to all pathetic pacifists

[primetime21]

I Don’t Understand
By Bill O'Reilly
Imagine you are a 4-year-old girl. On Sept. 11 you kiss your daddy goodbye in the morning and wave as he leaves for work. That evening you see your mother crying, desperately watching television. You wait for daddy to come home as he always does. Except this night, and every night thereafter, he does not come home.

Adults say many things to you, but you really don't understand what happened to your daddy. You want to understand, but you can't. So you lose yourself in a world of play -- the only escape little kids have when tragedy taps them on the shoulder.

That is what the murderous attack on America was about -- that 4-year-old girl and the thousands of other little kids in her situation. Those children can't possibly understand the evil that altered their lives forever. And we should protect them from that evil. All Americans should want the evil stamped out forever.

But not all of us do. Some of us want to understand the terrorists who attacked us. At California State University, a professor was quoted as saying: "We should try to understand why there are people in the world that hate the United States." The attacks, the professor said, were an assault on the forces of "globalization."

That kind of foolish thinking is creeping into the national discourse now that the shock of the attacks is wearing off. But like the 4-year-old girl, I don't understand the point. Who cares why the terrorists did what they did? Who cares why some people hate America? It is simply not important to explore the motives of brutal killers unless you're doing a psychology thesis or something similar.

Should I try to understand why Jeffrey Dahmer slaughtered people? Why Hitler hated the Jews? Why Mao murdered millions in China? Am I supposed to waste my time trying to ascertain the motives of monsters?

That would be a colossal mistake. Do you think General George Patton tried to understand the Germans he captured? No, he killed or imprisoned them without a second thought. He did that because they were fighting for a brutal regime. The general could not have cared less that Germany got hosed in the peace agreement after World War I.

America must now reject and scorn the voices of the appeasers and excusers. We owe the terrorists nothing but death and destruction. They have forfeited any kind of due process or consideration by attacking innocent civilians in order to please their god, who approves of mass murder.

The federal government of the United States is in place to protect the citizenry. That is its primary function. The feds let us down by failing to take national security seriously enough. Now our government must act aggressively to punish those who attacked us and discourage the maniacs who would do it again. Understanding the terrorists is only necessary in order to catch them. You can't persuade evil. You can't reason with fanatics.

I get frustrated with Americans who see the world through their own selfish prism. The Holocaust would not have happened if the nations of Europe had recognized the evil dripping from Hitler's every pore. But they wanted to understand the Third Reich, to negotiate with it in the hope of attaining peace.

It is no different today. There is an incredible evil in this world, and it is not capitalism or a foreign policy that tilts toward Israel or a failure to recognize global warming. No this evil kills women and children in the name of God, and it rejects all humane behavior. This evil is easily understood if one looks at the face of the 4-year-old girl waiting for her father to finally come home. And that's the kind of understanding America needs right now.

 

[2Thick]

This guy is using emotion to try to sway people's opinion.

Some people might call that propaganda.

 

[Frackal]

The purpose for understanding is to prevent such acts from occuring again.

 

[Frackal]

Also, I do support the destruction of bin laden and friends, but I don't think that this "grab your sword and charge into battle" mentality is going to accomplish the most important thing, which is not revenge, but prevention of further American deaths.

What I don't understand is why most of you are stupid enough to believe the reason that Bush gave for these attacks. That they want to 'stamp out the beacon of freedom' or whatever bullshit reason was spouted.

 

[danielson]

agreement for the last 3 posts

but i do think bin laden and his friends need to be removed. before any miliary action is taken i think the proof should be made public

 

[chesty]

I don't need to understand them, they need to die period, end of story. Every single one of them. They are a cess pool of bad breeding and have distorted the very faith that they purport to support.

He is not using emotionalism, it is not propaganda. It is fact, that little girl and thousands like her will never see her father/mother or family again. For that they must die and die they will.

I believe in America, her ideas and its people. If I have to, I will quit my job and go there of my own free will and fight those genetically defective shit suckers.

Anyone who would feel it necessry to understand them or where they are coming from, go over there. Live with them. See how they treat women with genital mutilation, see how the treat children, breeding them to hate all people.

As an old tv show once stated about the crew of the Enterprise being an infestation that needed to be eradicated so too do the people and supporters of those that would do this to America.

 

[primetime21]

Maybe its the alcohol talking, but people that want to understand the problem are out of their minds. Terrorists are not like you and me. They do not value life. If it wasnt for Israel and the Gulf war they would find another reason to hate and kill. The only way to deal with them is with force. If you dont PUNISH them, they will continue. If you arrest them. There followers will realize "hey they wont kill us, lets do it again." We arent dealing with a first time drug dealer who needs to be rehabilitated. We are dealing with MASS MURDERERS. These people arent like you. And if they are, you have serious problems.

