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Tito Raymond, natural??

Is Tito drug free?

  • Yes, Tito is a natural!

    Votes: 9 9.5%

  • No, Tito is pumped with roids!

    Votes: 86 90.5%
  • Total voters
    95
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Im a natural bodybuilder who admire Tito's body. How many of you guys thinks he's REALLY natural??

Please as many as possible answer..

Thanx
 
I think to be deemed natural to compete in a natural contest you have to be natural for a certain amount of time not totally natural. Isn't it something like three years? Correct me if I'm wrong. So that means he could have done them in the past to put on the size but then maintained for a few years. It does require superior genetics to maintain the size but no one will ever know the truth
 
So when competing as a natural do they do random tests throughout the year, or just at the time of the contest? If that is the case then how hard can it be, quitting drugs before the competition?
 
I think he is natural . One of my friend competes in natural shows ..he s got one coming up soon . he could look like Flex if he got on some A.s (same physique and potential) . So I definetly believe tito is natural some of the signs are good skin quality , no excessive dryness from abuse of lasix . and also good proportions compared with bone mass with no freaky parts
 
Jay Cutler is natural that's why he only took second to Ronnie Coleman who did a short cycle of d-bol(100tabs) and test(10cc's)4 or 5 years ago.:mix:
 
No way ... If he was a light wieght them "MAYBE" ... But to be a middle wieght you have to hold a certian amount of size which couldn't be imagenable to me. Plus he's ripped to shreds. I can't say for sure, and niether can anyone else.

If he really is natural ... well then god bless that dude.
 
dont think so, just saw him at the recent NPC nationals and he was up there, onstage with the big boyz, came in second in his class. Earnie Taylor 6'5 275lb turned pro.
 
His girl, Amy Fahdli was at my gym on tuesday and man......she is smokin.
 
Far from natural, he's from my hometown and I know for a fact that he did a lot of juice in High School.
 
ANYTHING is possible. This guy is completely natural...
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It's most likely GH and insulin along with all kinds of other "natural" shit.
 
well I train at golds venice, and see the dude like everyday, and the other day I noticed something...........he is starting to get a mild case of puffy nipples, which is gyno, now if he was natural how could he have gyno, and you can also tell when he is using gh, cause he has these two little bumps that protrude out on his forehead........and the gyno, it is prpbably from test suspenision, the fast acting water base..........and mike ohearn is not natural either guys!
 
fuck o hearn and raymond.......these two idiots like skip la fag walk around trying to convince people they are the " real deal" cause they are natural.......EAT A DICK!!! if you're gonna juice stop pushing this crap in the magazines......and you guys gotta stop asking this dumb ass question.......OF COURSE THESE GUYS JUICE...HOW THE HELL ARE THEY SUPPOSE TO STAY COMPETITIVE IF EVERYONE AROUND THEM IS JUICING?????
 
well if your a college student like me, the membership is only 30 bucks a month, but if you are just a reg member its like 60 bucks a month plus a initiation fee......................so basically a membership for 30 bones is the best fuckin deal ever.......but the bad thing and element I hate about golds is they have coorporatized so much that there is a ballys/24 hr fitness element in there, but Im hardcore, if anyone says or does anything, I just tell them to fuck off, I have already been threatened to be kicked out of there, so now I have to watch my temper, but basically the first time I about fuckin grabbed this ignorant bastard and fucked him up, and in the process there is this trainer in there I dont like, and he was in the business, and I turned to him and said, "what are you lookin at, I dont like you either motherfucker" so like a bitch he went and told the management, luckilly Im in good with a few guys on the staff and one is the manager! This is golds in venice we are talkin about!
 
cbeaks said:
His girl, Amy Fahdli was at my gym on tuesday and man......she is smokin.
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Huh? She used to go to a gym I used to go to (Bodies in Motion Santa Monica) and we were in the same hip hop class a few times, she is NOT that hot, and Tito is fuckin' SHORT. (But still in amazing shape.)
 
