ass away - I want to SEE some of you guys start to act like the Mexican Johnny Cochran and start spouting off about how well YOU know Mexican law. See how far that gets you.

This board is great.

Its best to err on the side of caution. You mods who delete threads with a bit TOO much detail - just keep righ on doing it!

Any guy who is cool, patient, and hangs in here for a while, will find a way to get the info they need.

If you are some kid who pops in here for a week, has 27 posts, and wants to whine because you cant get the info you want even though you spent a whole HOUR looking for it, then boo hoo. Go elsewhere.