SOmoene said that we should understand to prevent it from happening again. THat is the dumbest comment yet. Let me explain why. If we adjust our policies based on these actions, it will only encourage others to do the same. BUt i am sure in your minds you actually think you are right. Thank god those with the power dont think like you.

 

[thefantom1]

This guy is using emotion to try to sway people's opinion.

Some people might call that propaganda.

Ohhhh..... I do recall you and I having a heated "discussion" about this topic before............. I'm with chesty on this one.......

 

[roidog420]

This guy is using emotion to try to sway people's opinion.

Some people might call that propaganda.

Ya really! And to the dude who started this thread...If you want to make a point that you believe others may want to hear, you should say what YOU think about it and not what Bill O'Reilly beat into your head imo. I cant stand that piece of shit personally. A quick question: Why the fuck is he SO OBSESSED with putting the Army on the Mexican border?? Everyone & their fucking mom knows that the real "civ" is the Canadian border, and THAT is where most of the terrorist entered. Could it be that O'Reilly just plain old hates Mexicans? I mean he is a racist asshole you know. Dont believe me?? Here is a quote from him from last weeks show in an interview he was doing with Al Sharpton: O'Reilly---"Reverend Sharpton, you are against racial profiling and so am I right? But I got to tell you, if I see 5 black guys standing on the streetcorner passing something around, I search them all if Im a cop". UH DICKHEAD BILL---Isnt that racial profiling????? I mean you put 5 white kids in the same environment, you would drive right passed them. I sometimes wonder if O'Reilly even has the SLIGHTEST FUCKING CLUE as to what it is hes speaking of. I mean the guy doesn't even know what racial profiling is, but he's gonna sit there and tell Al Sharpton that he is wrong about it. I think that Al(who Im no fan of)knows a little about the subject & that Bill should have read up a little more before going out there and making himself look stupid(that is to the people who actually can see through his loud-mouth persona to see that he really IS stupid).

 

[spongebob]

have you ever been at a bar and your talking to a purty girl and everything seems to be going ok and then her ex-bf comes up and starts mouthing off to you and trys to hit you. do you run or try to "understand" him.
this is just my simpleton view.

 

[thefantom1]

have you ever been at a bar and your talking to a purty girl and everything seems to be going ok and then her ex-bf comes up and starts mouthing off to you and trys to hit you. do you run or try to "understand" him.
this is just my simpleton view.

Mr. SquarePants........... good point my friend.......

 

[Frackal]

SOmoene said that we should understand to prevent it from happening again. THat is the dumbest comment yet. Let me explain why. If we adjust our policies based on these actions, it will only encourage others to do the same. BUt i am sure in your minds you actually think you are right. Thank god those with the power dont think like you.

Hmmm... and I am sure in your liquor-soaked mind you actually think you are right.

It is always easier to believe that they are mindless barbarians, driven by nothing other than to maim and kill.

Unfortunately, it is seldom that simple. You two imply that there is some type of genetic defect in these people that lead them to do these things. That is patently ridiculous. By that logic, people like the Nazis or the Christian Crusaders of old are also genetically defective, seeing how they committed some of the most atrocious acts of genocide, rape and slaughter in the history of mankind.

Most of us good ole white boys share some of the same ethnic genes as Adolph Hitler, Joseph Stalin, and other infamous men of that nature.

The point I am trying to make, is that all people, of all races, creeds, religions and backgrounds commit gross atrocities, but that does not make them genetically defective as a people.

Violence begets violence, and endless cycle that has plagued the UK for decades, because no one is willing to REALLY 'work things out.'

Yes, I agree that there is no choice but to exterminate these human cockroaches that killed our men, women, and our children.

However, if some effort is not made to understand and discover what causes a person to hate so strongly, that they would be willing to die just to kill innocents of our own, then the violence will never stop.

In my opinion, too many people on this board are armchair war-mongers, waiting and drooling at the thought of seeing bombs explode and blood flow. (this does not include chesty btw, a veteran)

I however am more concerned with the prevention of future attacks than the punitive strikes for this one. And the fact that I did not know anyone personally who died at the WTC makes me all that much more objective.

I can't wait for Bin Laden's head on a plate, (if he even was responsible), but I care far more for my safety, and that of my sister, mom, dad, girlfriend, etc...

Also, let me add that most of you, probably all of you, including myself haven't an inkling of half of WTF is going on, and we are certainly being hit with propaganda from all sides now, like these documentaries on the barbarian-like customs of the arab people.