Work those calves, Tito

I work out at Gold's/Venice, too, and see Tito there every day. He stays in terrific shape, and I'm sure there are times he is off-cycle, but there's no way you get that degree of muscle hardness and leanness "natural".

His MuscleMania comrade Markus Reinhardt works out there, too. Markus has remarkable genetics (very full muscle "bellies") but there's no question he goes on and off juice as well.

Seems to me these MuscleMania guys, compared to the IFBB pros, are just using SANE doses of substances, which is all to the good. They resemble the pros of the 1970s, who used juice moderately, and looked great without getting so big they looked like some mad doctor's experiment gone terrifyingly wrong.

But do you notice how they never show Tito's calves in pictures? I'm guessing he's of southern Italian extraction, like my ex-workout partner. Both of them are short, have superb genetics for bodybuilding except for those pesky calves. Tito's cover picture on last month's MuscleMag looked great except it's funny -- they cropped his calves out of the picture.:mix:

Don't want to diss the man in any way, though. He stays in awesome shape, and seems like a nice guy, though I don't know him personally.
 
Tito Raymond, natural, what???? That's what Danny Hester said to. I don't think these guys are natural, what I do think is that they take their gear in moderate dosages. Thus not giving them the gigantic look, but far from looking natural. I do think you can get a physique like the one posted above, but it takes 15yrs to aquire it when if you cycled a few times a year you could look like that in under 10 years, maybe less. Damn that was my longest run on sentence ever.

Later Jr.
 
serge said:
Earnie Taylor 6'5 275lb turned pro.
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are you sure you ain't thinking of Quincy Taylor, who recently turned pro...ernie taylor has been a pro for a few years and ain't nowhere near that tall either
 
getbig27 said:
fuck o hearn and raymond.......these two idiots like skip la fag walk around trying to convince people they are the " real deal" cause they are natural.......EAT A DICK!!! if you're gonna juice stop pushing this crap in the magazines......and you guys gotta stop asking this dumb ass question.......OF COURSE THESE GUYS JUICE...HOW THE HELL ARE THEY SUPPOSE TO STAY COMPETITIVE IF EVERYONE AROUND THEM IS JUICING?????
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LMFAO @ "Skip La Fag" hahahahahahahaha.

Also, In my heart of hearts I truely believe that Tito Raymond is 100% natural just like Dareem Charles, Mike Ohearn, "Skip La Fag" and Ronnie Coleman. My reasoning for this is that Testosterone is naturally produced in the male body, just like insulin, and gh, so they should be considered "natural" supplements...therefore they're all natural bodybuilders lol...ok enough bullshit, YES Tito and company ARE bigger juicers than the whole f'n IFBB crew. They are even worse cuz they lie and say that they're natural so they can sell worthless products to naive 13 year olds who think Mike Ohearn is some kind of natural super hero.
 
Tha One CrumCake said:
WHO THA FUCK CARES!!!!!!!
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Pros and experienced juicers don't care, of course, but young guys see Tito, Mike O'Hearn, etc. constantly on magazines and in supplement ads. I don't blame them for wondering if these bodies are produced by Cell-Tech alone.

In a perfect world everyone would be natural, but ever since bbers discovered AS, clen, GH, and all the rest (excuse me: "the professor and Mary Ann...") you can't make it onto a magazine cover without 'em.

If you want to see what REAL natural bodies look like, look at photos of bodybuilding shows from the 1950s or before. None of those guys would ever be considered for a magazine cover these days.
 
I think you all have a hard time admitting that the gene pool was pretty much dry the day some of us were there. LOL I would not be surprised if he was completely natural or just using slin and GH.

And CN1...Puffy nipples my ass...I have had puffy nipples since grade school and I wasn't juicing. You can't go by that...That's like saying everybody in the gym that has acne is juiced. You cannot tell by just looking at someone.
 
There's no way Tito is natural. Last year in Muscle and Fitness Mag, he was posted at 175 lbs (more or less). A couple of months after that, he was up to 200. Bullshit he's natural. In one of the pics of Muscle Mag, if you look closely, you can see some bloat. The signs are there that he's juicing, it's just hard to see them because although he's lean as hell, he's not that big. I would say primo/test/winny. Natural my ass.
 
