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Tired of freaking lifting debates

Hiatussin

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I just started lifting again after a 2 year break. I´m 19 now.

I let the discussions get to me a bit too much in HS and i became kind of paranoid, you know, am i not wasting my time training x way... its very demotivating.

Then I saw all the pinheads who trained a certain way because of "what it does to your black blood cells and how it expands your ribcage and how which kind of curl brings out which part of the bicep" and other anti-medical crap. I´m a med student and would explain to them how these systems dont even exist and they´d mock me since they were bigger than me.

I guess what really kept me from succeeding was a lack of motivation itself.

There´s always some idiot with good genes and good motivation, who has the results that he accredits to some theory he can´t even spell.

My old gym was a hardcore gym. A few high level BB´ers there, getting trained by a woman who used to compete, a complete idiot. She´d worn her body out she had serious scoliosis, looked like a man or a eunuch of some sort and looked like a dry raisin at about 50. She wore one of these superstitious magnetic healing necklaces and took it very serious. She put these guys on no-fat diets and silly crap.

All this bullshit like should you move slow or fast, should you isolate or compound, should you be smooth or explosive, can you change the shape as well or only the size of a muscle... etc etc

each of these debates SUCKS and bugs me. I´m through paying any attention to them.


Compound explosive movements are the most fun and that will be what I stick by. I have a big build, I have shoe size 15, stand about 6"5. I didn´t touch a weight in 2 years, lived off pizza, candy bars and beer.

I can deadlift 320 lbs, bench the 55 lbs dumbbells for sets of 10 and do the seated lat pulldowns with 200 lbs. there´s lots of stories about freaks on forums like this but I think that´s good natural strength. Keep in mind I did not do any sports or lifting and ate poorly for 2 years. Thing is, I´m pessimist. I can see myself plateau-ing very soon again.

I just want to ask- Unless you´re a pro, eating down to the gram, never missing sleep, never drinking, never miss a workout- Does it really fucking matter if you do sets of 10 or 12 reps? Whether you do hammer curls or normal curls? What´s the point in philosophizing about these things. The most succesful lifters Ive seen have always been clueless idiots who do well because they don´t think about this stuff and just LIFT

end rant.
 
Hiatussin said:
I can deadlift 320 lbs, bench the 55 lbs dumbbells for sets of 10 and do the seated lat pulldowns with 200 lbs. there´s lots of stories about freaks on forums like this but I think that´s good natural strength.

Heh. I wouldn't go around telling too many people about your freaky natural strength....ah, wait, you just did.... :FRlol: Sorry, couldn't resist.

Hiatussin said:
I just want to ask- Unless you´re a pro, eating down to the gram, never missing sleep, never drinking, never miss a workout- Does it really fucking matter if you do sets of 10 or 12 reps? Whether you do hammer curls or normal curls? What´s the point in philosophizing about these things. The most succesful lifters Ive seen have always been clueless idiots who do well because they don´t think about this stuff and just LIFT
end rant.

On a more serious note, genetics, diet, form, sets and reps aside, there's something to be said about WORK ETHIC .

Think: Where would you be now, had you not given up lifting for a totally pointless reason? The guy who is as dumb as a sack of anvils, but hits the gym every day he's supposed to, may not be able to even spell worth ethic, but can sure be an example of it.
 
The main thing is to be consistent, which is why you'll see all those idiots making gains for some time. They stick to it, and eventually they get something right and they grow. Could they have gotten there more quickly? Most likely.

There's no reason to worry about rep-ranges much. Here's what you do if you want to grow: increase the amount of weight you're lifting in the core lifts in a non-neural rep-range. This means train with three or more reps (lower mainly trains neural efficiency), preferably 3-10, and increase strength for that number of reps.

OHP 100 lbs. for 5 reps? Work on getting that up to 135 lbs. for 5 reps. If you do that, while eating a caloric excess, you'll be bigger. End of story. Keep it all very simple. Get stronger while eating enough, and you'll grow. You'll be stronger. Lift the concentric portion explosively and you'll help increase your force production somewhat (though there are better methods to maximizing this, it will help you on your way).

Even if you were a pro, this would likely be the best way to do things. Isolation movements are good to use once you've achieved your foundation and want to tweak certain things, or maybe get some sarcoplasmic hypertrophy going.
 
Base your routines around:
Squats
Deadlifts
Bench Press
Standing OHP
Rows

...and you will go far.

Wasn't it Cornholio/The Shadow who once said "Everything Works. Nothing works for long."
 
I didn't understand it either.. I wear size 15 shoe also.. Where do you buy yours? I absolutely hate shoe stores they never have my size in what I want!
 
cyrex said:
I didn't understand it either.. I wear size 15 shoe also.. Where do you buy yours? I absolutely hate shoe stores they never have my size in what I want!

I wear a 16 and order mine through Big and Tall. Mostly New Balance.

Getting them through a store is a dream that I used to have many years ago as a kid...lol
 
I kinda see were your coming from. I had my bitter moments too, untill some one told me to "shut up and lift". Just go to the gym and work out.
 
plrpower said:
I kinda see were your coming from. I had my bitter moments too, untill some one told me to "shut up and lift". Just go to the gym and work out.
i think this is the best advice you could get. i'd like to add to that though: "shutup and read EF". :)
 
The minutiae will kill you. And guys who lift weights tend to have egos, which makes them feel like an authority on everything related to weight training. So, everybody is very cocky and feels free to say, "Eight reps is the way to go," or, "You'll never gain unless you do X lift." Etc. Truth is, like Madcow says over and over, stick to the basics. Get the big stuff right and don't sweat the other 5%.
 
MikeMartial said:
Heh. I wouldn't go around telling too many people about your freaky natural strength....ah, wait, you just did.... :FRlol: Sorry, couldn't resist.

seriously a lot of guys who dont lift or exercise and eat poorly are stronger than that? I seem to be stronger than the others in my gym, and some are kinda buff
 
Hiatussin, you need to stop focusing on everyone else and turn the focus 100% on you. Who cares what other people in the gym are doing, what one trainer is telling the other members. You seem to be way to concened about the other members in the gym. if someone is blessed with good genetics, so what, ton't make that an excuse not to lift, let it go and focus on yourself.

Concentrare on you and your lifts, stick with it and you will make progress.
 
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