You know, I bet if some afganistanians came over here to make a biased documentary, they might find some pretty barbaric things themselves...hell, in this country, our prisons which incarcerate more people than any other country in the world, are privatized, we have executed more juveniles than every other country in the world COMBINED since the 90's, we incarcerate for victimless crimes, our students slaughter other students with automatic weapons.

Point is this. These people are human beings just like us. No matter how badly some of you wish to deny it, they are. The goal of this latest War On _____, should be to eliminate the REASON, not just fan the flames with more fire.

"Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger."

-Herman Goerring, Nuremberg Trials

"Our government has kept us in a perpertual state of fear - kept us in a continuous stampede of patriotic fervor - with the cry of grave national emergency. Always there has been some terrible evil at home, or some monstorous foreign power that was going to gobble us up if we did not rally blindly behind it..."

-General Douglas McArthur, 1957

 

[Frackal]

have you ever been at a bar and your talking to a purty girl and everything seems to be going ok and then her ex-bf comes up and starts mouthing off to you and trys to hit you. do you run or try to "understand" him.
this is just my simpleton view.

That was a rather clever and humorous point, but all of you are missing mine.

I am not some hippie shit who wants to pass around the peace pipe and talk about our feeling with these cocksuckers.

I nor you really know the true motivations for what happened on 9/11.

Maybe it was the way Clinton's cruise missles strayed off course and killed children in their sleep? Maybe it was this, maybe it was that, probably was a whole lot of things.

Maybe if more people had been aware and voiced their outrage at Ruby Ridge, Waco, and in turn, Oklahoma City would not have happened.

For the last time, I am not saying we should not attack and fucking decimate this al-qaeda shit.

Hopefully that will be enough, but I fear it won't, that's all. Are most of you really concerned with prevention, or more concerned with revenge and a good lightshow on CNN?

 

[spongebob]

That was a rather clever and humorous point, but all of you are missing mine.

I am not some hippie shit who wants to pass around the peace pipe and talk about our feeling with these cocksuckers.

I nor you really know the true motivations for what happened on 9/11.

Maybe it was the way Clinton's cruise missles strayed off course and killed children in their sleep? Maybe it was this, maybe it was that, probably was a whole lot of things.

Maybe if more people had been aware and voiced their outrage at Ruby Ridge, Waco, and in turn, Oklahoma City would not have happened.

For the last time, I am not saying we should not attack and fucking decimate this al-qaeda shit.

Hopefully that will be enough, but I fear it won't, that's all. Are most of you really concerned with prevention, or more concerned with revenge and a good lightshow on CNN?

hey i understand what your saying and agree with most of it.
to answer my own question: i would give peace a chance with that guy in the bar, but just one chance . i am a peaceful person and am saddened at any type of human suffering even if i have inflicted it on someone who may deserve it. but i am a balanced person and believe that i must respond with violence if neccesary.

 

[primetime21]

Here is a quote from him from last weeks show in an interview he was doing with Al Sharpton: O'Reilly---"Reverend Sharpton, you are against racial profiling and so am I right? But I got to tell you, if I see 5 black guys standing on the streetcorner passing something around, I search them all if Im a cop". UH DICKHEAD BILL---Isnt that racial profiling????? I mean you put 5 white kids in the same environment, you would drive right passed them. .

Roiddog, perhaps you have the attention span of a rat. Because 2 seconds later the good reverand mentioned that to him and he said he would do the exact same thing with the white kids. Maybe if i hadnt stumbled upon that episode this week you would get away with "spinning" what happened. Nice try though.

 

[primetime21]

I am not some hippie shit who wants to pass around the peace pipe and talk about our feeling with these cocksuckers.

And you seem to miss the point of many of on the board. No one is saying that we should indiscriminantly bomb the middle east without careful aforethought. And no one claims that even destroying bin-ladin and his crew will end terrorism.

However, right now that is our only option. There are thousands of terrorists. With varying agendas. If we "understood" all of their missions it would accomplish nothing. Some want us to take all our soldiers out of the middle east. Others want israel abolished. Others want the US to stop giving aid to certain countries and governments. Others (american terrorists) want the government to be less intrusive. etc.... So IF, and that is a big IF, If we do understand terrorists what will that accomplish? Nothing.

I doubt the US government doesnt "understand" these guys already. We arent dealing with MOntanas City COuncil here. We are dealing foreign policy experts. They already know what makes bin-ladin tick. TO think otherwise is shortchanging our government.

 

[ojsucks]

Youpeople need to think for yourself and stop listening to highly paid BS artists.

We keep talking about this new "War". What war? Were not doing shit right now and probably wont for a long time. All that will happen is a lot of tough talk until someone figures out how we should respond.