I think it is weird that you can be natural even though you have taken gear, just as long as you have been clean for like three years. Different deffinition for natural isn't it. It should mean no never not ever. But not in this case huh. Oh, well more power to them all!!
 
hey AJC, you dumb fuck, let me restate it, the bastard has gyno from takin test....................dont you think a fucker who has gyno himself can notice it,,,,,,,,,let me say, at the present time tito has protruding nipples, a sign of test use..........forget the puffy nipple comment........its gyno dickhead!!!!!!
 
I SAY SKIP SHOULD CHANGE HIS NAME TO "SKIP LA FAG" AND TITO SHOULD NOW BE CALLED "TITO REFAG" THINK ABOUT IT GUYS AND LET ME KNOW WHAT YOU THINK.......LMAO!!!
 
I normally don't frequent this board and it may not be my place to talk shit....BUT....I know plenty of guys who look like that and have never juiced.....it is possible to be 200+ pounds of muscle and never touch A.S. Alot of people are just geneticly gifted.....Imagine any top Olympia contender without juice....they wouldn't be as big but they would still be pretty huge.

Step back and listen to what your saying. Tito Raymond is not a freak by any means. You guys sound like the same dumb fucks that work out for a month and aren't happy with their gains ....so they jump to juice....then they assume that if anyone else is bigger than them than they have to be hitting some serious amounts of A.S. I've been to alot of shows and I have meet alot of IFBB Pros. These guys are super human....fuckin big guys....you gotta see them in life to appreciate their size.....they make a guy like Tito Raymond look normal.
 
How can some of you guys consider taking insulin and gh as being NATURAL???????????????

Also, I think that he and his fellow Natural BB-pros are taking streroids, gh, slin etc...
They just have to be ready for a tested show (end a couple weeks out)..

/Komo
 
I saw my name mentioned on this topic and I must interject. YES I have used steroids in the past, But I have been clean for quite sometime! Come train with me and youwill see what kind of strict regime I follow. Mike Mentzer HIT has put on 20lbs of lean muscle to my frame. I am currently 3 weeks away from Musclemania 220lbs ripped. If I was juiced up, dont you think I'd be 40lbs heavy and bloated?

check me out at www.markusreinhardt.com
 
Good luck in your comp Markus. It must suck to be dieting during Thanks Giving. I'm sure you know better than anyone here....do you think any of the muscle mainia competiters are hitting juice off season? I know it doesn't matter but I'm just curious of your thoughts since you compete with these guys.

thanks
 
Well, If they do juice, which i doubt. I feel sorry for them because a natural will kick their ass (grin)
 
"If I was juiced up, dont you think I'd be 40lbs heavy and bloated?"

Hehe, not if you're on the right type of juice buddy.......but, you probably already know that:rolleyes:
 
No Markus you would not be 40lbs heavier and bloated if you juiced, actually you would be 220lbs exactly how you look now!!!!!!!!!!!! Catch what I'm saying!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Markus, get that fucking password box off the elite screen. Damn dude, you can't post links to pics of yourself from YOUR OWN MEMBERSHIP ONLY SITE!!! I didn't realize it was your site at first, I thought it was elitefitness pulling some funny shit.
 
So what your saying is, Id be 5"10 220lbs on juice? haha!
Whatever, Opinions are like assholes, we all got one. Some just stink!

You must be the guy who is 5'10 180lbs struggling to gain an once of muscle while engorging in protein shakes, training 5 days per week, with numberous sets.

Try tarining sensibly.

I train 2-3 times per week during growth season. My protein is 1.5g per KILO and double that in carbs. I use HIT.

But that is okay, there will always be that guy to point fingers at other people, because he is too lazy to get off his ass,and train correctly.
 
MarkusReinhardt said:
So what your saying is, Id be 5"10 220lbs on juice? haha!
Whatever, Opinions are like assholes, we all got one. Some just stink!