 

[cm3504jm]

And Clinton bombed Kosovo. Killed civilians.

What are we to understand about that?

 

[rushx79]

That was a rather clever and humorous point, but all of you are missing mine.

I am not some hippie shit who wants to pass around the peace pipe and talk about our feeling with these cocksuckers.

I nor you really know the true motivations for what happened on 9/11.

Maybe it was the way Clinton's cruise missles strayed off course and killed children in their sleep? Maybe it was this, maybe it was that, probably was a whole lot of things.

Maybe if more people had been aware and voiced their outrage at Ruby Ridge, Waco, and in turn, Oklahoma City would not have happened.

For the last time, I am not saying we should not attack and fucking decimate this al-qaeda shit.

Hopefully that will be enough, but I fear it won't, that's all. Are most of you really concerned with prevention, or more concerned with revenge and a good lightshow on CNN?

so you say you dont believe u.s. propaganda, but you believe propaganda that it wasnt a factory and instead was a place where children were sleeping? even if that is true, they have been hijacking planes and blowing themselves up for a long time. they really do hate our ways and think we are "the great white satan." so what if we do things like promote democracy in oppressed countries and protect our business interests, what is good for america is usually good for the rest of the free world.

 

[Weapon X]

"The protesters had tense confrontations with counterprotesters, especially after a group of masked demonstrators burned a flag, but the long afternoon of anti-war speeches and shouts was largely peaceful.

Angry, black-clad anarchists and gray-bearded hippies marched, as did the possessors of earnest young faces with multiple piercings, and at least one organizer making calls on a Hello Kitty cellphone. "

[...]

"They carried a forest of placards: "An Eye for an Eye Blinds Everyone," "Fighting for Peace is Like Making Love for Virginity." The sign carried by Julie Kraisler, 17, a high school student from Philadelphia, read, "I'm too Sexy for this War."

"Even with this serious issue, I thought we needed some laughter. I wanted to put a smile on some faces," she said. "But I agree with a lot of the other signs. America is the terrorist."


http://www.accessatlanta.com/ajc/epaper/editions/today/news_b36b1b26f2a8f1e210a2.html

 

[roidog420]

Roiddog, perhaps you have the attention span of a rat. Because 2 seconds later the good reverand mentioned that to him and he said he would do the exact same thing with the white kids. Maybe if i hadnt stumbled upon that episode this week you would get away with "spinning" what happened. Nice try though.

I know he SAID that he would do the exact same thing to the white kids man. He wouldnt though, just like the cops say that they would stop the white kids---but dont. And I'm sorry that I had the absolute audacity to insult your hero Bill Oreilly pal. I mean without him, there wouldn't be anyone to tell guys like you(who obviously cant generate any thoughts of their own)how to friggin think now would there?

 

[Frackal]

so you say you dont believe u.s. propaganda, but you believe propaganda that it wasnt a factory and instead was a place where children were sleeping? even if that is true, they have been hijacking planes and blowing themselves up for a long time. they really do hate our ways and think we are "the great white satan." so what if we do things like promote democracy in oppressed countries and protect our business interests, what is good for america is usually good for the rest of the free world.

I'm much more inclined to believe an independent source of info than I am to believe CNN. For example, where would you go for objective steroid information? Elitefitness, an independent site, or CNN.com, a news congolmerate with obvious ulterior motives?

As far as us encouraging democratic goverments in other countries...that may be true (do you have any examples?) but I for one know we have installed many a facist regime in a country when it served corporate and govt. interests...many times leading to nothing less than genocidal slaughter.

Maybe they really do as a people believe us to be the "great white satan." I'm all for the elimination of these people, they certainly deserve death at the very least for what they did.

Primetime makes an excellent point, some want this, some want that...all I'm saying is that our foreign policy in the eyes of many has been "the greatest crime since WWII."

Maybe it finally came around and bit us in the ass in a terrible way.

I am saying if the American public as a whole were more aware of their goverment's activities domestically and abroad, then maybe some of the causitive factors could have been prevented...just like I pointed out in my other post, if there had been more awareness and more uproar over Ruby Ridge, then the FBI/ATF probably wouldn't have committed such slaughter at Waco, and in turn, Oklahoma City would not have taken place.

I'm fully aware that my posts will accomplish approximately nothing, not a one of you will objectively look at what I am trying to say, it's obvious by now.

Another point to consider is that we really, don't know even 75 percent of what's going on, I have heard this numerous times from people who's family members are in intelligence/fbi.

Anyone ever think to question why we haven't seen the evidence yet? Anyone think we ever will?