You must be the guy who is 5'10 180lbs struggling to gain an once of muscle while engorging in protein shakes, training 5 days per week, with numberous sets.

Try tarining sensibly.

I train 2-3 times per week during growth season. My protein is 1.5g per KILO and double that in carbs. I use HIT.

But that is okay, there will always be that guy to point fingers at other people, because he is too lazy to get off his ass,and train correctly.
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If you really are who you say you are, how can you say you're natural when you have used gear in the past and now you're just maintaining! BTW I also use the exact regime that you use ie HIT 3 times per week and I eat well and lots of it so don't try and say that just because someone questions your credibility that they are jealous, cos it's more like they just can't stand guys who are hypocrites!
 
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I saw my name mentioned on this topic and I must interject. YES I have used steroids in the past, But I have been clean for quite sometime! Come train with me and youwill see what kind of strict regime I follow. Mike Mentzer HIT has put on 20lbs of lean muscle to my frame. I am currently 3 weeks away from Musclemania 220lbs ripped. If I was juiced up, dont you think I'd be 40lbs heavy and bloated?
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I said to all ive used before.... and now Im maintaining?

Like I said we all have opinions.
 
It's obvious that tito got his results from...

Xenadrine! When people take this amazing product, the fat just MELTS off their bodies and drips all over the floor, causing people to slip in it and get it on their clothes. Also, even though it is just a basic ECA stack, it causes people to gain approximately 60 pounds of muscle in only two months! No shit! If you don't beleive me, just check out the amazing pics in the almighty Muscletech publication: Muscle Magazine (which, by the way, is the most creative name i have ever heard for a, um, muscle magazine). You too, can take Xenadrine and become ripped to the bone in a matter of weeks (diet and exercise optional). Hmmm, have you ever noticed that MuscleTech not only writes raving reviews of Xenadrine in their excellent magazine, but also (you won't beleive this) PRODUCE Xenadrine in their own factories? In fact, Xenadrine is their own patent. No wonder it is so amazing! It has it's own magazine to promote it! Oh well, enough of that.

Gyno is not necessarrily from roids. I got it, and i never touched juice. When your natural testosterone is very high, it can convert to estrogen, it's that simple.

GH and insuline are not considered "juice" because there is no way to detect it in drug tests, and therefore no way whatsoever to prove whether the person has ever used them.

By the way, if i were to ever use illegal techniques to help me in bodybuilding, i would definately choose GH and insulin. That's because my natural testosterone is already overflowing (much of it into my nipples), and because GH and insulin are not detectable. They are also very powerful and effective for growth. Also, if i had the guts to, i'd probably use DNP.

Just thought i'd tell everyone.
 

You must be the guy who is 5'10 180lbs struggling to gain an once of muscle while engorging in protein shakes, training 5 days per week, with numberous sets.

Dude, I am 5'7" 228 at 6.8%. I am telling you NO ONE above lightweight at national level is clean. I compete with them I talk to them, Hell I get gear from them. It is the way it is. There is always some asshole who says he is natural when everyone knows he is not. the part I do not get is................Why who cares!

I judge shows too. You have a nice structure with nice muccle bellies But i do not for a minute believe you are clean. Winny is out of your system in 5 days GH can't be tested for Hell you can do 200+ mgs a week of test and test negative.

And even if you are (which I doubt) why even talk about it. Natural guys always are bitching and complaining about people that use gear. We do not care about natural guys. If you want to be clean ....cool. Leave me alone to my business though. And if i whip your ass in a show ( especially a national one) SHUT UP! No test = no bitching There is always one guy bucking to get in the market to make cash by saying he is clean. WHATEVER!
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getbig27 said:
fuck o hearn and raymond.......these two idiots like skip la fag walk around trying to convince people they are the " real deal" cause they are natural.......EAT A DICK!!! if you're gonna juice stop pushing this crap in the magazines......and you guys gotta stop asking this dumb ass question.......OF COURSE THESE GUYS JUICE...HOW THE HELL ARE THEY SUPPOSE TO STAY COMPETITIVE IF EVERYONE AROUND THEM IS JUICING?????
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word to the mother.............:)
 
NATURAL TESTOSTERONE!

mike ohearn is not natural tito raymond is not natural 98% of the people in musclemania shows are not natural! these natural dickheads think that as long as they take test gh and slin its ok because they naturally occur in the body.that all it is they just dont take decs and primos or winny. but they take a shitload of test slin and gh,hell they even throw in some hcg. these fuckin natural guys now you cant test for testosterone you can only check for an unusually high amount in the urine. you can stop 500mgs of test a week and test clean 9 wks later. natural guys are punks who cant hack it in the npc there tryin to make a name for themselves and there no better than any of us.MY FAVORITE LINE FROM THEM IS ALWAYS" WELL IF I TOOK ROIDS ID BE AS BIG AS RONNIE COLEMAN!" THATS WHEN YOU LOOK THEM RIGHT IN THE EYE AND SLAP THE MUSCLE MEDIA MAGAZINE OUT OF THIER FUCKIN HAND AND SAY "GEE TESTOSTERONE GH AND SLIN THAT IS WHAT THE PROS TAKE YOU FUCKIN MORON!" THERE ALL PUNK HYPOCRITES!
 
Re: NATURAL TESTOSTERONE!

vegeta#1 said:
mike ohearn is not natural tito raymond is not natural 98% of the people in musclemania shows are not natural! these natural dickheads think that as long as they take test gh and slin its ok because they naturally occur in the body.that all it is they just dont take decs and primos or winny. but they take a shitload of test slin and gh,hell they even throw in some hcg. these fuckin natural guys now you cant test for testosterone you can only check for an unusually high amount in the urine. you can stop 500mgs of test a week and test clean 9 wks later. natural guys are punks who cant hack it in the npc there tryin to make a name for themselves and there no better than any of us.MY FAVORITE LINE FROM THEM IS ALWAYS" WELL IF I TOOK ROIDS ID BE AS BIG AS RONNIE COLEMAN!" THATS WHEN YOU LOOK THEM RIGHT IN THE EYE AND SLAP THE MUSCLE MEDIA MAGAZINE OUT OF THIER FUCKIN HAND AND SAY "GEE TESTOSTERONE GH AND SLIN THAT IS WHAT THE PROS TAKE YOU FUCKIN MORON!" THERE ALL PUNK HYPOCRITES!
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LMAO....So true!
 
Fuck ...you people who say anyone like that is natural and competing in above light weights is funny. Once you get to a certain point in training you DEFINATELY know whos on. Unless were talkin about soem 140 lb .lol freak who desent eat any calories and is doing a gram of test...well we still can tell by his strenght. LOL LIKE QUADSWEEPER SAID WHO THE FUCK CARES.
 
That show on the discovery channel was rediculous. Even the two teen bodybuilders they showed were obviously juiced. The asian looking guy that went from being a "gangbanger" to bodybuilder also went from being 140 lbs to 210ish in a matter of a couple years. I have nothing against natural guys, but I dont think they should try and proclaim they are better than everyone else or use it as an excuse.
 
That show on the discovery channel was rediculous. Even the two teen bodybuilders they showed were obviously juiced. The asian looking guy that went from being a "gangbanger" to bodybuilder also went from being 140 lbs to 210ish in a matter of a couple years. I have nothing against natural guys, but I dont think they should try and proclaim they are better than everyone else or use it as an excuse.
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That was Stan Mcquay. Where did you get 210ish? Hes 5'7". He competes at 176 or so ,and doesnt get much heavier in the off season. He may drop 10 or 12 pounds during his comp preperation. He stays lean year round. I agree he is obviously juicing ,but I dont think hes up to 210 yet even in the off season.


soshesblowinme
 
NOT A CHANCE...

He's from my hometown and trust me he's not natural at all... he used to work for my buddy who's a juice head like us and he said tito juiced -hard! so from what i've heard from very reliable sources -he's on the sauce!
 