 

[chesty]

I personally can't find where some on this thread are even remotely qualified to give rhetoric.

No matter how you phrase it, all anti-war speech and protest is the same old crap.

What those people are trying to say is that they are the biggest PUSSIES in the whole world, but don't even have the guts to admit that. Instead they say stuff like make love not war, and so on.

I believe it was Winston Churchhill who said during the battle of Britain. If you are protesting this war and hampering our ability to fight and beat the Germans, then you are helping the Germans to win this war. Therefore, you are the enemy as much as those who would shoot at us.

This is true, so all of you anti-war pussies are doing nothing more than helping the terrorists to kill people and win their war against us. That makes you as much my enemy as they are.

If you want to speak out and protest great, I have no problem with that. But do not interfere with our effort to win this war or any other war in the future.

 

[Frackal]

LOL at the biggest bunch of fucking garbage I've read all day chesty...jesus...I said over and OVER that I support us fighting and eliminating 'these terrorists.'

You needn't see things in such black and white terms..."either I'm 100% with you or I'm 100% against you huuuraaaahhhhh!!"

Save it.

Just because I think that WHILE eliminating these terrorists, we should also as a nation look at what foreign policy action on our part has caused us to be hated so severly...somehow I have a hard time believing that they just hate us because we are a "beacon of freedom."

Why does questioning what my goverment does make me a traitor? Which is what you are implying.

 

[daised]

You all have good points made and i can see both sides. I personally have difficulty dealing with the taking of lives. I have said this before- i cry wheni watch er. to see so many people suffering kills me. Yet i still can not understand those who "justify" killing with killing. i don't want any 4 year old girl whether in Afganistan or The Us to come home missing a father, no matter what the situation.

 

[##spiderbaby##]

There will allways be people who fight or flight. Thats human nature. Your one or the other in most circumstances.

Of course most civil people want calm understanding from each other but terrorists are not civil people. Period.

God, I am soooo tired of trying to accept and understand those that persecute me. Its been force fed for years, give it a rest, just say "yes I want whoever did this to die and I want to help anyway that I can for the protection of my freedoms, not someone elses"

Its OK to be selfish. Its OK to kill in order for yourself to survive.
Its OK to kill to protect our way of life.

You are here because people have died in battle, all of you.


##spiderbaby##

 

[Weapon X]

Right on, Spidey!

 

[the nature boy]

Just because I think that WHILE eliminating these terrorists, we should also as a nation look at what foreign policy action on our part has caused us to be hated so severly...somehow I have a hard time believing that they just hate us because we are a "beacon of freedom."

Correct Frackal. Why do we align ourselves and financially support dictators and monarchs when we claim to be the voice of democracy? We give China so much shit about human rights violations but yet we support allies in various countries that commit the same crimes, and in some cases regimes the CIA is responsible for putting into power in the first place. This kind of hypocritical policy is a reason why the US government is disliked.



P.S. Is there anyone saying we shouldn't get Bin Ladden and his cronies? No. So what is all the arguing about? I think people don't really read what other people post here.

 

[HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex]

Just out of curiosity,do any of the peace-mongers actually believe that by not striking back that the Taliban network will cease their intense hatred of all americans,and cease hatching murderous plots against our civilians?I don't get it,someone comes over and slaughters tens of thousands of innocent people,and there's people who think that we should just'give them a scolding and move on',or 'impose further sanctions'.The taliban is a bullying,murderous sub-culture society...Their motto is,"If we want to slaughter your people,then that's our right,but you better not do anything back to us or else!"They tell their people "Don't worry about the U.S.,they don't have the courage to attack us."What a fucking joke.I hope special ops makes every single one of those sons of bitches brains see the light of day.Forget about bringing them to justice,the only good terrorist is a dead one.

 

[HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex]

No one in this thread has said that we should not strike back against Bin Laden or the terrorists. If you're talking about "peace-mongers" in general, that's different.

Actually yes,I am.I'm referring to all these fucking morons marching and protesting against military action.Un-fucking believable...

 

[manny78]

Actually yes,I am.I'm referring to all these fucking morons marching and protesting against military action.Un-fucking believable...

maybe some lazy ass cause you know like me that a normal human being is working not protesting unless they took the day off lol

 

[chesty]

I was making reference to those that say we should try to understand our enemy's reason for wanting us dead instead of exacting our revenge on them. I did not specifically name any one in particular. I made a statement that some try to have it both ways and cannot. You can either help the enemy or help your country.

I still say that anyone who will not fight is a pussy, period.

And Frack, why is it everytime someone disagrees with you you get your panties in a bunch? Relax and take dbol will ya?