Bullshit your natural Marcus, haha. Ive seen enough high caliber physiques, both natural and juiced to know the diff.

The funny thing is the only people your fooling are young naive kids or bone headadults that know nothing about the sport, your not fooling anyone "in the know" or on this board.

You said you juiced 3 -4 years ago. How much did you weigh then? my guess is 220, right? and what do you weigh now? hmm somethings funny here.
 
I dislike the whole "natural" training thing... because you can still give yourself one hell of an advantage with "natural" medications, hormones, etc.

I think Tito could be that large if he trained correctly from his early teens until now, provided he had the correct genetics. But if he only started lifting in his late teens, then I would suspect gear played some part in his physique.

I sort of wish there were a third class for bodybuilders, where competitors took sane doseages of steroids. If there are tests that can detect recreational drugs years after use, then there must be something for steroids and performance enhancing drugs too.

Or even better, a class where bodybuilders took exactly the same doseages of exactly the same drugs to level the playing field. Yes, the genetic freaks would reign, but it would be more sportsmanlike.

I dunno... just dreaming I guess...
 
cheesePuss said:
I normally don't frequent this board and it may not be my place to talk shit....BUT....I know plenty of guys who look like that and have never juiced.....it is possible to be 200+ pounds of muscle and never touch A.S. Alot of people are just geneticly gifted.....Imagine any top Olympia contender without juice....they wouldn't be as big but they would still be pretty huge.

Step back and listen to what your saying. Tito Raymond is not a freak by any means. You guys sound like the same dumb fucks that work out for a month and aren't happy with their gains ....so they jump to juice....then they assume that if anyone else is bigger than them than they have to be hitting some serious amounts of A.S. I've been to alot of shows and I have meet alot of IFBB Pros. These guys are super human....fuckin big guys....you gotta see them in life to appreciate their size.....they make a guy like Tito Raymond look normal.
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you're right, it isn't your place to talk shit, so SHUT the FUCK up!! lol

We have heard from real pros, not from you and your friends(who probably juice behind your back anyway). Tito juices, get over it! Yes, the IFBB pros dwarf tito, he is probably doing 1/4 of the shit they are on. I don't see why people are so defensive or idolize these pros who claim to be natural. They are a sham and not honest enough to admit they juice, I mean look, even Markus can only admit he has done it in the past. :rolleyes:
 
BigAndy69 said:
I beleive you need to be clean for a year or a year and a half, I'm not sure.
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Why are you kidding yourself ? Detection time on suspension is next to nothing... he could have been clean for 3 weeks... but still running gh and slin during the show.
 
torrro said:
Im a natural bodybuilder who admire Tito's body. How many of you guys thinks he's REALLY natural??

Please as many as possible answer..

Thanx
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I hate to judge someone when I dont know for sure, but if I were to guess my answer would be "no way!!!".
 
A 2001 thread resurfaces! I comete at a national level and most lightweight are fucking LOADED! So a person getting 2nd at full blown nationals in middleweights being clean.....it could happen...but I doubt it. Great selling point though.

Q.
 
I saw this threa pop up on profile and I laughed out loud, this shit is old school. I think Edgar Fletcher was still competing when this thread started.
 
steelmass said:
Why are you kidding yourself ? Detection time on suspension is next to nothing... he could have been clean for 3 weeks... but still running gh and slin during the show.
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Its actually undectable I believe. They detect the use with the test/epitest ratio and total test. Obviously beatable if you tweak things a bit.
 
neo1605 said:
Far from natural, he's from my hometown and I know for a fact that he did a lot of juice in High School.
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I would have to agree with this statement...I grew up in the next town over...during high school we had a few mutual friends.
 
I'll listen to this guy.
Quadsweep said:
A 2001 thread resurfaces! I comete at a national level and most lightweight are fucking LOADED! So a person getting 2nd at full blown nationals in middleweights being clean.....it could happen...but I doubt it. Great selling point though.

Q.
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